User talk:Kürschner
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Hallo Kürschner!
Thank you for doing stuff like this. The translation work is appreciated! -- Slaunger (talk) 19:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- It is a very fine picture, gratulation!--Kürschner (talk) 19:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Well, thank you! It was an impressive sight, difficult to completely capture on a photo. -- Slaunger (talk) 20:48, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks
[edit]Hi, Thanks for the interaction. Let me know if you want any help regarding stuff's relation to en:Tamil, en:Indian wildlife. --Karthickbala (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Judging by your edit at File:Seafair Indian Days Pow Wow 2010 - 042.jpg, you know a lot more of the relevant terminology than I do. If at any point you would be willing to make a pass through Category:Seafair Indian Days Pow Wow and its subcategories, I bet you could add a lot of useful categories to images. - Jmabel ! talk 02:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for placing your confidence in my faculities. But I am only a specialist for furs. They do not have much fur in their costumes - and the little bit I found yesterday evening (German time) I could not really recognize - the fur pieces are to small, I just guessed ;-). I will look again, not hopefull. Regards from the furrier, in German called the --Kürschner (talk) 06:38, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
- I did my best.--Kürschner (talk) 08:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. I will keep my eyes out for fur-related materials in Seattle, but these days few Seattlites at all often wear fur. I can't even think where there is a furrier in town any more. Of course, a century or so ago, they were still trapping locally, so I may run across something archival when doing historical research. - Jmabel ! talk 16:22, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
- If I can do anything else for you, let me know. Fur is naturally beautyful ;-)
Fur sellers in Seattle --Kürschner (talk) 16:28, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Manhattan furs
[edit]Look in the 28th Street category Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:21, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, it's not 28th Street, it's 30th Street, there's one more there. Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:23, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
- There are still a few remnants of the fur district -- there's a couple of shops on 30th Street near 7th Avenue, although one may have moved recently -- I saw that the building was being renovated. My wife works nearby, so the next time I'm up there I'll take a more specific look and see what I can see. Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
- Great - give her your camera ;). I have been there around 1996, we visited a last fur supply shop, and saw some old writings on the walls. Sad for a furrier to see. I would be glad, if you can get some pictures. Here you can see a part of the collection (only the furrier's part, there is a large fur part too) till today: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Furriers_by_city
- Have a nice day, 9h45 in Germany --Kürschner (talk) 08:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
- There are still a few remnants of the fur district -- there's a couple of shops on 30th Street near 7th Avenue, although one may have moved recently -- I saw that the building was being renovated. My wife works nearby, so the next time I'm up there I'll take a more specific look and see what I can see. Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Muzeum Łowiectwa i Jeździectwa
[edit]Na, das ging ja rasend fix mit der Kategorisierung. Da schaue ich gerade mal nach, ob es die Kat schon gibt oder ich eine neue anlegen muss - als ich sie fand, dachte ich spontan, Donnerwetter, jemand hat die gleichen Fotos wie ich gemacht .... Danke und Gruss --Wistula (talk) 20:01, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Danke für die schönen Fotos! Jetzt wüsste ich ja gern noch genau, was das für Katzenfelle da an der Wand sind. Habe übrigens auch etwas gebraucht, bis ich raus hatte, ob es die Kategorie schon gibt, polnisch müsste man können. Aber da Du so vorbildlich die Schilder fotografiert hast, kein Problem.--Kürschner (talk) 20:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Wegen der Tierarten-Bestimmung werde ich nicht helfen koennen, die mitgenommene Info-Broschuere weist sie nicht im Einzelnen aus. Musst Du wohl mal nach Warschau kommen, sie hatten alle ihre Schildchen, Gruss --Wistula (talk) 20:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Ja, ja, die Schildchen sah ich wohl, die Brille ist nicht gut genug. Warschau wäre nicht schlecht. Jetzt erst mal Potsdam. --Kürschner (talk) 21:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Wegen der Tierarten-Bestimmung werde ich nicht helfen koennen, die mitgenommene Info-Broschuere weist sie nicht im Einzelnen aus. Musst Du wohl mal nach Warschau kommen, sie hatten alle ihre Schildchen, Gruss --Wistula (talk) 20:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Fritz Writzka
[edit]Hallo, kennst Du noch einen Fritz Writzka oder Writczka, Leipziger Pelzhändler/Kürschner um 1946? --LutzBruno (talk) 15:14, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
- Leider nicht, DDR und Nachkriegsjahr, da habe ich leider wenig, überhaupt keine DDR-Adressen. --Kürschner (talk) 15:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
- Trotzdem Danke...--LutzBruno (talk) 15:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
witgchoura
[edit]You cited "When the Austro-Italien war brought Bonaparte's troops in contact with the Russian regiments, commanded by field-marshal Suworow, who had introducted the witgchoura, the fashion soon spread to Paris"... Is there some more details about this fasion? Can't guess... The only Russian word to look like is "wichoura" (вычура). It means "something incredible fashionable" or obsolete term "fancy embroidery". "A la Souvarov" there was moustache, hats and bootfortes. --Shakko (talk) 09:46, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- This fur lined cloak, alledgedly seal skins were used for this purpose, became the rage of society. --- Sorry, I should give this information too. --Kürschner (talk) 10:05, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- so it is leather cloak from fake seal? --Shakko (talk) 10:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- Not faked, really seal skins, I think with hair. But I want to find out more, and more sources?! Thank you till here! --Kürschner (talk) 10:26, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- so it is leather cloak from fake seal? --Shakko (talk) 10:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- we have found it! with a little help from my friends. A witchoura was a women's warm, ankle-length winter coat, fur trimmed and lined, and based upon the Polish wilczura coat. They were worn over lightweight dresses during the first third of the 19th century from about 1808 until 1830.source picture. But we can't the Russian word at all for it. The original it seems to be only Polish wilczura. --Shakko (talk) 12:04, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- you will be laughing. It seems to be simply Slavish evolution of German word "Wilkschur"[1]. Simply big coat from wolf.Shakko (talk) 12:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- I am lauhing, I wrote this (Wildschur): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildschur. Thank you very much for now, just before a have walk to the Rhine. I have to think a some longer about your surprising information, your dress looks a "little bit" different to my Wildschur ;-). --Kürschner (talk) 14:04, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- heh. Add to your article interwiki to my fresh one ru:Вилчура :) See notes there to french and english books.
