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September 5, 2023

September 4, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Tension (Die Antwoord album) → Ten$ion – WP:TMRULES ("When a name is almost never written except in a particular stylized form, use that form on Wikipedia"). Sources consistently write this with stylized s as $. Additionally, this would be WP:NATDIS (albeit of a term that is already the WP:COMMONNAME) and is an easily distinguishable WP:SMALLDETAIL. SilverLocust 💬 16:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Brodie Lee → Luke Harper – This was moved to brodie lee under the notion of it was his current name at the time he was in AEW, but now that isnt relevant at this point his name should revert to common name which is luke harper, as per 9 years in wwe. does less than 1 year in aew, the second company, count as more than the 9 years of wwe, the main company? Muur (talk) 21:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 02:45, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 3, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) → United Monarchy – The subject of this page is a postulated political entity most prevalently referred to in scholarship as the "United Monarchy". This term's prevalence in scholarship is demonstrated in a search of "Kingdom of Israel" and "United Monarchy" together in WP:NCDAB, is preferred over a parenthetically disambiguated one (which is unconcise by its nature, as rather effectively exemplified here). "United Kingdom of Israel" is also a frequent term in scholarship, but if we compare the general usage of the two terms, "United Monarchy" comes out clearly on top in Ngrams. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 11:41, 27 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 19:17, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Anbang (room) → Anchae – Would appreciate some input. Contrary to what's implied in the lead, I'm pretty sure that "anbang" is a main room inside an "anchae". An anchae is a complex in the house for women, which may/may not have just a single room, in which case it's the same as the anbang. See first sentence under 내용 here: [7] (my translation: As the center of the anchae, the anbang is the most isolated living space in the house, as well as the most inner part of the house.) The dilemma: Given that "anchae" is the broader category, should we rename this article accordingly and have a redir from "anbang" to "anchae"? I don't think they should have separate articles btw, not enough info about them independently. Also some notes: * "Anbang" is more well-known than "anchae", but they're not the same thing, so not sure if WP:COMMONNAME applies. * sarangbang/sarangchae is the male counterpart of this article. I just renamed sarangchae from "sarangbang", so ignore that article's title. I may change it based on the results of this discussion. **I just rewrote this article btw; may be helpful if you want some more context. * The kowiki article is called "anbang". toobigtokale (talk) 02:22, 27 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2023 Syrian protests → As-Suwayda Uprising (2023) – The focus of the media is the uprising in Syrian government-held areas, not the areas outside of Syrian government control. And the only major protest that is going on in Syrian government-held areas is the one is Suweida. The other protests in Syrian government-held areas are miniscule (dozens of people) as opposed to the 2000 people that are currently protesting in Suweida, In addition, the civil disobedience (shutting down of shops and Baath party government offices), is only happening in Suweida CatmanBw (talk) 11:22, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 2, 2023

  • (Discuss) – F.A.N.G. (Street Fighter) → F.A.N.G (Street Fighter) – Resubmitting this as the last attempt received a Procedural Close. As stated before, this character's name does not have a period after the G. Every official source (official website[1], official YouTube [2], and the Street Fighter 5 game itself) spells this name without a final period. There are many unofficial, third party sources that make the mistake of adding the last period, but there are zero official sources that do so. Goatrope (talk) 19:11, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column/130686?lang=en
  2. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy1oO_OpuYA
  3. ^ "Google Books Ngram Viewer". books.google.com. Retrieved 2023-09-02.
