Talk:State of Palestine

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Picture in the "Art, Music, and Clothing" Section

Under the 'Art, music, and clothing' Section there is a picture of 'Palestinian children in their traditional dress'. The picture itself was taken in London (on Oct. 9th 2023), and it is not clear this has anything to do with 'traditional Palestinian clothing'. The picture does contain a political message which is irrelevant to the information discussed in the section, and in addition contains a short manifesto in text when opened "There are more than two million people living there, and this brutal form of collective punishment is clearly a war crime which threatens the lives of all of them...". I suggest deleting this picture or finding a more suitable image which is relevant to the information discussed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by

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</div Depotadore (talk) 13:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 14:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Add a clickable song thingy where you can play the national anthem

</div Depotadore (talk) 11:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd agree that the anthem audio should be added to the country's infobox, similar to other states. We already explicitly state that it's the anthem, with sources backing it up. I don't see why a clickable audio file can't be added to the infobox here. AG202 (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done PianoDan (talk) 17:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Early history

why there's no early history section? at least a brief about non-arab/muslim history and a detailed paragraph about Muslim/Arab history of the region of Palestine?? 213.139.45.143 (talk) 12:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

This is about the state, to the region. Slatersteven (talk) 12:50, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Then why does Israel have. Kharbaan Ghaltaan (talk) 20:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I have added an excerpt from History of Palestine to the beginning of the history section, which runs through various periods up to the Ottoman era. This edit was modeled after the Israel article. Evaporation123 (talk) 05:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Its not like Israel article. In Israel, every section before modern history is in fair size. I too did many edits and made Palestine article too lengthy. I think every section should be of fair size in this article like this:

• Pre-history:
  • Natufian culture
  • Pre-Pottery
  • Tahunian
  • Ghassulian
  • Jericho
• Ancient history
  • Canaan
  • Phoenicia
  • Egyptian Empire
  • Ancient Israel and Judah (Israel, Judah)
  • Philistia
  • Philistines
  • Neo-Assyrian Empire
  • Neo-Babylonian Empire
  • Achaemenid Empire
• Classical history (mostly Christian)
  • Hellenistic Palestine (Seleucus, Antigonus, Hasmonean kingdom)
  • Roman Palestine (Herodian kingdom, Province of Judaea, Syria Palaestina, Diocese of the East (Palaestina Prima, Secunda, Salutaris))
• Middle Ages (mostly Muslims)
  • Muslim conquest
  • Rashidun (Jund Filastin, Jund al-Urdunn)
  • Umayyad
  • Abbasid
  • Fatimid
  • Crusader
  • Ayyubid
  • Mamluk
  • Ottoman
• Modern (final years of of Ottoman rule to end of British mandate
• War and occupation (from 1947 war to 1999)
• 21st century: 2000 to present

Kharbaan Ghaltaan (talk) 17:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

If you want to go ahead with putting that in, fine by me. Evaporation123 (talk) 18:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright ... Sorry I replied late since I'm in vacation and laptop is not available.... I will continue my work once I'm back . Thank you Kharbaan Ghaltaan (talk) 14:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Citation needed

Hi,
The lead sentence asserts that Palestine is a country, but the footnote has the following error:  “The named reference :17 was invoked but never defined.”  Suggest either supplying a substantiating citation, or otherwise replacing it with a Citation Needed template  —Arrandale Westmere (talk) 04:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Better reference needed for Palestinian Statehood

The reference used to validate Palestinian Statehood (ref #19) needs to be changed because it states the exact opposite:

From "United Nations Common Country Analysis for the Occupied Palestinian Territory" states:

"The text, designations, and presentations of materials in this publication, including their respective citations, maps, and bibliography, do NOT imply the expression of ANY OPINION WHATSOEVER OR ANY OFFICIAL POSITION BY THE UNITED NATIONS concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city, or area, or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries." Meson81-wiki (talk) 19:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Removed ref. We don't need a ref for the statehood (or country, same thing, although I prefer state myself. I guess saying the State of Palestine is a state is redundant tho). Selfstudier (talk) 19:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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Please undo this edit, which added a clearly inappropriate coma [sic]. Thanks. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 15:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Occupied Jerusalem isn't mentioned as part of the territories at start of lead.