- As I understand, 1. at first it was simply Russian Wilkschur. They found 18th-century drawings for me[2][3] with frozen Frenchmen. Whole fur. But when Western Europe adopted it, it was converted in 2. female witchoura (like redingote, salope, mantle), mainly from textile. We, in Russia, didn't know 2nd fashion. Shakko (talk) 14:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you - and your friends - for the perfect investigation. I think and hope, I had described it correctly at the German Wikipedia. It is linked now to Russian. Have a nice day, sunshine here. --Kürschner (talk) 08:06, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
- As I understand, 1. at first it was simply Russian Wilkschur. They found 18th-century drawings for me[2][3] with frozen Frenchmen. Whole fur. But when Western Europe adopted it, it was converted in 2. female witchoura (like redingote, salope, mantle), mainly from textile. We, in Russia, didn't know 2nd fashion. Shakko (talk) 14:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- you will be laughing. It seems to be simply Slavish evolution of German word "Wilkschur"[1]. Simply big coat from wolf.Shakko (talk) 12:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
@Shakko: , @Kürschner: . Hello. Pardon me for intruding, but I found this discussion quite illuminating (and entertaining) as I have long wondered what this term really meant. You can find an example of an 1815 London fashion plate featuring a "Witzchoura Mantle" at File:Fashion Plate (Britania Witzchoura Walking Dress) LACMA M.86.266.207.jpg. The description for this plate reads, in part:
“ | The Witzchoura mantle and spenser which is worn with this dress, is composed of blue twilled sarsnet, lined with white satin, and trimmed with Mrs. Bell's new invented pearl silk trimming; the spenser is made of white satin to correspond with the mantle. We cannot refer our readers to the Print for the form of the Witzchoura, because it would only convey an inadequate idea of this most tasteful and elegant mantle; nor shall we attempt to describe the manner in which it is made, because we are convinced that our fair readers cannot form a judgment of it without seeing it. We must, in justice to Mrs. Bell, to whose elegant taste the public is indebted for the improved Witzchoura, observe, that it is the most tasteful and becoming mantle we have ever seen: its form is extremely simple, and when properly put on, it falls in such easy graceful folds that even a tolerably pretty figure must be irresistible in a Witzchoura. The materials of this mantle are generally sarsnet, but satin or French silk are in estimation with some elegantes. The spenser and the lining are uniformly white, and the former is always composed of satin, but blue, light-green, and the most delicate shade of the wild rose shot with white, are most prevalent. French bonnet made of pearl silk to correspond with the mantle; white kid gloves, and pale-blue slippers. | ” |
—Explanation of the Prints of Fashion for April 1815 printed in the March 1815 issue of La Belle Assemblée, p. 129. |
The London fashion plates for 1814-15 were full of names like the "Platoff Cap" and "Blücher Bonnet" which may or may not have had anything to do with the actual personages for which they were named, most of whom visited London for the "Victory Summer" celebrations of the Allies in 1814. You can see some of them by perusing the categories associated with the above file, if you are interested (they are sorted by date). It seems that in the case of the Witzchoura, in any event, Mrs. Bell's "improvements" resulted in a garment not much related to its namesake. I hope you found this as entertaining as I did. Cheers! Laura1822 (talk) 21:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Here's another, this one French from 1813: File:Costume Parisien 1290 - Chapeau de Satin à Raies de Velours. Witz-chouras de Reps. 1813..jpg Laura1822 (talk) 21:54, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
- Greatǃ And the Chapeau de Satin à Raies de Velours is with fur, very probably Russian squirrel (that's my topic). Continued here soon?? I love Wiki ;-) -- Kürschner (talk) 07:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
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- Bedanktǃ --Kürschner (talk) 14:57, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Maybe you'll need it?
And this one? --Shakko (talk) 19:58, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- Fine, thank you. I know them and I saw your uploads. But they are much better then the one I uploaded, and above all, they are complete! Thank you very much! -- Kürschner (talk) 20:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- See one here: Sable skins. -- Kürschner (talk) 20:25, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- and here (fine collection!): fur caps. -- Kürschner (talk) 21:26, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- the hats had differents sub-names but I didn't find the source for it yet. Murmolka and etc. Shakko (talk) 07:39, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
- and here (fine collection!): fur caps. -- Kürschner (talk) 21:26, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- here you can see the way to transpotting the pack of 40 sables in textile cover (gift for your emperor from our tsar, I hope he liked it :). And in Gothic inscription in German the author speaks about it. --Shakko (talk) 07:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
- Not my, the German Emperor - for the Austrian one. This part of the picture is sometimes shown in fur literature. Have a nice day! -- Kürschner (talk) 07:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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Furriers in Barcelona
[edit]I have found no more photos. But I'll follow this topic in the future! --Jordiferrer (talk) 09:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- This is, what I hoped, great. Thank you! -- Kürschner (talk) 09:26, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Deine Scans der Jubiläumsschrift 50 Jahre C. Louis Weber ...
