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Joe Bloggs
Picture	Joe Bloggs in 1987 [example of a non-free picture]
Birth	July 4, 1969
Death	May 16, 2021

Joe Bloggs
	Joe Bloggs in 1987 [example of a free picture]
Birth	July 4, 1969
Death	May 16, 2021

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Category:Wikipedia

There is a proposal at Category talk:Wikipedia#Proposal to split this category. Please reply on that page. 73.170.137.168 (talk) 21:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Javascript

People are copying JavaScript from EN Wikipedia. Is it okay? Cactus ^spiky ^ouch 12:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For user scripts and the like? No reason why not. All content on En-wiki is covered by CC-BY-SA, that includes script. If it's malicious, then that's a problem. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Without attribution? Cactus ^spiky ^ouch 06:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hmm? Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 12:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What sort of thing are we talking about? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redwarn Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 02:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

there was one more, but I forgot Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 02:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

cant you just import the script from enwiki? In some cases it's possible, you'd use something like importScript('W:User:RedWarn/.js'); //Linkback: W:User:RedWarn/.js Added by Script installer.

Someone slightly more adept at redwarn may be able to tell if this works. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hmm, okay Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 08:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rishi Sunak semi-protected...

Hello all, there were elections in the UK a few days back, and Sunak's party lost. There are likely many people who do ont agree with his policies or actions. I have therefore semi-protected the page, for two weeks. Eptalon (talk) 15:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

seems reasonable Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 08:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sulphate

simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sulphate&oldid=9636526

The current version is dead wrong.--Please have it either QD, or put up for Delete discussion. ASAP.--Alternatively, have the page remain a laughing stock (on the Wikipedia that Jimbo Wales created).--The ball is in your court (and i might not be adding to this thread). 2001:2020:357:A2F3:E82C:920C:6BD0:F92E (talk) 22:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:357:A2F3:C5A3:205D:48AE:EE45 (talk) 22:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@2001:2020:357:A2F3:E82C:920C:6BD0:F92E: Exactly which QD criteria does it meet? "I don't like the content" isn't one. You should review Deletion is not cleanup rule on Wikipedia. You are proving to be a very severe and on-going WP:CIR concern. Operator873 ^connect 22:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that it is "your" version of the page, that I have mentioned specifically.--A third wikipedia-user has not been militant about "his" version that has been shot-down (and that does not have consensus).--I have pointed out which versions are dead wrong (and the community has been advised to get the wheels in motion (ASAP), for Delete of the article , if the current version is going to stand).--This Master class is a freebie (and i might not be adding to this thread).--Other master classes might be available from other "purveyors". 2001:2020:357:A2F3:C5A3:205D:48AE:EE45 (talk) 22:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's my version of the page... but I didn't write it. I agreed with the edit from another administrator and restored it. You know what that's called? Consensus. YOU do not determine the content of the encyclopedia. Inaccuracy or problems on a page are not criteria for deletion. Finally, you hold no authority to determine what gets "shot down" and what remains. I'll remind you that you're on final warning for conduct and behavior. :) Operator873 ^connect 22:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with you adding parts that are dead wrong.--(I am not going to go back and see if you did that twice, or only once.)--I have made my recommendation to the community (and i might not be adding to this thread).--About this thread, an option might be "Humble pie". Someone else will likely come along and fill in the details. Bye, 2001:2020:357:A2F3:C5A3:205D:48AE:EE45 (talk) 23:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you want - you ask others to nominate for deletion. If you believe an article either needs fixing or deletion, you should be the change you need. See this essay on it on enwiki - W:WP:SOFIXIT. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deprecate the File namespace

Many languages of Wikipedia allow fair-use pictures. But we don't allow them in Simple English Wikipedia. So I want to deprecate the File namespace. That is, we want to declare the namespace to be obsolete in this language. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • changes) 08:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sbb1413: I'm not sure what form that would take, but we do have a few files here. The ones we have are administrative and are mostly recordings of Simple English articles -- remember that not all files are images. Therefore we couldn't completely eliminate the file namespace. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for creation

There should be an article for creation on this wiki, like EN Wiki, so that there won't be so many nonsensical pages created, and the backlog would decrease significantly. Thanks Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 08:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme An AfC-like process has been rejected by the community many times so I doubt that this proposal will go anywhere.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 09:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should read through the archives before proposing such thing. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • changes) 09:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oh, my bad. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 11:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

then closing Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 11:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: Also, that wouldn't stop people from creating bad pages. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean it would not show up in mainspace Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 22:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Website to non-free picture

