Wikipedia:Simple talk

Simple talk
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Unsure how to revert

I'm seeing some gross vandalism on Toontown Online that I don't even want to repeat from "Lua error in package.lua at line 80" and am honestly not sure how to revert it. This isn't really my expertise. - MourningRainfall 🐺🇨🇦 (talk) 07:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

nvm - MourningRainfall 🐺🇨🇦 (talk) 08:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@MourningRainfall If that happens again, try purging the cache as it has worked in the past for many users.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 08:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Alright, will do. Thanks. - MourningRainfall 🐺🇨🇦 (talk) 08:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I've noticed this is present on some other pages as well, such as Banana republic, General semantics, and Inclusive disjunction - I found these by googling the unique part of the message. Trying another browser and purging my cache doesn't get rid of it in these instances. Walllable (talk) 05:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Some moron weeks ago decided to edit a module that caused this. You can remove the error by making a dummy edit, by pressing “edit” on that page and then “publish changes”. It should clear the error.

Note that it may not work for users on mobile due to a different UI, but making any edit on that page should remove it. Cyclonical (talk) 06:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Some suggestions for beginners

Hello everybody! I have a plan to rewrite some articles from Standard English Wikipedia to Simple English Wikipedia. I’m a bit worried about the copyrights because I’m using the content, images, and sources from the English Wikipedia article, just simplifying the words. Do you have any suggestions for me? Thank you very much! Hanoifun (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hanoifun One thing I'll recommend is linking to the EN revision rewritten on the article's talk page to avoid any attribution. An easy way to do this is by using Template:Translated page.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 09:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

You can also use Special:ContentTranslation, with English as a source for Simple English. Everything will be covered, from attribution to reusing citations, etc. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Welcome, @Hanoifun. You might like to look at this list I maintain of ways that Simple English Wikipedia is different from other Wikipedias. The list is not a policy or guideline, but it links to some relevant policies and guidelines. If you have any questions about the list or anything on it, leave a message on my talk page. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I believe we give our fellow Wikieditors credit with the translation template: {{translated|en|[En's title]|version=######}} and by putting the "oldid=######" from the page history in the change description. At least that's how I do it. The policy is WP:TA. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't know the policy, but when I use a translation for creating a Simple English Wikipedia article, I check the original sourced material. This prevents omitting or including references that are inappropriate (e.g., when editing a translation, the content for which a reference was given in the source Wikipedia article might not remain in one's Simple English article; or the original article might simply be in error with its citation). Going to the original source one is citing is standard practice in academic research and publishing. Kdammers (talk) 14:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Help needed simplifying...

Hello, I recently broight over Who put Bella in the Wych Elm? from EnWp. It is aboutr an unresolved death in England of the 1940s. I started with some simplification work, but likely more is needed, so if any of you get a monent, and find the subject interesting, please help simplify. As a bonus: the BBC did a podcast, of 5 episodes each on the case, which seems to be well known.. Eptalon (talk) 17:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Help with reading flow?

Hello, I recently found the article Samlesbury witches and though that it would probably be good for DYK hooks. I do however think that 'reading flow' is not really there, and in geneal the article is tiring to read. Would appreaciate help improving it, if anyone has time. The which Trial is somewhat unusual, because it happened in the 15th or 16th century,likely at the height of the "witch craze", but these women were acquitted (while on the same day, others were sentenced to be hanged or burnt alive. Anyway, if anyone is interested in helping, feel free... Eptalon (talk) 17:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The final text of the Wikimedia Movement Charter is now on Meta

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language

Hi everyone,

The final text of the Wikimedia Movement Charter is now up on Meta in more than 20 languages for your reading.

What is the Wikimedia Movement Charter?

The Wikimedia Movement Charter is a proposed document to define roles and responsibilities for all the members and entities of the Wikimedia movement, including the creation of a new body – the Global Council – for movement governance.

Join the Wikimedia Movement Charter “Launch Party”

Join the “Launch Party” on June 20, 2024 at 14.00-15.00 UTC (your local time). During this call, we will celebrate the release of the final Charter and present the content of the Charter. Join and learn about the Charter before casting your vote.

Movement Charter ratification vote

Voting will commence on SecurePoll on June 25, 2024 at 00:01 UTC and will conclude on July 9, 2024 at 23:59 UTC. You can read more about the voting process, eligibility criteria, and other details on Meta.

If you have any questions, please leave a comment on the Meta talk page or email the MCDC at [email protected].

On behalf of the MCDC,

RamzyM (WMF) 08:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

"Nitazenes", yes. "a nitazine", no

When one has (say) two different Nitazenes - that does not mean that there is such a things as a Nitazene.--Suggestion: delete the (wrongful) Nitazene-redirect that i started today.