[edit]Lieber Kürschner, vielen Dank für Deine hochaufgelösten und vollumfänglichen Scans, mit denen Du auch Menschen mit anderen Interessen Dienste geleistet hast. Zur Vorbereitung eines eigenständigen Wikipedia-Artikels über C. Louis Weber habe ich mir erlaubt, Bildausschnitte aus dem Buch zu fertigen, die dann den noch zu schreibenden Artikel illustrieren sollen. Sicher im Namen auch anderer Nutznießer Deiner ehrenamtlichen Arbeiten sende ich Dir Gruß und Dank. --Bernd Schwabe in Hannover (talk) 13:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- Freut mich, bin gespannt auf den Artikel. -- Kürschner (talk) 15:08, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hallo Bernd Schwabe in Hannover, ist nichts draus geworden? Nur so, Neugierde. Beste Grüße, -- Kürschner (talk) 20:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Guten Abend, Kürschner. Schön, von Dir zu hören. Doch, daraus wird noch was, wohl in diesem Jahr, wenn wir den Umzug in das neue Wikipedia-Büro Hannover in das Haus Uihlein geschafft haben; wir können dann fast auf das denkmalgeschützte Weber-Gebäude hinüberblicken. Der Artikel dauert geschätzt etwa 8 bis 12 Stunden Arbeit - fürs Erste. Wollen wir das gemeinsam erarbeiten? Darf ich Dich schon jetzt ins neue Büro einladen? Gruß und Dank von Bernd Schwabe in Hannover (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- Guten Abend Bernd Schwabe in Hannover. Wirklich schade, dass Hannover von mir nicht um die Ecke liegt, sieht beeindruckend aus. Bin auch derzeit an einem Projekt dran, dass sich zumindest über einige Monate hinziehen wird, wegen der Recherchen. Morgen Gespräch mit der Handwerkskammer, was die wohl so im Archiv haben. Ich würde dir ja trotzdem gerne behilflich sein, fürchte nur, dass ich von hier aus nichts beitragen kann. Wenn du soweit bist, kann ich gern mit reinschauen, aber wie gesagt... Schöne Woche und toi - toi - toi! -- Kürschner (talk) 19:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- Guten Abend, Kürschner. Schön, von Dir zu hören. Doch, daraus wird noch was, wohl in diesem Jahr, wenn wir den Umzug in das neue Wikipedia-Büro Hannover in das Haus Uihlein geschafft haben; wir können dann fast auf das denkmalgeschützte Weber-Gebäude hinüberblicken. Der Artikel dauert geschätzt etwa 8 bis 12 Stunden Arbeit - fürs Erste. Wollen wir das gemeinsam erarbeiten? Darf ich Dich schon jetzt ins neue Büro einladen? Gruß und Dank von Bernd Schwabe in Hannover (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hallo Bernd Schwabe in Hannover, ist nichts draus geworden? Nur so, Neugierde. Beste Grüße, -- Kürschner (talk) 20:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
festplatte bereinigt :-)
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Hallo Kürschner, vor Jahren hab ich den Laden gesehen und für dich aufgenommen, jetzt auf der festplatte wiederentdeckt :-) hoffe, du freust dich ein bisschen... viele grüße --Z thomas 18:10, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hoho, hoho, nicht nur ein bisschen. Thomas, der Tag ist gerettet, DANKE! -- Kürschner (talk) 18:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- sehr schön, dann halte ich mal weiter die augen auf :-) --Z thomas 18:37, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- Oh Thomas - ich werde schon nervös. Viel Erfolg und toi toi toi! Kürschner (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- sehr schön, dann halte ich mal weiter die augen auf :-) --Z thomas 18:37, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Eine Postkarte meines Ururgroßvaters Ambros Pospischek.
[edit]Die Kürschnerei wurde weiter geführt von seinem Sohn Rudolf Pospischek, danach von dessen Söhnen Emil Rudolf Pospischek und Gerbert Pospischek und zuletzt von Emil Rudolf Pospischeks Sohn, Edlef Holger Pospischek. Der letztgenannte ist mein Vater. {{unsignedIP2|02:51, 28 August 2016|176.0.89.23}
Please do not categorise this as fur fashion of the date of the photograph. British mayors represent the ancient tradition of their city when they wear traditional ceremonial robes. It is not about fashion.