Jeaucques (talk) 13:20, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – RM (musician) → RM (rapper) – First of all, I would like to you inform you about one thing that make people a musician: He/She mainly plays musical instruments. And with the article title, I would like to apologize I did not intend to request RM's page be changed to use a "(musician)" instead of "(rapper)". It was just an accident when I tried to make redirects to RM's article. So, can we change the article title back to "RM (rapper)"? RMXY (talk) 10:34, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – TikTok food trends → FoodTok – This article was created two and a half years ago as part of a wildcat (non-WikiEd) student program at Northeastern University. It was rescued at AfD. At that time, the name FoodTok was not in the most widespread use, particularly in RS. This article's proseline structure has lent itself to being a mess and a collection of short-lived trends that has only grown as time has gone on. Add in three WikiEd classes in 12 months. Refocusing the article on the FoodTok community, with mention of some of the most notable food trends that actually made it to reliable sources (and things like Pink Sauce, which shockingly is nowhere to be seen here), would provide badly needed focus and structure. We already have BookTok, which could serve as inspiration. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:13, 26 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 10:32, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 1, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Museum and Arts Centre, Fremantle → Fremantle Arts Centre – The article was moved to 'Musuem and Arts Centre, Fremantle', without any prior discussion or debate, when that change was reverted, as it was identified as a controversial move, the original mover changed it back, contrary to the provisions of WP:BOLDMOVE. As a result I am now initiating a WP:RMCM process. The reason for reverting the article title back to its original title is as per WP:COMMONNAME this is the name that the building is known by. The owners of the building, Fremantle City Council, have called this building and complex, the Fremantle Arts Centre for the last two decades.[10] All the signage on the building and directional signage to the building states 'Fremantle Arts Centre'. A google search indicates that it is the name that the building is most commonly known by. Also there has not been a museum in the building for the last two decades, since the Maritime Museum moved to the Fremantle West End. Dan arndt (talk) 04:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

August 31, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Slovak Social Democracy → Smer – On 30 August, @Completely Random Guy moved the page to Slovak Social Democracy. While I believe this was in good faith, it was a wrong move, as it completely fails all 5 criteria of WP:CRITERIA, and with completely the wrong reasoning. And why it was moved to Slovak Social Democracy, and not the expected Direction - Slovak Social Democracy I have no idea. The page must be moved. Before it's done however, I propose the page be moved to Smer instead of Direction - Social Democracy. I believe it should be so because; * A) it's more recognizable - anyone from Slovakia or Europe will be able to recognize the name more easily than "Direction" * B) it's what is used in English-language sources: Politico, The Guardian, Washington Post, Euronews, and it's the only way it's ever referred to in Slovak-language sources * C) it is not overly specific and detailed, while still being unmistakable and precise * D) it will completely eliminate the need for the unwieldy "Social Democracy" part of the name I believe this should apply to almost all non-English political party names, as is done with Irish political parties, but that is for another conversation. If you have any objections, please do leave a comment! Thanks! PS; Guy, they refer to themselves as "Slovak Social Democracy" as part of their political campaign. Their official name remains unchanged. Even their website domain only consists of strana-smer. Political campaigns should not affect Wikipedia's content. Please do more research before making such changes again. — Soggy Pandas (talk) 23:40, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Battle of Donbas (2022–present) → Battle of Donbas (2022) – This article started out in a pretty reasonable state, after officials on both sides of the war announced a “Battle of Donbas” in spring-summer 2022. However, since then, the article has quietly, unreasonably ballooned in scope to cover every single thing that happens in the Donbas in the war from then on, despite there being zero sources that still call ongoing activities the “battle of (the) Donbas”, or the “battle for (the) Donbas” in a more than figurative way. To the contrary, I will prove in this nomination that reliable sources actually consider the “battle” - or “offensive” or whatever you want to call it - to have ended in late summer 2022, at some point after Russia captured the twin cities Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk and before Ukraine started its twin counteroffensives in the autumn of that year. There are not many sources to draw on here - mostly because the terminology “battle of Donbas” completely fell off in usage almost immediately after the announcements - but the ones that are available are pretty clear about the scope. AXIOS wrote in late August that the 2022 Kherson counteroffensive “likely marks the start of a third phase of the war, following Russia’s initial three-pronged assault and the grinding battle in the Donbas.”