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Category:American actors of German descent[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:American people of German descent and a subcategory of Category:American actors.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:03, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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American actors of Peruvian descent[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:American people of Peruvian descent, Category:Hispanic and Latino American actors, and a subcategory of Category:American actors.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:03, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aircraft manufactured by the United States[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There appears to be a possible consensus for renaming all similar categories, but there is less support for renaming just one of them. So I am closing this as "no consensus" without prejudice to an immediate group nomination of all such categories. If it really is the intent to rename all the by-country subcats of Category:Aircraft by country, then they should all be discussed together.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:28, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Do countries make airplanes? If this is successful, there may be more like named categories to be dealt with. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:33, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename while some aircraft might by manufactured by governments, most are manufactured by prive companies.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • do not rename There is no indication anywhere that the country name here implies that the government is doing the manufacturing. The country is more than just government. Same with all its sibling categories. Also, looking at the template here, the population of these categories may be something else, namely: 'Aircraft by nationality of original manufacturer'. Hmains (talk) 20:24, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • 'By' clearly implies that the government is the manufacturer. If this is intended to be for companies in a country, then the proposed form makes this fact clear and unambiguous. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:10, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't agree that US means US Government. If US government were meant, then government would be explict. And in any case, it does not address this problem. If the contents were using the template title Aircraft by nationality of original manufacturer as the method of inclusion, then this should be made explicit. There is a difference beween a model first manufactured in the US and a model first manufactured elsewhere and subsequently manufactured by or in the US. This entire country category tree seems to be based on 'first manufactured', not manufactured 'at some time'. Also, the parent category is Category:Aircraft by country, and its 59 subcats are all in the 'by foo' format. Hmains (talk) 03:08, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on principal that the United States is no different then the other 60 odd categories in this Category:Aircraft by country tree all of which use "by the". MilborneOne (talk) 11:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename all in Category:Aircraft by country. Aircraft manufactured by US (or any other country) clearly implies that it is the government making these planes and the majority in the categories are not made by the government. Ravendrop 03:15, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment 'in' I can accept without the presumption that 'by' meant or implied that the government made them, but 'first manufactured in' would be better and probably more correct. Hmains (talk) 03:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Protestant victims of Nazism and Category:Catholic people executed by Nazi Germany[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:People killed by Nazi Germany. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I propose renaming the following categories for consistency:
Currently: Category:Protestant victims of Nazism
Currently: Category:Catholic people executed by Nazi Germany

I am not sure which wording is "better" or more popular (hopefully we'll find out), but I strongly believe they should be consistent, i.e. either both are "... victims of Nazism" or both are "... people executed by Nazi Germany". I see no reason for discrepant category titling in this case. Quis separabit? 23:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • People executed by is a better form in my view. It makes it clear what we are talking about, "victims" is too unclear.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:40, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Foo people executed by per JPL. Benkenobi18 (talk) 05:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to "Protestants/Catholics executed by Nazi Germany" as "people" is implied in the construction. Mangoe (talk) 21:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment Question to interested editors: I cannot find a similar category for Jewish people killed by the Nazis. Is there one? Hmains (talk) 20:32, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge both to Category:People killed by Nazi Germany. In a random sampling of about 30% of the articles in each category (and the non-random checking of the one with "pastor" as part of the title) I found none that stated that it was specifically the person's being Catholic or Protestant that led to their deaths. Most of them were resistance fighters or political rivals. Many make no mention outside of their categories that the subjects were of any particular religion at all. The relevant policy is I believe Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality which states in part "Do not create categories that are a cross-section of a topic with an ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation, unless these characteristics are relevant to the topic." Since the articles do not support the idea that these two cross-sections of religion and "killed by Nazi Germany" are relevant the categories should be merged to the parent. If the categories are kept then they should be renamed to "Catholics/Protestants killed by Nazi Germany" to match the parent. But again, they shouldn't be kept. Buck Winston (talk) 21:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge per Buck Winston's argument. On further consideration I support upmerge. in general we do not merge executed by and religion cats.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Beer brands[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename "in" to "of". - jc37 20:59, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Was tried as a speedy under C2C to match the majority in Category:Beer brands. The speedy was opposed with the argument that Country related should use country name. So either we rename these to match the others or we rename the others to match these. Another option offered in the oppose was a rename to Category:Beer brands from foo. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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American actors of Austrian descent[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:American people of Austrian descent and a subcategory of Category:American actors.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:03, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Sikar[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Chu86happychu 18:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Songs written by Priyanka Chopra[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category with one song? BollyJeff | talk 17:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
NB. The above post was from me, WP logged me out. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:05, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Priyanka Chopra songs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:34, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A category with one entry?!? BollyJeff | talk 17:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists relating to the Philippine presidency[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename - If the contents change (such as if the lists are merged), this can obviously be revisited at CfD. - jc37 20:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The category consists solely of lists of Presidents of the Philippines, so the simpler name more clearly describes its contents. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Adriatic Sea basin[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The established tree structure is "Drainage basins of Foo". Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:38, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Operator topologies[edit]

Relisted to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 October 30 - jc37 20:56, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Presidents of the Autonomous Regional Government of the Azores[edit]

Relisted to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 October 30 - jc37 20:56, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Trials in England[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus to rename. - jc37 20:51, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The jurisdiction of English law is England and Wales. Tim! (talk) 06:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- The precise venue for a trial is determined by the court service, and could mean that a trial of a crime that happened in Wales took place in England or vice versa. There is a single legal jurisdiction covering both countries, so that the target is much better. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:26, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support without prejudice to create a Wales cat, should a slew of articles of notable trials in Wales (pre-English invasion) are created. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- Comment:The category appears to be of trials in a particular location (England) at any time, and a possible Category:Trials in Wales would apply to all periods not just “pre-invasion” Wales. So I favour keeping the Category:Trials in England, to apply to all trials in England whatever the period.
  • Likewise Category:Trials in Scotland applies to those held under laws of the present Scottish Parliament, laws passed by Westminster for Scotland, and laws of the Kingdom of Scotland. And trials held now in Scotland under any United Kingdom laws which apply in Scotland. The Pan Am Flight 103 bombing trial was before a Scottish court but it was sitting in the Netherlands, so it is classed as a trial in the Netherlands. Some of the charges were of violating Scottish law, but the Aviation Security Act 1982 is United Kingdom law.
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Category:Megacoasters[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This type of roller coaster is more commonly referred to as a Hypercoaster. The category would also match the name of the article, Hypercoaster. Astros4477 (talk) 02:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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