In the case of Barnsley mayors, their robe was presented to the town in the 1870s. Successive mayors continued to wear it on formal occasions, whether they liked it or not, into the 20th century. This type of robe imitates medieval and renaissance fashion, that is, Court fashion of the years before about 1600. It is worn for tradition. Storye book (talk) 10:41, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- Hallo Storye book, thank you for your interesting information, great. But where is the problem? Clothing fashion is, what people wear in that time. Fashion from citicens maybe not the same as the individual clothes of lawyers, bakers, kings and so on. But it is a special fashion of the time. And must be categorized in that year as a help for people, who write about fashion of the time. Alternativ there are categories for fur costumes by year, but this categories I want reserve for real costumes, costumes which represent another time as they were used (actors, carneval, etc.). It is the normal use to describe robes as fashion in the time they are used! --- But - better a cateogory to much, then one less and somebody will not find the image he needs. Regards -- Kürschner (talk) 11:50, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- You say that fashion is "a special fashion of the time." A traditional, ceremonial robe, in the case of British mayors, is usually the exact same single item of clothing, made maybe 100 or more years ago, which is worn by whoever is elected to office for many, many decades. It is usually created in imitation of medieval or renaissance fashion (i.e. up to about 1600.) You could say that the style is medieval/renaissance. Or if you want to define it by when it is worn, then the "time" of the Barnsley mayoral robe is 1873-present - or 19th century, 20th century and 21st century. But it is certainly not a fashion of the 1920s, for example. I agree that costumes can represent the fashion of a previous era. British mayoral robes can fall into the costume category, then, because they are used specifically for parades and display on special occasions. Storye book (talk) 12:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- Dear Storye book, that is all fine. But please show me another way to categorize these (and thousends others, which are categorized this way till now, for example military fur clothing, clerics etc.) in the year they were used. I think, we shall let it as it is used till now and do not start dozens (thousends, each year for every sort of robe) of lower or upper categories?! -- Kürschner (talk) 11:00, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
- You say "please show me another way to categorize these." I have already done so: I suggest that you categorise them as costume, since that is what they are - at least for the mayors. In the UK, mayors only wear their traditional robes about once or twice a year - normally for their official photograph on accession, and for their annual Mayoral parade. An exception might be a visit to the town by the Queen, or a national-event funeral. At most other official events they just wear the mayoral chain and a normal office suit. If a young child in the UK asked a robed mayor whether he was wearing "fashion", the mayor would laugh kindly, and explain that his/her fashionable dress was the office suit worn under the robe, and that the robe was a costume for parades, representing the dignity of the town. Storye book (talk) 11:31, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Storye book, ok, I will do this with the images you have uploaded. But please consider, in actual fact I am the only one who serve as specialist these categories. It would be nice, to let them as their are... ;-). Thank you, have a nice week! -- Kürschner (talk) 12:25, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
- You say "please show me another way to categorize these." I have already done so: I suggest that you categorise them as costume, since that is what they are - at least for the mayors. In the UK, mayors only wear their traditional robes about once or twice a year - normally for their official photograph on accession, and for their annual Mayoral parade. An exception might be a visit to the town by the Queen, or a national-event funeral. At most other official events they just wear the mayoral chain and a normal office suit. If a young child in the UK asked a robed mayor whether he was wearing "fashion", the mayor would laugh kindly, and explain that his/her fashionable dress was the office suit worn under the robe, and that the robe was a costume for parades, representing the dignity of the town. Storye book (talk) 11:31, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, Kurschner. Much appreciated. And thank you for all your had work on the categories. Storye book (talk) 12:35, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Fur fashion in 2018 - Trooping
[edit]Also die Fotos wurden 2018 gemacht. Und die Wachen tragen auch Pelz. Aber soweit ich weiß, doch den gleichen, den sie auch letztes Jahr getragen haben und das Jahr davor und wohl auch nächstes Jahr? Ist das also wirklich die optimale Kategorie? --C.Suthorn (talk) 10:39, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
- Hallo C.Suthorn, danke für deinen berechtigten Einwand. Sicherlich nicht optimal. Aber ich sehe wenig Sinn darin, weitere, spezielle Kategorien anzulegen, die zeigen, dass in diesem Jahr Bärenfellmützen getragen wurden. Es gäbe alternative Kategorien, "Fur costumes in 2018" oder "Furs in 2018" (in die ich alles mit einsortiere, was aus einer anderen Zeitepoche stammt, aber in diesem Jahr fotografiert wurde - bis eben auf zu der Zeit getragene Kleidung, die ich gern bei der Mode belassen würde). Wie gesagt, wirklich nicht optimal, scheint mir aber noch der beste Kompromiss. -- Kürschner (talk) 10:47, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Mann im Pelzrock
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Was trägt der denn? Gruss --Concord (talk) 12:36, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Hallo Concord, der sollte seinen Pelz mal dem Kürschner zum → Pelzreinigen, dem sogenannten „Läutern“, geben. Dann hätte ich es etwas leichter. → Biberfell würde ich raten. DANKE! -- Kürschner (talk) 12:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Hallo Kürschner,
[edit]ich freue mich, daß ich hier zwei Rechnungen des Geschäfts Gustav Techritz gefunden habe. Das Geschäft gibt es immer noch (heute Leder- und Strickwaren) und wird von einer Verwandten von mir geführt. Herbert Grötsch — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2A02:810D:8CC0:24F0:9854:C4A1:8536:7752 (talk) 07:50, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Danke! -- Kürschner (talk) 09:03, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Herr im Pelz