[5] The “battle in the donbas” is clearly considered to have ended as a “phase” of the war with the beginning of the counteroffensives. This is, in fact, the same grouping of events Wikipedia already uses to separate sections of the war at Russian invasion of Ukraine and Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and this very wiki article calls it the “second phase” already. Military experts and commentators also use the terminology to describe a specific phase and offensive of the war which has since ended, rather than as all activity in Donbas since summer 2022. Rob Lee and Michael Kofman, writing for the Foreign Policy Research Institute in an article titled “How the Battle for the Donbas Shaped Ukraine’s Successes”, state: “Ukraine’s successes in Kherson and Kharkiv were largely a result of the losses it inflicted on the Russian military in the Battle for the Donbas in the spring and early summer.”[6] They describe the ending of the campaign, saying “Russia’s advances in the Donbas, from April to July, proved to be a pyrrhic victory, tactical successes at the expense of strategic vision. Russia expended valuable manpower and artillery ammunition, while Ukraine pursued a defense-in-depth strategy. By September, NATO arms deliveries had reduced Russia’s critical advantage in artillery and Moscow didn’t have sufficient forces or ammunition to hold the territory occupied, which set the stage for Ukraine’s successful offensives.”[6] The Institute for the Study of War also puts the ending roughly in Summer 2022, stating: “Russia lost the initiative in summer 2022 after its offensive in Donbas culminated.”[7] These bounds are a bit rough and imprecise, I admit, but we are covering an ongoing war, and the specifics are going to be a little bit blurry. My tentative proposal is to place the end date immediately before the beginning of Ukraine’s 2022 counteroffensives, but this is something that editors can decide in further discussion threads. I think from the evidence I’ve showed, it is clear that the campaign is not ongoing and did indeed end in mid-2022, and so should be moved. I should also note: This proposal is formatted as an RM, but will also necessitate a significant downsizing and rewriting of the article, with all out-of-scope material either transferred to higher-scope articles like Eastern Ukraine campaign or deleted if it’s already covered in relevant places. There will also need to be a lot of links removed from pages that will now be out of the scope of the article. I think this is a manageable amount of refactoring. HappyWith (talk) 19:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Moses, Notre Dame → Statue of Moses – Per WP:VAMOS, which says: "For portrait sculptures of individuals in public places the forms "Statue of Fred Foo", "Equestrian statue of Fred Foo" or "Bust of Fred Foo" are recommended, unless a form such as "Fred Foo Memorial" or "Monument to Fred Foo" is the WP:COMMONNAME. If further disambiguation is needed, because there is more than one sculpture of the same person with an article, then disambiguation by location rather than the sculptor is usually better. This may be done as either "Statue of Fred Foo (Chicago)" (typically preferred for North America) or "Statue of Fred Foo, Glasgow" (typically preferred elsewhere)." If editors feel additional disambiguation is required -- see Moses (Michelangelo) -- then perhaps Statue of Moses (University of Notre Dame). I think either would be an improvement over the current title. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:18, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

August 30, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Lemmatisation → Lemmatization – Reopening this because the last discussion failed to mention that the -ize spelling is also favoured by Oxford spelling, which is commonly seen in the UK in academic contexts. Every source cited use the -ize spelling (except for 6 and 7 which do not use the word at all). This includes the cited Collins Dictionary, which also adheres to oxford spelling. Ngrams also shows the -ize spelling to be roughly 7x as frequent. jajaperson (talk) 11:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 11:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

August 29, 2023

  • (Discuss) – Kicks after the siren in Australian rules football → List of kicks after the siren in the VFL/AFL – It's been 7 years since I last suggested modifying this page to include only instances occurring in the VFL/AFL. I now think it's time to raise the point again, and push it more strongly. I'd love to get this article up to a 'good' standard or even somewhere near a featured list, but such a mission is impossible if the scope remains as it is currently. Think about it – right now the page purports to include every single instance from every single game played in the sport. It simply isn't feasible, and I would argue that apart from exceptional circumstances (grand finals, pitch invasions etc.), that any of these instances that occurred outside of the VFL/AFL aren't even making WP:EVENT (except for those in the AFLW, which is worthy of its own page and shouldn't be lumped in with the VFL/AFL). I propose removing all instances outside the VFL/AFL, moving the page name to reflect this change in scope (and the fact that the page is list-based), and improving the page up to the standard of a similar page such as List of VFL/AFL players to have scored a goal with their first kick. Gibbsyspin 11:30, 9 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 12:53, 16 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:47, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Māui (mythology) → Māui – Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, a disambiguation isn't needed here. The subject of this article is the primary topic, with other articles about Māui referring to his description within specific Polynesian mythologies. Rather than disputing for being the primary, these all help to establish the overarching Māui article as the primary topic for Māui with a macron over the ā (while the island is the primary for Maui without a macron.) This is currently a redirect to this article, but I'd suggest a hatnote for linking to the disambiguation as well for clarity. Turnagra (talk) 05:17, 13 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kailyard school → Kailyard literature – Our article opens by basically disputing that this is in fact a "school" of literature rather than just a genre, and the literary-critical views on the topic are clearly divided, so WP should not be pre-emptively declaring it a "school" in the article title, especially since "kailyard literature" is entirely descriptive enough and otherwise adequate as a title.