Israeli occupied Jerusalem is part of the state of Palestine and should be mentioned as such when describing the geography at the very beginning of the article. 2A04:4A43:447F:EAA8:0:0:3B2E:CB0E (talk) 03:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

WB is usually understood to include EJ but anyway added to make it clear. Selfstudier (talk) 08:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

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I would like to change a small typo under the 'Etymology' section. The word 'general' in the first sentence of the section has an accidental uppercase letter 'L' when it should have been lowercase (l).

Current: ...from a Semitic toponym for the generaL area dating back...

Fixed: ...from a Semitic toponym for the general area dating back... NebulaStride (talk) 12:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Done. Selfstudier (talk) 12:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Proposal to merge Occupied Palestinian territories into this article. The two topics are the same, geographically and politically. There is no precedent for such a State-Territory article split across our encyclopedia; even looking at other states with limited recognition like Kosovo and Taiwan. And the content of the two articles is entirely overlapping – there is nothing in the OPT article that isn’t (or shouldn’t be) already in the SoP article. Onceinawhile (talk) 18:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Onceinawhile, RfCs aren't meant for merge discussions (see WP:RFCNOT. Can you try again using the process described at WP:MERGE? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I am conflicted with this one, as apparently is everybody else, judging by the recent ICJ opinion. One article refers to the occupation of and the other to territory claimed by but the territory itself is the same territory. And there is the never ending split personality debate as to Palestinian statehood, even tho the ICJ opinion is quite explicit about the right to self determination and the need for the occupation to end. It's like pulling teeth and I agree there is no precedent but the whole situation has been described as sui generis and maybe it is. My opinion is that we should leave it be just for the moment (same with the "territories", it ought really to be "Territory" but again, let it lie for now, maybe). Selfstudier (talk) 19:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with @Selfstudier's points. I would also add that the State-Territory split, while rare at the moment, is almost certain to become common this century due to rising sea levels caused by climate change.

According to Effects of climate change on small island countries#Maldives:

Climate change is a major issue for the Maldives. As an archipelago of low-lying islands and atolls in the Indian Ocean, the existence of the Maldives is severely threatened by sea level rise. By 2050, 80% of the country could become uninhabitable due to global warming. According to the World Bank, with "future sea levels projected to increase in the range of 10 to 100 centimeters by the year 2100, the entire country could be submerged". The Maldives is striving to adapt to climate change, and Maldivian authorities have been prominent in international political advocacy to implement climate change mitigation.

According to Effects of climate change on small island countries#Kiribati:

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please change Palestine,[i] officially the State of Palestine,[ii][e] is a country in the southern Levant region of West Asia recognized by 145 out of 193 UN member states. It encompasses the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, collectively known as the Occupied Palestinian territories, within the broader geographic and historical Palestine region. The country shares most of its borders with Israel, and it borders Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest. It has a total land area of 6,020 square kilometres (2,320 sq mi) while its population exceeds five million people. Its proclaimed capital is Jerusalem, while Ramallah serves as its administrative center. Gaza City was its largest city until 2023.[3][4]

To Palestine,officially the State of Palestine, is a country in the southern Levant region of West Asia recognized by 145 out of 193 UN member states. It encompasses the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, collectively known as the Palestinian territories, within the broader geographic and historical Palestine region. The country shares most of its borders with Israel, and it borders Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest. It has a total land area of 6,020 square kilometres (2,320 sq mi) while its population exceeds five million people. Its proclaimed capital is Jerusalem, while Ramallah serves as its administrative center. Gaza City was its largest city until 2023.[3][4] AEOM20 (talk) 10:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territories. Slatersteven (talk) 10:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Not done, not an improvement. Selfstudier (talk) 10:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)