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Moin, aus der umfangreichen Bildergabe der Hamburger Staatsbibliothek mal ein Hamburger Bürgermeister im Ornat mit herzlichem Gruss --Concord (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Guten Morgen Concord, das ist ja toll. Ich kenne bisher nur die Hamburger Bürgermeister im Persianer-Ornat. Das ist der erste Vorgänger, den ich zu Gesicht bekomme, offenbar noch die preiswertere Ausführung aus Lammfell. Der Tag fängt gut an für mich, DANKE! -- Kürschner (talk) 05:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Alte Straßennamen
[edit]Lieber Kürschner, sollten wir jetzt für alle alten Straßennamen (in Kamenz) Kategorien anlegen? Das geht meiner Meinung dann doch zu weit, oder (siehe c:Category:Budißiner Gasse (Kamenz)). --PaulT (talk) 10:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Lieber PaulT! Doch ich halte es durchaus für vernünftig (und häufig auch so gemacht), sofern ein Inhalt vorhanden ist. Falls die Straße inzwischen umbenannt würde, mit der entsprechenden übergeordneten Kategorie versehen. Das ist hilfreich für alle, die ein Objekt mit dem Straßennamen finden. Aber für Kamenz würde ich mich letztlich natürlich den dortigen Fachleuten beugen. -- Kürschner (talk) 10:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Lieber Kürschner, der sorbische Name Budissin wurde für Bautzen ursprünglich alleine, ab Mitte des 15. Jahrhunderts parallel zu eingedeutschten Namen verwendet. Seit 1886 heißt die Stadt amtlich Bautzen. In der alten Sage zum "Mönch" und auf alten Plänen bis ins 19. Jahrhundert steht deshalb oft Budissiner Gasse. Selbst Bönisch schreibt aber 1825 schon Bautzner Gasse (siehe hier). Das Foto ist jedoch schon aus der Bautzner Straße, die selbst im Adressbuch von 1897 schon Bautznerstraße hieß (ein älteres habe ich nicht; siehe auch c:File:04113-Kamenz-1903-Obere Bautznerstraße-Brück & Sohn Kunstverlag.jpg). Ich würde es für sinnvoller erachten, bei den Kategorien zu den heutigen Straßennamen etwas zu den früheren Namen und/oder Nummerierungen reinzuschreiben. Ich würde das für Kamenz gern Stück für Stück übernehmen. Bei der Bautzner Straße ist das noch recht einfach. Ziemlich kompliziert wird es bei Plätzen, die nach (König) Albert, Stalin, ... benannt wurden. Noch schwieriger zum Beispiel ist es mit der (Inneren) Königsbrücker Straße, die unterdessen Teil der (nun verlängerten) Pulsnitzer wurde. Da hat man dann bei beiden auch die Hausnummern verschoben. Wenn bei der Commons-Cat Bautzner Straße auch die Budissiner Gasse mit drin steht, dann findet man sie ja auch beim Suchen. Darf ich dasnn doch die Cat mit dem alten Namen löschen? Sonst müsste ich auch für die Bilder um 1900 jede Menge neue Cats anlegen mit Albertplatz, ... --PaulT (talk) 11:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- PaulT, wie gesagt, letztlich seid selbstverständlich ihr Ortskundigen gefragt. Und großen Dank für die ausführliche Erläuterung (ich nehme es von meiner Beobachtungsseite, dann kann nix mehr passieren ;) ). -- Kürschner (talk) 11:19, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- OK, wie gesagt: ich schreibe es demnächst immer mal rein und beginne mit der Bautzner Straße. --PaulT (talk) 11:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Habe mal einen Entwurf für die Bautzner Str und die Pulsnitzer Str in die Commons-Cats reingestellt. Würde es so etwa gehen? --PaulT (talk) 14:05, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- PaulT: Hervorragend! Schönen Abend! -- Kürschner (talk) 16:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- PaulT, wie gesagt, letztlich seid selbstverständlich ihr Ortskundigen gefragt. Und großen Dank für die ausführliche Erläuterung (ich nehme es von meiner Beobachtungsseite, dann kann nix mehr passieren ;) ). -- Kürschner (talk) 11:19, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Lieber Kürschner, der sorbische Name Budissin wurde für Bautzen ursprünglich alleine, ab Mitte des 15. Jahrhunderts parallel zu eingedeutschten Namen verwendet. Seit 1886 heißt die Stadt amtlich Bautzen. In der alten Sage zum "Mönch" und auf alten Plänen bis ins 19. Jahrhundert steht deshalb oft Budissiner Gasse. Selbst Bönisch schreibt aber 1825 schon Bautzner Gasse (siehe hier). Das Foto ist jedoch schon aus der Bautzner Straße, die selbst im Adressbuch von 1897 schon Bautznerstraße hieß (ein älteres habe ich nicht; siehe auch c:File:04113-Kamenz-1903-Obere Bautznerstraße-Brück & Sohn Kunstverlag.jpg). Ich würde es für sinnvoller erachten, bei den Kategorien zu den heutigen Straßennamen etwas zu den früheren Namen und/oder Nummerierungen reinzuschreiben. Ich würde das für Kamenz gern Stück für Stück übernehmen. Bei der Bautzner Straße ist das noch recht einfach. Ziemlich kompliziert wird es bei Plätzen, die nach (König) Albert, Stalin, ... benannt wurden. Noch schwieriger zum Beispiel ist es mit der (Inneren) Königsbrücker Straße, die unterdessen Teil der (nun verlängerten) Pulsnitzer wurde. Da hat man dann bei beiden auch die Hausnummern verschoben. Wenn bei der Commons-Cat Bautzner Straße auch die Budissiner Gasse mit drin steht, dann findet man sie ja auch beim Suchen. Darf ich dasnn doch die Cat mit dem alten Namen löschen? Sonst müsste ich auch für die Bilder um 1900 jede Menge neue Cats anlegen mit Albertplatz, ... --PaulT (talk) 11:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Fundsache
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Gruss --Concord (talk) 13:24, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hallo Concord, wouw! - DANKE! -- Kürschner (talk) 15:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
I've created such subcategory for Ordnung. Because main Category:Fur garments in art is just junk already. It surely needs your eyes and hands! Maybe also create subcat "furs in advertisment catalogues"? --Shakko (talk) 10:54, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Shakko, thank you for your message. I am not glad for more categories. It is no problem, to put douzends or hundreds of images in new, more different categories. But if I categorize a lot of different pictures I become a problem, to know and find the right one. And it needs more steps, for example it is not possible, to categorize 20 images of a list together. But I will try to have a look on it. Have a nice time, stay healthy!-- Kürschner (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
Administrator?