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:48, 7 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 19:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:10, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Libyan civil war (2011) → 2011 Libyan uprising – This page should move to 2011 Libyan uprising, as a both naturally disambiguated (per WP:NCDAB) and descriptive title (per WP:NCE) that also finds prevalence in scholarship. While "civil war" is one descriptor for this event, the majoritarian language for this event is as a "revolution" or "uprising". As Ngrams shows, there are more results for "revolution" and "uprising" overall than for "civil war". Of these two near synonyms, the terminology of "uprising" specifically is the most effective for disambiguating the event from the earlier revolution in the 1960s, since the terminology of "Libyan uprising" is fairly unique to this event as a specific move against a perceived dictator/Arab Spring uprising. "2011 Libyan uprising" also appears to find slightly more prevalence in scholarship, at also see that uprising or revolution generally emerges on top. But ultimately it is a choice, as this source notes, different sources and authors use all of the terms “revolution,” “civil war ‚” and “uprisings” to capture different dimensions of the events unfolding in Libya from February to October 2011. But per the points put forward above, I would suggest that 2011 Libyan uprising is the best choice. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:26, 16 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Eto'o → Eto'o (surname) – With Eto'o to redirect to Samuel Eto'o. This is quite an easy situation as all three people with this surname are brothers in the same job, and let's just say one did a lot better than the other two. Samuel could be called one of the greatest players of all time (see his honours section) while his brothers seem to have made only a handful of appearances that were ever documented. For a similar logic, Cruyff redirects to Johan Cruyff despite the existence of Jordi Cruyff, who was good but nowhere near his pop. David Eto'o played three games for Cameroon but those were in the African Nations Championship, which is only for domestic-based players and therefore excludes Africa's best players; those three caps pale to Samuel's 118 at thirteen (!) international tournaments, which have earned Samuel global recognition and numerous references in books. On pageviews, Samuel has consistently had over 2,000 a day for the last 90 days despite being retired, while his brothers are consistently in double digits. Google Books for "Eto'o football" ("Eto'o" alone shows some chemical formula for some reason) only shows results for Samuel. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:19, 10 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 05:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:39, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – C. Odumegwu Ojukwu → Emeka Ojukwu – This was originally moved to "C. Odumegwu Ojukwu" in 2010, as a user was under the impression that Ojukwu's full name is not often cited. But on looking at the sources, I couldn't find any that shortened his first name to simply "C." Most seemed to use either his full name "Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu" or shortened it to "Emeka Ojukwu". I looked on Google Ngrams and found that these are the two most common cases of his name, with "Emeka Ojukwu" appearing to be the most common name.[20] As such, I propose moving this page to "Emeka Ojukwu", although I would also be in favour of the full name "Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu". Grnrchst (talk) 21:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:34, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ren (British musician) → Ren Gill – Just gauging if there is any support for moving this article to the name Ren Gill (currently a redirect here) per WP:NATDIS, while he does primarily use his monymonous name "Ren", the last name is well known and well reported, and Wikipedia guidance says to prefer the use of natural language disambiguation over parentheticals. We have an available way to do that, just use the last name. Jayron32 15:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:12, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – C.D. Huachipato → Huachipato FC – This Chilean professional football team changed it's official name from Club Deportivo Huachipato (Club Deportivo Huachipato still exists, as a separate, multisports club with no professional football team) to Huachipato FC when it became an S.A.in 2015, It's been recognized as Huachipato FC by the ANFP and by the team itself ever since, as shown in the official club website, it's logo and own publications. Same request was made in Spanish Wikipedia. Requesting move. Ardije (talk) 03:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Ardije (talk) 17:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – MaterialWorks 19:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir → Insurgency in Indian-administered Kashmir – Multiple issues related to clarity and POV.