If someone (else), starts the article about a chemical compound called Nitazene, then that is a different story.--And just cuz I started the article List of benzimidazole opioids, back in the day - i am not going to ask anyone to Kiss the ring.--If this post was helpful, then fine.--(Not sure that i will recheck this post, since i will be busy fixing other articles.) Have a great day. 2001:2020:30D:D58A:5012:18BA:3E15:70CF (talk) 20:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

We do try to mirror the English Wikipedia. The page should stay mirroring that project as a redirect. Operator873 ^connect 20:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

We do not do, everything En-wiki does.--"Your" redirect, is implying that any Benzamidole opiod, is (a) Nitazene.--That is a falsehood.--The Simple solution is that there is No redirect from to Nitazene.--Not sure that i will be back to this thread to get presented with wiki-lawyering et cetera; i expect to be busy fixing articles.--Have a wiki-lucky day! 2001:2020:30D:D58A:4CC6:D7BC:132D:353F (talk) 20:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)/ 2001:2020:30D:D58A:5012:18BA:3E15:70CF

"Edit this template"

Hi! This is not urgent, not even that important, but it may be a simple fix. Can anybody take a look at Module talk:Navbar, please? The module itself is protected, only admins can change it, but every editor is welcome (and encouraged) to share their opinion on the talk page. :-) ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 11:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello everyone!

Hi, I just wanted to know what can I do here and how is it different from the normal Wikipedia, where I cannot edit? 82.219.17.18 (talk) 12:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Welcome! Simple English Wikipedia is a more simplified version of the normal English Wikipedia. The words in articles are simpler and are based off of BASIC English, which makes them easier to read. I've put a welcome message on your page so that you can visit some links to get started here. Cyclonical (talk) 16:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Articles should have simple grammar as well as simple vocabulary. Kdammers (talk) 17:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hoaxy (Russia-in-Hawaii and in Calif.)?

"Russian America ... included some fortifications, such as Fort Ross in California and four other forts (including Russian Fort Elizabeth) located in Hawaii".--I have some familiarity with "Old-Russia-in-Alaska thingy", but this other stuff, i am handing this over for your second opinion.--Next time, i will use the talk page of the article, as we are supposed to. 2001:2020:351:A0E6:38C6:6C1A:A581:4776 (talk) 18:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)/ 2001:2020:351:A0E6:38C6:6C1A:A581:4776 (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Russia did have forts in a few other places - Fort Ross in California and a fort on the south coast of Kauai. The one in the Hawaiian islands was there in the early 19th century, and is currently administered by the US National Park Service as Russian Fort Elizabeth State Historical Park (I'd be amazed if that link lights up blue). Antandrus (talk) 22:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Here is the enwiki link - w:Russian Fort Elizabeth. (Russians in Hawaii; who knew, right?) Antandrus (talk) 22:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot - user:Antandrus. i have copied "your" text, and transferred that to the talk page of the first-linked article. 2001:2020:343:BCE3:1D3E:C859:3B2C:917C (talk) 03:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Automatically linking information from Wikidata

Hello everyone, I have been working on English and Arabic wikipedia for a long time, I found a thing in Arabic wikipedia that if an article starts with the name of the infographic template, it automatically fills the infographic with information from wikipedia without any other information. In this case, they use a template like {{#استدعاء:بطاقة|تركيب|وحدة=تحكم}}google translate: {{#call:card|composition|module=disipline}} in the infographic template. As it did in ar:قالب:بطاقة تعليق. If you only put the name of the template in the article in Arabic Wikipedia, even if you don't give any other information, it will shoe because it automatically collects information from Wikidata, such as ar:علم الحيوان at the beginning of the article [[:ar:Template:بطاقة التعليم]] The template is installed without any other information, but it automatically shows the information about the wikipedia article. If you provide additional information, it will be combined with the information from Wikidata. No other wikis have this feature. Not even on the English wiki. Can simple english Wikipedia do this? 103.230.104.26 (talk) 03:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

it would really be nice, but I don't know if our templates currently support it Eptalon (talk) 11:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

It's based on whether or not the individual template has been setup to take information from WikiData. So, yes, it could be done, but most templates don't do this. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Project Gutenberg

Is project Gutenberg a reliable source? It contains e-books. Thanks CactusMunch ^{Yum o.o} 04:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Cactus0rme: Probably not PG itself, but the books on it could be. I just poked around and found Template:Gutenberg, which is for citing books at PG. Of course, we'd want to be sure the book being cited is reliable, just as with any other source.