[edit]Hallo, Kürschner! You participate in maintenance work and nominate often files/redirects for speedy deletion. Do you want to become an administrator? I can create a formal request, if you agree. Taivo (talk) 19:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hallo Taivo, I am proud, thank you for your offer! I am grateful to everyone who makes this work. But that's not for me, my nerves... Greetings to all, who do that thankless job. Best regards, -- Kürschner (talk) 20:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Fur categories
[edit]I noticed you added fur-related categories to many of the files I uploaded. I am curious as to how you found all of them, because I don't see "fur" anywhere in the description or anything, and it would be a lot of work to browse through lots of unrelated people categories just to see if they were wearing fur or not. —howcheng {chat} 15:53, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hello howcheng, I am writing about all themes around furs, fur fashion, furriers and fur working techniques and so on. And from time to time I look for new uploaded images of other users. And categorize them, among others, in year categories, for showing the fur fashion in the time. - And if I see, somebody is loading up an interesting picture, I look, if there is some more. So does it works. And I am glad for everybody, who gives me a hint ;-). Thank you for your interest (and for your images), -- Kürschner (talk) 18:27, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I will try to remember to add fur-related categories when applicable. —howcheng {chat} 19:47, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Großherzogliche Kasernen in Karlsruhe
[edit]Hallo Kürschner, du hast eben Category:Großherzogliche Kasernen in Karlsruhe angelegt, und in der Beobachtungsliste sehe ich, dass Category:Großherzogl. Kasernen in Karsruhe gelöscht wurde. Da du offenbar nicht die Verschiebefunktion für Kategorien genutzt hast, sieht man nicht, wer die alte Kategorie angelegt hatte und dafür als Ansprechpartner dienen könnte. Deren Titel war nämlich nicht nur wegen der Abkürzung schlecht, sondern hatte wahrscheinlich auch die falsche Sprache, was nun weiterhin gilt. Außerdem scheint mir die Kategorisierung in Category:Barracks in Karlsruhe überhaupt recht unausgegoren. Hast du vor, daran weiter zu arbeiten oder ging es dir nur um die Abkürzung? Sitacuisses (talk) 13:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hallo Sitacuisses, es ging nicht um die Abkürzung, sondern um eine Falschschreibung, da stand Karsruhe, ohne "l" (fällt erst auf den zweiten Blick auf ;-) ). Also gehe damit um wie du es für richtig hältst, ich habe von Karlsruhe null Ahnung und bin nur zufällig darüber gestolpert. --- Vielleicht kannst du zu dem von mir hochgeladenen Bild etwas beisteuern, oder korrigieren?: File:Karlsruhe, Rest Kasernen-Begrenzung, 2022.jpg
- Danke, -- Kürschner (talk) 16:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ach, Kassru war auch falsch geschrieben. Du hast da ein Kulturdenkmal erwischt und die Chance verpasst, noch mehr Bilder von den Gebäuden zu machen. Ist trotzdem schon in die passende Denkmalliste eingebaut. Gruß, --Sitacuisses (talk) 17:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, Chance verpasst ist gut. Ich war nur fasziniert von dem Baudenkmal, die Chance überlasse ich jetzt dir. Noch einmal danke! -- Kürschner (talk) 17:38, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Karakul Cap
[edit]Hey. Not sure why you added Category:Hamid Karzai wearing a karakul cap on File:Hamid Karzai 2004-06-14-D-9880W-075.jpg again. I don't see Karzai wearing a cap (hat) in this picture. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 15:20, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hallo Cryptic-waveform, look on the desk ;-) -- Kürschner (talk) 15:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- OK. I don't think that qualifies as wearing it though. I created to Category:Hamid Karzai with karakul caps to remediate this. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 15:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you think, it is necessary (???), it is ok. -- Kürschner (talk) 15:39, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- I don't really think that it's necessary, but I believe that the picture in question doesn't show Karzai wearing a hat. In my opinion this is the most correct way to solve this. I wouldn't mind just emptying and deleting the category I just created. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 15:50, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- I started this categories with 'xyz with fur'. But another user changed them in 'xyz wearing fur'... That's Wikipedia. -- Kürschner (talk) 15:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oh well, now we have both :) Cryptic-waveform (talk) 16:09, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- I started this categories with 'xyz with fur'. But another user changed them in 'xyz wearing fur'... That's Wikipedia. -- Kürschner (talk) 15:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- I don't really think that it's necessary, but I believe that the picture in question doesn't show Karzai wearing a hat. In my opinion this is the most correct way to solve this. I wouldn't mind just emptying and deleting the category I just created. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 15:50, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you think, it is necessary (???), it is ok. -- Kürschner (talk) 15:39, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- OK. I don't think that qualifies as wearing it though. I created to Category:Hamid Karzai with karakul caps to remediate this. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 15:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