    Calling the area "Jammu and Kashmir," the name India has designated it, in wikivoice, gives undue weight to the Indian POV in a very controversial dispute. We do not call the Pakistani part of Kashmir "Free Kashmir" for the same reason.

    Neutral sources refer to the Indian-controlled part of Kashmir as "Indian-administered Kashmir."[8]

    The naming is extremely vague and confusing. "Jammu and Kashmir" can refer to multiple things - either the entire greater disputed region of Kashmir, or the name India gives to the part it controls.
    But this is not where the confusion ends.
    After 2019, when India dismembered Indian administered Kashmir, the entirety of which was known as state of Jammu and Kashmir, India created another much smaller territory with completely different boundaries called Jammu and Kashmir (Union territory).
    Sources from before late 2019 calling it the "insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir" are referring to the territory of the state that spanned the entirety of Indian-administered Kashmir, not the new union territory with different boundaries. So, you can see how when one reads "Jammu and Kashmir" it can be vague and confusing even for those well informed about the region, let alone the average Wikipedia reader.

References

  1. ^ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/her-majestys-penitentiary-1.6951813
  2. ^ https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/officials-confirm-death-at-notorious-her-majestys-penitentiary-jail-in-newfoundland/article_b51dbc8f-d685-56e2-94ea-dbd1d3bae114.html
  3. ^ https://vocm.com/2023/06/28/212986/
  4. ^ https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/news/as-construction-of-a-new-st-johns-prison-remains-stalled-the-state-of-her-majestys-penitentiary-gets-worse-opposition-says-100872608/
  5. ^ Lawler, David. "Ukraine launches counteroffensive to retake Russian-occupied Kherson".
  6. ^ a b "How the Battle for the Donbas Shaped Ukraine's Success".
  7. ^ "Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 4".
  8. ^ South Asia: fourth report of session 2006–07 by Great Britain: Parliament: House of Commons: Foreign Affairs Committee page 37
Solblaze (talk) 07:32, 29 August 2023 (UTC) Solblaze (talk) 07:32, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Julio Rodríguez (baseball) → Julio Rodríguez – Okay, I've waited a few months since the last nomination for movement, and since then the baseball player's notability has only increased. Over the past 3 months this page has averaged 2,069 views per day compared to 765 since the last nomination. This is the only page that is getting thousands of views per day compared to the other eight Julio Rodriguez pages listed on the disambiguation page. His views account for 99.55% of total views on pages with 'Julio Rodriguez' in the title. Also Google search results are almost exclusively about the baseball player and since he was named an All-Star this season further solidifies his notability. Therefore the baseball player should be the WP:PRIMARY TOPIC. Ccai2053 (talk) 06:14, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Proton (Swiss company) → Proton (Internet company) –
    Global Presence and Perception: While Proton is headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland the services it offers cater to a global audience. Naming a company on Wikipedia based on its headquarters, especially when it is an international entity, may not be the most appropriate. A globally operating company like Proton should be identified by the nature of its business rather than its geographical location.