Sometimes, we try to add a non-free picture in subjects without any free pictures. But we don't allow them here. So we should make changes to the infoboxes to add a parameter to add a website to a non-free picture. I'm showing its example at the right. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • changes) 08:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Thank you for suggesting it, but I do not see the point in this. It does not look very good in the infobox and you can simply search for the picture on the web. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 10:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, we try to keep many of our templates the same as enwiki's to make maintenance easier, and such a change would conflict with that. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given Simple and EN Wikipedias are generally the same it's a shame we can't use EN images or at least upload images locally like EN, I know we're Simple and all but it's still never made sense to me why we can't, Anyway like above I don't see the point of having placeholder images either so oppose, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 15:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've been flogging that horse for years. I've forgotten how many times I've asked the community to allow local images. :-| fr33k man 09:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fr33kman Ah okay I didn't know that, that makes me sad now I know you tried and seemingly got nowhere :(,

Given article layout, templates, navboxes, modules... virtually everything goes back to EN you'd think they'd have the sense to say "Images uploaded to EN can also exclusively be used on Simple" or as I said upload locally .... guess this is all hot air and forever will be, shame really, –Davey2010^Talk 19:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft namespace

Should we, like enwiki, have a Draft namespace? It might encourage greater cooperation to edit articles. fr33k man 04:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is that how it works on enwiki? I thought people write their drafts and then they got either approved or denied (by whom, I don't know). -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well...anyone can write a draft on enwiki. Users not autoconfirmed can't create articles in the mainspace. In order to get a draft published to mainspace, an autoconfirmed user can just move it. A non-autoconfirmed user can submit it for review through AFC, where it is reviewed by an experienced AFC reviewer.

The Draft namespace (at least on enwiki) isn't for editing, just for eventually bringing a not fully complete article to mainspace. I actually do think that a Draft namespace would be helpful (for all those half-baked, unsourced pages to be in a for a it), but the issue that we would need some way, like enwiki, to get non-autoconfirmed user's articles out of draftspace (and AFC would be really annoying to implement here as there's much less users). @Auntof6@Fr33kman Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i think this would add a lot of overhead, with little to no benefit to this wiki Eptalon (talk) 17:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Ideally, we could have it such that non-autoconfirmed users could move it form draftspace (in which case I think draftspace would be helpful), but otherwise I think it would do more harm than good. @Eptalon Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 17:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Me Da Wikipedian Non-autoconfirmed users can't move pages at all. 73.170.137.168 (talk) 17:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know that, that's my point. It would only work if they could move pages from draftspace. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 02:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CS1 confusion

In the page All About That Bass#Certifications, citation 122 has an error that says that the reference has no access date or url. This should not be an issue. The issue seems to be in the template, since the reference itself in the article does not show any url or access date, however I do not know what the issue is. Is there any way to fix this? MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 01:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried updating the templates regarding Template:Certification Table Entry, but nothing seems to have worked. (sorry if I broke something) It looks like this happens at every instance of an ARIA chart, and it has something to do with Template:Cite certification, but I still do not know why there is an issue. MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 01:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How come I can create new pages as an IP but I can't on English wikipedia

Basically, if an IP wanted to create the page TFYUIGYIYIOPHBOUYDIVGHDGIOUDBY on simple.wikipedia.org, they would be able to, but if they wanted to create the page on English wikipedia, they can't. Why is that? 24.115.255.37 (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On en wikipedia, you need to submit the article for review and an reviwer will take a look at it if it is acceptable to be on mainspace. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 01:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But why isn't that the case on Simple? 24.115.255.37 (talk) 02:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simple do not have articles for creation Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 02:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also please do not create the page as it would be nonsense Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 01:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't going to I was just using it as an example 24.115.255.37 (talk) 02:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 02:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The rules on different languages Wikipedias are different. We don't have any requirement to go through Articles for Creation. Enwiki only enacted it a few years back. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In very short terms: This community is much smaller than EnWp, and it believes that deep down most IP editors are good people who create useful content. There's no reason to keep an IP from creating an article. Note: there are quick dleetion criteria, a few of them let us delete articles that are nonsense. Admins regularly delete such articles. IP editors who create a few bad pages may be bloked. First the blocks are short, later the blocks are longer. In short: there is no need to prevent IP edittors from creating (hopefully meaningful) articles.

Creating an account isn't necessary, but it has benefits:

You can vote in elections
If your account has a cetain age, and you have done a number of edits, you will be able ot edit semu-protected pages.

Eptalon (talk) 12:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus to move a guideline page

On Simple English Wikipedia we do not create pages, we start them, so I am asking if we can move Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes to Wikipedia:Do not start hoaxes. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 13:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would also suggest moving Wikipedia:Why create an account? to Wikipedia:Why make an account?. MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 23:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 23:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]