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Der Rauchwarenmarkt
[edit]Hallo. Ich habe Wikidata-Item (Q122072743) angelegt, um die Zeitschrift mit Wikidata Infobox zu erschließen. Wie verhalten sich c:Category:Der_Rauchwarenmarkt_(Zeitung), c:Category:Der_Rauchwarenmarkt_(Zeitschrift) und c:Category:Der_Rauchwarenmarkt zueinander? Grüße Jeb (talk) 14:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hallo jeb, nach meinem Urlaub. Danke der Nachfrage. --- Kürschner (talk) 18:14, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hallo Jeb, auf der Kategorieseite habe ich versucht, es aufzubröseln. Es gab unter dem Namen eine Zeitung und vom selben, historisch gewechselten Verlag eine monatliche Fachzeitschrift. Ich würde alles in einen Topf werfen, wie ich es auch gemacht habe? -- Kürschner (talk) 17:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Haus Sauer
[edit]Hallo Kürschner, ich habe vorhin gesehen, dass du Fotos vom Haus Sauer in Köln in die "Category:Furriers in Cologne" einsortiert hast. Soweit OK. Ich bin aber nicht sicher, ob es auch Sinn macht, Fotos wie File:Infobox Kölnisches Stadtmuseum im Haus Sauer-0677.jpg so zu kategorisieren. Das Haus gehört mittlerweile der Stadt Köln wird aktuell für das Kölnische Stadtmuseum umgebaut. Ich sehe da keinen Zug zum Kürschnergewerbe mehr. Oder habe ich einen Punkt ühersehen? Raymond (talk) 10:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hallo Raymond, ich muss gleich noch mal nachsehen, vielleicht habe ich mich vertan. Aber solange der Name Franz Sauer (???) noch dran steht - tut er das (?) - passt es schon. Ich wollte/will übrigens eben dem Franz Sauer eine eigene Kategorie spendieren, das könnte es vielleicht einfacher machen. Nach dem Mittagessen. -- Kürschner (talk) 10:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Ja, der Name steht noch dran, aber das halte in der Gesamtschau hier nicht mehr für relevant. Werde mich aber auch nicht drum streiten. Ich finde es gerade nur schade, dass ich Haus Sauer nicht fotografiert habe, als das Modehaus noch darin war. Raymond (talk) 11:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Unverzeihlich! ;-( -- Kürschner (talk) 11:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Ja, der Name steht noch dran, aber das halte in der Gesamtschau hier nicht mehr für relevant. Werde mich aber auch nicht drum streiten. Ich finde es gerade nur schade, dass ich Haus Sauer nicht fotografiert habe, als das Modehaus noch darin war. Raymond (talk) 11:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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Wiki Loves Monuments
[edit]Hallo Kürschner, wir hatten ja ewig nix mit einander zu tun. ich hab grad Fotos von dir von Kulturdenkmalen in Düsseldorf entdeckt. Blöde Frage dazu: Kennst du de:Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Monuments 2023/Deutschland und hast du Lust, deine Fotos daran teilnehmen zu lassen. Alle im September hochgeladenen Fotos dürfen daran teilnehmen. Falls du keine Lust darauf hast, nehm ich dir das nur ein bisschen übel :-) viele Grüße Z thomas 06:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hallo Thomas, das ist mal eine nette Anfrage, danke. Ich habe die Bilder nur aus dokumentarischen Gründen gemacht und bin der Meinung, dass sie nicht den hehren Ansprüchen einer Wettbewerbsteilnahme entsprechen. Es reicht mir, wenn sie hier und da eine Lücke füllen, Df.-Golzheim hat jetzt keine Bilderwünsche bezüglich der Baudenkmäler mehr. Schön, dich nach so langer Zeit hier mal wieder zu treffen, bis zum nächsten Mal, beste Wünsche und Grüße -- Kürschner (talk) 06:43, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Kein Problem, wichtig ist, wie du sagst, dass die lücken gefüllt werden
- so... ich werd mal die augen wieder verstärkt nach kürschnergeschäften offen halten, wobei die wirklich wenig werden. viele Grüße Z thomas 08:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- nachtrag: WLM hat auch den Anspruch dokumentarische Lücken zu füllen :-) Z thomas 08:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oje, Thomas, das mit den Kürschnereien wird wirklich immer schwieriger. Desto mehr freue ich mich, wenn ich noch eine entdecke, Weidmannsheil von einem Nichtjäger (aber alle irgendwo anfallenden Felle sollten genutzt und nicht vernichtet werden...). -- Kürschner (talk) 09:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- nachtrag: WLM hat auch den Anspruch dokumentarische Lücken zu füllen :-) Z thomas 08:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Collection G. & C. Franke
[edit]Hi Kürschner, I'm looking for background as to how this collection came about. How did we access it? Is there a web address for it? How can we contact it?
