Commons:Deletion requests/Image:HLHimmler.jpg again

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Image:HLHimmler.jpg

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See Commons:Deletion requests/Image:HLHimmler.jpg for an earlier deletion debate about an image with the same name. I don't know whether that one was about the very same image. Lupo 11:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1. Who is Mr. Giles? Probably not the copyright holder. 2. Image may have special status in the U.S., but is copyrighted in Germany until 70 years p.m.a. 3. Where's the OTRS ticket?  Delete Lupo 11:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geoffrey Giles, the holder of the copryight, who provided the pic, so he owns it, his pic. He gave me permission, but with attribution so it can stay. --Poirot 17:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Owning a copy of an image doesn't mean one owns the copyright. Mr. Giles is a still living professor in the U.S., he certainly didn't take this image himself. (He was born in the early 1950s—see his CV: primary school from 1958 - 1965.) It's image #45293 at the USHMM: a 1939 German calendar photo shot by the Conrad studios in Berlin. Lupo 09:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


He holds the coopyright to the original. He allowed the use. --Poirot 10:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not convinced that you understand the concept of copyright. Thuresson 13:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Technically it is legally possible for Giles to have secured the rights to those images, you can purchase copyrights. Madmax32 19:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You can't purchase copyrights because you can't sell, give away or barter copyrights, that's my understanding of German copyright law. Thuresson 03:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hugo Jaegar sold his collection of color photographs to time life pictures in the 1970s, and they now claim copyright on those images, it is possible to sell or give unlimited rights to use images.Madmax32 14:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So it can stay ! --Edgar Allan Poe 16:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He didn't sell his copyright, he probably sold an unlimited right for Time Life to use the photos within certain limits. Thuresson 22:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Time Life pictures owns the copyright in the USA at least, [1], the photos say (c) time life pictures, btw there is no proof Geoffrey Giles gave permission to use his photos, but I am just pointing out it is possible for him own the copyright Madmax32 22:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I akesd mr. Gilles, and he owns the copryights and he allowed the pic of Himmler for use on commons, but with attribution. I also asked for Goebbels but seeing that this is not yeat cleared, I wont upload Goebbels until thi is cleared. unfortunately I deleted the mail, well, the computer did when the HD broke, but I ot permission. --Edgar Allan Poe 11:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Always these hard disks … unfortunately “for use on commons” is not enough. --Polarlys 12:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SO what should I do ? --Edgar Allan Poe 12:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We need a permission from someone who is the copyright holder to use Mr. Himmler everywhere, also with commercial intent and pink rabbit ears. --Polarlys 12:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to browse for the mail, and if not I will ask mir. Gilles to send me the permission again. I think that that is OK ? --Edgar Allan Poe 19:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Gilles sent the mail, do not know if it was recived by you or not, but tell here. I am removing the tapmplate. If the mail has not been sent put the request template back on the pic. --Edgar Allan Poe 12:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete This is an easy case: Mr Gilles was not th person who took the photo. So he is not the copyright holder, h only holds rights to use it. The copyright holder or his heirs could give us the permission. Mr Gilles can't. --ALE! ¿…? 20:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

deleted (not PD in Germany) --ALE! ¿…? 20:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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