Talk:Rye

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Comment

Content remove from RYE

Rye (scientific name - Secale cereale) is a type of grain which originated in Turkey, Europe, and Iraq. It is highly tolerant of soil acidity, and seasonal production is from November to April.

to be merged with main article as necessary. Pete 14:11, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Color of rye bread

From the article: "Rye bread is a widely eaten food in Northern Europe. It is often colored deep brown with sugar syrup, since naturally it is gray." I don't think this is true - most of the rye breads I eat (in Finland) have no sugar and they're quite brown. It is true that some rye breads (as do other breads) have syrup, but I don't think it's for the colour. I'm removing the comment about sugar until further evidence. Hardwick 17:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the proportion of rye also influences the color? E.g. the rye breads I'm eating now is 21% rye, and is a fairly dark brown, but not as dark as some. --Singkong2005 ^talk 07:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Wholegrain?

Is the standard rye which is traditionally used a wholegrain, or is it milled in a similar way to wheat when making white flour?

Burgen (commercial site) says it's a prebiotic. Burgen apparently uses wholegrain rye, though whether this is standard or just their bread is not clear.

I found a few links about health benefits. E.g. http://virtual.vtt.fi/virtual/rye/chapter9.htm - benefits of rye bran.

More nutritional info would be useful, too, if someone knows a suitable link. I did a bit of googling but didn't find anything suitable. --Singkong2005 ^talk 07:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Carbonic Acid and rye wine?

Unfortunately I am not qualified to edit this part of the entry as I have no experience of adding rye to wine (in fact I've never heard of it, but my expertise is with beer not wine) - but I can raise an issue of innaccuracy, specifically the comments:

the bottles must be shaken at least once a week to ensure that the rye properly creates carbon dioxide bubbles

- this makes no sense, there are no 'bubbles' in a sealed bottle as the carbon dioxide is in solution in the liquid. Furthermore, it is the yeast that produces the CO2, not the grain - and they do this by consuming any fermentable material, regardless of its source. Agitation would probably help to ensure more thorough fermentation but I doubt a weekly shake is somehow essential. Please cite some sources;

Wines made in this manner usually contain carbonic acid

- ANY fizzy drink will contain carbonic acid, and if anyone wishes to suggest that somehow rye increases the level more than any other fermentable material they need to cite their source;

which makes the alcohol in the drink act faster than less acidic drinks such as lager beer

- again, sources are required as I am aware of no evidence to suggest that the ACID content of a drink has any effect on the 'action' of its alcohol, and even the effect of dissolved gas (bubbles) in alcoholic drinks is no more than anecdotal. More sources please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66steve99 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Table

Why is there a table of the top 10 wheat producers on the article about rye? --137.99.141.92 17:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hear, Hear! - I just logged on with the same suggestion, and when I looked at the talk, here it was! MacAuslan 16:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe its been copied over from the wheat article and the title was not changed?

I know I'll change it and see what happens. --Hellahulla (talk) 19:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, in table of minerals Magnesium(Mg)is mentioned twice!,(i only can think that the second query stands for Manganese(Mn)). Please can someone verify this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.87.245.180 (talk) 21:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Not only that, but the table has potential redundancies in the tally, since EU totals would have Germany and Poland rolled up within. Taking a look at the data. Caisson 06 (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

History of Rye

The selection from Pliny if flawed. I edited "wheat" to make it "spelt" which is what Pliny refers to directly. However, a link to the English version of Pliny at Perseus [1]

shows that it is questionable whether Pliny is even referring to "our" rye when talking about "secale". Why is the reference for this line to the Wikipedia article on Pliny, which says nothing about his discussion of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliotsmith (talk • contribs) 13:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Insect Pests

The article makes no mention of insect pests. Is Rye not susceptible to insect damage that would threaten crop yield? Virgil H. Soule (talk) 16:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

bad calculations???

Russia	3.6
Poland	3.4
Germany	2.8
Belarus	1.2
Ukraine	1.1
China	0.6
Canada	0.4
Turkey	0.3
United States	0.2
Austria	0.2
World Total	13.3

EU 2008 figures include Poland, Germany and Austria.
total would be 13.8, and just on the countries listed above. isn't that wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tawrich (talk • contribs) 22:07, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

France is missing as well. It is in the exporters' chart with significant figures though. 109.124.41.131 (talk) 02:44, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

I've gotten the latest statistics from the FAO site for the years in question (and added 2020); if they don't add up, that's either an FAO data problem or me mistranscribing the numbers.

France is, from the FAO data, not a big producer relative to the others in the table (131,780 tonnes in 2020); maybe they just aren't that much into rye bread and sell most of their rye to those who are. I haven't looked at the other significant exporters from the figure such as Latvia and Sweden. Guy Harris (talk) 22:06, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Lower demand?

The claim that rye production is down because of lower demand is given without references. Since the price has been increasing during the years that production has been falling, it's not a particularly plausible claim. Falling demand causes production to fall because the prices go down - leading producers to look for other ways to make a living. I can find no websites that discuss the reasons for falling production (except this article).