Thanks for being the reason I learned something today! -- Auntof6 (talk) 05:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, Thank you an no problem CactusMunch ^{Yum o.o} 07:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Formatting dates

In British English, it is usual to put dates in this order: dd/mm/yyyy. In American English, it is usual to put dates in this order: mm/dd/yyyy. Do we have a standard that prefers one or the other? Or is it like spelling, in which the topic "dictates" the style? I ask in particular reference to an article about an American poet (Elinor Wylie) in which the month-first (i.e., American) format was changed. That is, neither priority nor topic were given priority. Kdammers (talk) 17:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kdammers: Either of the all-numeric formats can be ambiguous if both numbers are 12 or less, so it's best to avoid the all-numeric formats where possible. MOS:DATE gives examples where the month is spelled out, and also gives guidance on formatting dates. I don't see where a date was changed in the article you link. In the case of specifying dates in template parameters, the templates often specify how to do it.

If that doesn't address your question, please give more specifics. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 This is the edit where someone changed the date format: Special:Diff/4848769. 166.107.163.111 (talk) 21:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure why Rus793 did that. The subject is American, so I would think the mdy format should be used. Maybe Rus will reply here. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and changed these as there really is no reason for an American subject article to have British date formats, That and Rus hasn't edited since 2017 so we'd have a long wait for an answer :-), Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 00:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Auntof6 referred to MOS:DATE. I found the relevant passage there: 'Strong national ties to a topic: An article on a topic with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the more common date format for that nation. For example, it may be more suitable to use the '14 February 1990' format in an article about a person from the United Kingdom, and 'February 14, 1990' in one about an event that happened in the United States.' Kdammers (talk) 14:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding languages

In the corner of each article there's a tabber which has a directory to the same article on different Wikipedia language editions. I'd like to know how to add languages to that tabber in articles without them, I've read Wikipedia:Transwiki attribution but I've been told by an administrator that the article is incorrect. The article I'm trying to do this for is Christchurch Central City. Goose Green, 1982 (talk) 10:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@Goose Green, 1982: You make the change in Wikidata. I have a (somewhat long-winded) explanation of a way to do that at User:Auntof6/How to#Interwiki language links for new pages. Feel free to ask if you have questions about it. -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I figured it out, thanks for your help. Goose Green, 1982 (talk) 11:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Not "reaper", but ... ?

MQ-9 Reaper.
"A reaper at the base".
"The reaper has cameras."--Please advise how the word reaper, should appear in those kind of articles.--Are there different choices (as long as there is consistency within one article)?--The Reaper has cameras.--The "Reaper" (quotation marks) has cameras.--Any other choices? Thanks. 80.67.37.2 (talk) 12:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

We are talking about a military drone, so 'Reaper' likely is a proper name... so either reaper or Reaper, no need for quotation marks... Eptalon (talk) 14:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

If a single article shows one or more of the following, then i will probably leave those name-thingies, alone: Reaper (no quotation marks)/ "reaper" (with nearly any kind of quotation marks).--However, reaper with non-capital letter, would maybe not be left alone. But, reaper with small letters and italics, i would probably leave alone.--Diff: simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MQ-9_Reaper&diff=9600343&oldid=9600210 .--Another way of looking at things: the first mention, should be written as an acceptable name; But all the following instances, one might consider looking the other way. Thanks for user:Eptalon's reply. The reply was inspiration, to change the article. 2001:2020:317:C5F6:B09F:D7D8:580B:75E3 (talk) 15:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, should just be capitalised as part of the title. It's a proper noun, so wouldn't be simplified. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Main Page issue

The Main Page looks weird on mobile after a recent update. Each word should be on a single line. TitanicGlitter (talk) 23:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes,I can confirm that Eptalon (talk) 23:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Niklesh

Niklesh 2409:4089:BD1E:EC7B:0:0:9EC8:1009 (talk) 01:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

? Rathfelder (talk) 10:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Hidden statistics

On the statistics link (I ran across it by looking at my 'home'page), there is a section with a map of the world coded for statistics by country. One of the countries for which the stats are hidden is Kazakhstan. Is there any way to find out why the stats are hidden for this country? It's a relatively free and open country. Kdammers (talk) 14:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Oversight candidates

Should we tag this page with {{historical}} Since it hasn't been edited since 2009 and doesn't seem to serve a purpose anymore?- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 15:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

yes, that's likely a good idea Eptalon (talk) 16:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

+1 Judging by the history it appears to have been a vanity venue that never took off but nonetheless it was still part of history even if it was very short-lived, We're not gonna get 2009 back so should make the most of the precious history we have of that era. –Davey2010^Talk 17:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)