Talk:Alhambra Cinema (Israel)

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Which flag should be mentioned in the caption in the 1937 photograph?

Over the last year, there have been multiple edits & reverts to change the caption of the 1937 image to indicate different flags (Jordan versus Palestine). Which text and wikilink should be used?

Options:

1. Jordanian flag → Flag of Jordan
2. Palestinian flag → Flag of Palestine
3. Arab flag → Flag of Palestine
4. Something else (please specify)
5. Omit mentioning the flag (please specify reason)

The first 3 options shown are those which different editors have used. I would like the issue settled so that any future changes can be checked against the results of this discussion.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 04:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

The most important point is that the caption explains that the context for the flag being raised was the ongoing 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine.

Iraqi, Amjad (2023-05-29). "The long history of Israel's war on the Palestinian flag". +972 Magazine. A few years later, during the Great Arab Revolt of 1936-39, militant Palestinian groups used different versions of the flag, all of which were based on the original design with the addition of different inscriptions and symbols. In one photograph from 1938, a group of Palestinian rebels is seen waving the black, white, and green flag with the red triangle, while inside the triangle there is a drawing of a cross combined with a crescent — a popular symbol in those days meant to express national unity across religious identities. Palestinian nationalism was flourishing at the time, and when the legendary Alhambra cinema opened in Jaffa in 1937, the original Arab flag was permanently placed on its roof (the building has since been converted into a Scientology Center).

Onceinawhile (talk) 13:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, versions 2 & 3 didn't exist in 1937 (created in 1964), so those are out. I think the best option is the Flag of the Arab Revolt, which appears to be be what was prevalent during the revolt. When I reverted the change back to the Jordanian flag, I was unaware of this option. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

It isn't quite the Flag of the Arab revolt, because the white and green are swapped. I have been searching to find out when exactly that swap happened. @Zero0000 and Selfstudier: who may know? Onceinawhile (talk) 09:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Flag of Mandatory Palestine#Arab flags in Mandatory Palestine has a bit on it, says "after the war", WW1 presumably, mentions discussions for a Palestinian flag in 1929. If it is so, then it is a flag of Palestinian nationalists? Selfstudier (talk) 09:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Looking at that article, and taking into account Onceinawhile's observation regarding the reversal of the green/white bands, it would appear that the Flag of Hejaz (see the file linked on the page mentioned by Selfstudier) would be the correct answer. Doesn't have it's own page, so you could either link it to the section linked by selfstudier, or leave it unlinked. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

The redirect Flag of Hejaz points to a flag with white on the bottom—that doesn't match our 1937 photograph which shows a dark band at the bottom. However, the second image at Flag of Mandatory Palestine § Arab flags in Mandatory Palestine looks like the 1937 photograph. It is captioned "The modified Arab Revolt flag which became widely used following the war; many Palestinian nationalist flags were based on this." Keep in mind two things: (a) the flag atop the building isn't a fabric flag, but a sort of 'statue' with light bulbs all over it, and (b) the low image resolution and black & white doesn't allow for closer examination. We could caption it "an Arab Revolt flag" and link it to Flag of Mandatory Palestine#Arab flags in Mandatory Palestine. Unless we can find some sort of reliable source which more closely identifies it, I'm not sure we should pinpoint "which flag version". (I am unfamiliar with the area and its history, but this image caption continues to get edited and switched back and forth, which is why I opened this discussion.)   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 05:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with captioning it as the 'Palestinian Arab flag' and linking it to Flag of Mandatory Palestine#Arab flags in Mandatory Palestine.

There is already an image measuring 5,524 × 4,007 from the front angle (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jaffa._Alhambra_Cinema._Arab_cinema_in_Jaffa_%27Alhambra%27_LOC_matpc.03562.jpg)

and another image measuring 3,955 × 5,471 from the left angle (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jaffa._Alhambra_Cinema._Arab_cinema_in_Jaffa_%27Alhambra%27_LOC_matpc.03561.jpg), available for closer examination. I couldn't find any coloured images.

It would be strange to designate the flag to foreign nations such as the Hashemite Kingdom of Hejaz and the Emirate of Transjordan, which adopted its second flag on 16 April 1928. Why would a building constructed a decade later feature a 'statuette flag' representing the older flag of the Emirate of Transjordan? It would be incorrect to call it the Jordanian flag. Since the building was owned and managed by Palestinian Arabs during the 1930s, with the political climate of that region and time, it is more likely that the 'statuette flag' was built to show support for the events leading to the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine. 145.89.252.222 (talk) 08:08, 25 September 2024 (UTC)