Plausible causes could include political changes in the most common producing regions, changes in available technology, etc. Many were former soviet countries after all.Ricercar a6 (talk) 22:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I deleted the unsourced claim that claim that production was down due to lower demand. Ricercar a6 (talk) 20:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Layout awful

What is wrong with the layout with the Production and consumption statistics section? Those charts look like they are cut-off and are jammed up against the text. I think they could be placed better so the visual impact wouldn't be so jarring. I don't know much about resizing images or placement to know how to improve this so I hope someone else does! It's really bad! Newjerseyliz (talk) 20:38, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I shuffled things around a bit. Guy Harris (talk) 21:57, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Scope

Is the scope of this article the species Secale cereale, or the crop (just subsp. cereale?)? The taxobox suggests the former, but the content suggests the latter. Lavateraguy (talk) 14:00, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

German production: 3.3 is more than 3.9!

The article now says that production has fallen in countries including, "Germany – 3.3 t to 3.9 Mt".

I'm pretty sure that's an increase. IAmNitpicking (talk) 13:18, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

You just got an invitation to Minitrue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:74:E39:8700:887:A58F:D50C:228B (talk) 19:13, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. I changed it to show all values from 1992 to 2012, and to list Germany separately, as its production increased rather than decreasing. It should probably be updated to show the changes from {some year in the past} to 2021. Guy Harris (talk) 20:42, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Tone

The tone of some sections of the article are not very professional, referring to the sentences that include "this information is important to know" or similar statements.

138.229.246.44 (talk) 19:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

production list EU

Why do we have European Union as an entry and then several EU members listed separately? Does the EU number include or exclude the contributions from Germany, Poland, Spain..?

Gjxj (talk) 15:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Multicaule

Hello @Davey2010 and @Falea07 and @Plantsforlife and @Rye lover 99: This conversation needs better communication. One probably has German as your first language and is new to Wikipedia, and another reverted but provided no explanation. (Seek consensus on Talk: isn't a reason.) Certainly we should have something about multicaule here. We didn't have anything until RL added it. D why should we not have a section? It has citations. Invasive Spices (talk) 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @MrOllie, I think a section multicaule would be a valuable addition to this page about rye. Is there a reason you do not agree? There is many reliable sources from academia and governmental institutions that suggest its importance. I would be thrilled, if we could resolve this issue and add a section about multicaule on the Rye article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plantsforlife (talk • contribs) 17:29, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Jouki

Hello @Guy Harris: That citation[2] has not attracted any secondary citations in 10 years and as you note the species is misspelled in the original. I corrected it incorrectly. I think that 'source' should just be removed. Invasive Spices (talk) 28 December 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Rye/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 09:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: PCN02WPS (talk · contribs) 16:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Will review as part of WP:GARC. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Lead and infobox

• "weeds, and provides abundant" → remove comma (WP:CINS)
  • Done.

• "staple food in the Middle-ages" → taking from our article on the subject, should be "Middle Ages" from what I can tell, with caps and no hyphen
  • Done.

• "Around half of world production is in Europe" → Maybe "Europe produces half of the world's rye" or "Around half of world rye production takes place in Europe"? This is more personal preference, I suppose there isn't anything wrong with it as written but I prefer the alternatives for flow
  • Done.

Origins

• "Russian рожь rožʹ" → maybe "and Russian рожь rožʹ" since you're concluding a list?
  • Done.

• "dates, and identifications based solely" → remove comma
  • I think this one's correct: inconsistencies are only in dates; the id isn't inconsistent but narrowly based.

• "Roman naturalist Pliny the Elder" → you can add "The Roman naturalist" to avoid a WP:FALSETITLE, but this is not a necessity
  • Done.

Descriptions

• "It is composed of many" → "It" is a little ambiguous here
  • Fixed.

Cultivation

• Here, "Central" and "Eastern Europe" are capitalized but the directions aren't capitalized in the lead; I think capitalizing is correct but it should be consistent nonetheless
  • Fixed in lead.

• "can tolerate pH between 4.5 and 8.0" → Do you think a link to pH would be appropriate?
  • Linked.

• "Rye can thrive in subzero environments" → I would recommend specifying temperature here, since the last numerical concept being talked about was pH
  • Fixed.

Production and consumption

• "2016 was $186M" → I don't think there's a super compelling reason to abbreviate this from "$186 million", ditto for "$30.1B"
  • Spelt out.

• The last paragraph gets a little choppy with the sentences, though this isn't anything super major
  • Edited.

Nutritional value

• No notes.
  • Noted.

Uses

• "traditional Falun red paint" → does "Falun" need caps here?
  • Yes, Falun is a placename.

• "chromosomes, and are used" → remove comma
  • Edited.

In human culture

• "tar, and may end in tips" → remove comma
  • Done.

• "different animals; such" → reads better to me as a comma instead of a semicolon
  • Done.

Nice work, as always. That's what I found. Your patience is much appreciated! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Spotchecks look good and I'm happy with the changes, looks good to me! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.