    Comprehensive Representation: Referring to Proton merely as a "Swiss company" can be misleading for readers, as they may assume that its products and services are limited to Switzerland. On the contrary, the company offers a range of internet-based international services like Proton Mail, Proton VPN, and Proton Drive.
    Consistency with Other Global Companies: global companies on Wikipedia are named according to the nature of their business or the industry they are part of, rather than their location. This ensures that readers have a clear idea of the company's main focus without potential biases associated with a specific location.
    Brief conclusion: renaming the page to "Proton (Internet company)" would provide readers with a more accurate representation of the company's industry, scale, and global presence. 77.179.40.156 (talk) 11:58, 15 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – MaterialWorks 18:23, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Battle of the Svatove–Kreminna line → Luhansk Oblast campaign (October 2022–present) – As I brought up at § Name, again, "Battle of the Svatove–Kreminna line" is not a true WP:COMMONNAME. It is only really used by Wikipedia, the Institute for the Study of War, and a handful of war-watchers - and as has been mentioned multiple times on this talk page, the ISW is not consistent with this label, making it unclear whether they actually are trying to designate it as its own distinct battle.[a] Other sources in the article, like these [23][24] Ukrainian government sources, call it the "Kupyansk-Lyman direction", since Kupiansk is the goal of Russian forces in the area. Some of the best Western mainstream media coverage of the battle doesn't make any reference to a "line" [25] [26] and avoid giving it a definitive name at all, instead vaguely referring to a "northeastern front". Almost all of the few sources making reference to a battle on the "Svatove–Kreminna line" are quoting the ISW, who, as I've established, don't treat it as a definitive name either. The point is, the current name is not a common or established name for the battle outside of a few circles. Therefore, my proposal is to move the article to the more descriptive title of Luhansk Oblast campaign (October 2022–present). I'm basing this naming standard off the one commonly seen in the articles about the Syrian civil war, as I mentioned in earlier talk page discussions. It just objectively describes where - broadly interpreted - and when the battle is taking place, and avoids using niche terminology that seems to be only consistently used by Wikipedia itself. We don't even really explain what the "Svatove–Kreminna line" is in the article. Admittedly, there's one problem I can see with my proposed title, which is that the campaign is also taking part in some far east portions of Kharkiv Oblast, not just Luhansk Oblast. But I think that's okay, and less of a problem than us calling all of this fighting part of the "Svatove-Kreminna line" when a ton of the most significant fighting is simply not on that line. After all, we have an article called 2022 Kherson counteroffensive, when some of that fighting took place in Mykolaiv Oblast, because the main push was in Kherson. I'm open to suggestions for an alternative descriptive title, but I haven't been able to think of a better one myself. HappyWith (talk) 18:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel → History of the Jews in Israel–Palestine – This page should move to a concise, precise and consistent title in accordance with all of its sister titles viewable at Template:Jews and Judaism sidebar (under the population tab), all of which follow a "History of the Jews in [insert modern geography]" format. The current page title is inconsistent on two counts: in its ostensible presentation of a double topic, i.e. "Jews and Judaism"; and in the use of the "Land of Israel" as a geographical descriptor. The first, the dual scope, is actually a misportrayal of the contents of the page, which is overwhelmingly about Jews and the history of communities, not Judaism, which receives barely a mention on the page after the 7th century. As for "Land of Israel", this is presumably being used to avoid the choice between Israel/Palestine, but it is a failure of precision given that "Land of Israel" is religious, not geographical terminology, and as a descriptor of space is hopelessly vague and imprecise (in the Biblical definitions including not just Israel-Palestine, but parts of Lebanon and Syria, which have separate pages (see links)). In contrast to this, it is hard to think of any particular reason to avoid the hyphenated Israel-Palestine, which works just fine, has inbuilt neutrality and unambiguously encompasses the actual geography in question. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:36, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ They also use the term "Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line" very regularly,[1][2] which would extend the scope of the article considerably, and this article uses these very reports as sources.
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