More specifically I'm looking for a copy of the original watercolour that this is a detail from. Broichmore (talk) 13:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hallo Broichmore, the mail to you failed:
SMTP error from remote server for RCPT TO command, host: outlook-com.olc.protection.outlook.com (104.47.18.225) reason: 550 5.5.0 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
- I try it once more with wikipedia. -- Kürschner (talk) 17:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Pelzgefütterter Nowgorodfahrer
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Ich nehme an, w:de:Hermann Carl Dittmer trägt hier ein russisches Pelzfutter? Mit herzlichem Gruss --Concord (talk) 23:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hallo Concord, das ist aber nett, danke. Das Pelzfutter kann man ja nur vermuten. Aber der Besatz ist sehr wahrscheinlich gerupfter Biber. Lass dich nicht rupfen, schönes Wochenende vom Kürschner (talk) 09:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Danke gleichfalls! Wieder etwas gelernt. --Concord (talk) 12:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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Bezeichnung "Bisonrobe"
[edit]Hallo Kürschner, vielen Dank für das Hochladen (hier) deines Bildes "Museum für Völkerkunde zu Leipzig, Bisonrobe, Crow, 2. Hälfte 19. Jh.jpg". Du verwendest im Dateinamen und in der Bildbeschreibung den Begriff "Bisonrobe". Ich habe im Artikel de:Amerikanischer Bison wiederholt den englischen Begriff buffalo robe (um es deutlich von buffalo hide abzugrenzen) benutzt, weil mir die korrekte deutschsprachige Entsprechung nicht bekannt war. Weisst du, ob die Bezeichnung "Bisonrobe" für mich als Übersetzung in Frage kommt? Ich ziele mit meiner Frage nicht auf die Entsprechung buffalo-Bison, sondern auf robe-Robe. Ich stand vor der Entscheidung, ob ich den in der deutschsprachigen Literatur verwendeten Begriff "Bisonfell" überhaupt verwenden kann, wenn ich zwischen buffalo robe und buffalo hide sauber differenzieren will. Vielleicht kannst du mir ja helfen? Gruß,--Anglo-Araneophilus (talk) 06:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hallo Anglo-Araneophilus, hide ist zumindest immer richtig, da für die Umhänge nur ein Fell verwendet wurde. Im deutschen Häutehandel werden Felle dieser Größe ebenfalls immer als Haut bezeichnet, auch wenn die Haare noch daran sind, nicht als Fell. Wenn es sich um Kleidung handelt ist meines Erachtens die Bezeichnung robe auch in der Übersetzung üblich. Die deutsche Entsprechung wäre wohl eher so etwas wie Umhang, würde ich aber nur als zusätzliche Erklärung verwenden. Hast du schon mal hier geguckt?: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindshaut#Bison_und_anderes_Wildrind
- Wenn noch Fragen sind, gern. -- Kürschner (talk) 07:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Uii, das ging schnell und hilft weiter. Und nein, auf das de:WP-Lemma "Rindshaut" war ich noch nicht gestoßen, vielen Dank für dein Engagement im Projekt allgemein und natürlich für die tollen Hinweise im Speziellen :) Habe jetzt erst mal wieder einen guten Schwung zu lesen. ;) Gruß,--Anglo-Araneophilus (talk) 08:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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Fur mozzetta
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Hello, Kürschner! I see you placed Category:John of Nepomuk with fur mozzetta on a category page, and I have questions around it. On the one hand it is not a mozzetta, but an almuce (that is made of fur by definition) that Saint John of Nepomuk wears on that statue (and on most of his statues), on the other hand, to my best knowledge 'fur mozzetta' is a non-existent concept. Mozzetta is a buttoned garment, same length in front as well as in the back, made of noble fabric, not of fur, with the exception that it may be trimmed with fur like it can be seen on the picture on the right.
I obviously don't know each and every art representation of John of Nepomuk, but I documented his 900 statues located in Hungary (plus some 200 paintings). Even if I did not find any mention of a 'fur mozzetta' in the papers and books on the history of the clerical vestments, the stone-carvers might have produced strange things. With that I am saying, that out of the 900 statues I know, there are 11 that, we can tell, somewhat resembles a mozzetta and are made of fur (see gallery below), two dozens wear a proper mozzetta (not made of fur), but vast majority of them wears an almuce. That is the traditional iconography with the almuce, anything with capes, pelerins, mozzettas, etc. are produced towards the end of the 19th century and beyond, or made by less talented and knowledgeable rural carvers.The same phenomenon, i.e. people referring to John of Nepomuk's garment as a mozzetta, although it is an almuce, was also summarized here in German.
- Statues with something like a mozzetta, but made of fur
- Statues with proper mozzetta, not fur
That said, I believe the category should be reconsidered. I am happy to help if we can get into an agreement. Pasztilla (talk) 09:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dear Pasztilla, I am ashamed. You're absolutely right. More is nothing more to say, thank you!!! Shall I change it all in 'John of Nepomuk with fur almuce'? -- Kürschner (talk) 09:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Kürschner! I didn't mean lecture you, sorry if that was the impression. 'John of Nepomuk with almuce' should be enough, as almuce is of fur by definition. Pasztilla (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, no Pasztilla, you was very, very right! But I think, almuces are not always made of fur??? So I would prefere the name with fur, analog to the other fur garment categories? -- Kürschner (talk) 12:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not deep into the recent (19th-20th century) development of the clerical garments, I cannot exclude that these days there are almuces made of other than fur, so it is safer indeed to use the 'fur' in the category name. Pasztilla (talk) 13:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, no Pasztilla, you was very, very right! But I think, almuces are not always made of fur??? So I would prefere the name with fur, analog to the other fur garment categories? -- Kürschner (talk) 12:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Kürschner! I didn't mean lecture you, sorry if that was the impression. 'John of Nepomuk with almuce' should be enough, as almuce is of fur by definition. Pasztilla (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Yours sincerely, Lukas Beck (talk) 09:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)