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Disagreement over "See also" link

There is a disagreement over whether the link to 2023 Hamas attack on Israel should be included in the "See also" section of not. I contend that because the Hamas attack was a surprise attack, the link is justified and should stay in the article. I am not contending that there are any other significant similarities between the two events other than that, but that the one overlap is sufficient for the link to be included. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

If all surprise attacks in history were added, it would be quite a big list. I don't think it should be added, the two events are totally unrelated. Vpab15 (talk) 13:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Which surprise attacks are you referring to? Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Would you suggest September 11 attacks be added as well? The Battle of Trenton? Or maybe even the beginning of Six Day War? There is no reason to add that as a link in this article's see also section. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 05:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't see the need for any links that are not representative of the literature. Are observers making the connection? If not, we shouldn't push it. Binksternet (talk) 06:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Putting it there now has the potential to look political, whether that was intended or not. I'd say, ten years from now, if it still seems to make sense, go ahead and include it. For the moment I'd say no. --Trovatore (talk) 19:26, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

There are no significant similarities between these two; both being surprise attacks isn't significant or unique to only two conflicts. –Vipz (talk) 03:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Pearl Harbor is a terrorist act

The attack on Pearl Harbor and the murder of 2,403 people is an act of terrorism. The terrorists from Japan had not declared war on America before the attack began. The sneak attack and murder of innocent people was not surpassed until September 11,2001 when the terrorist attack on New York murdered 2,997 people. The terrorists from Japan later declared war after the attack began to start America into WW2. 75.192.97.126 (talk) 14:09, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

You're certainly entitled to view it that way. However, the article reflects how the attack is described by multiple mainstream reliable sources. Schazjmd (talk) 14:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

This comment, on its face, seems to be simply arguing about the subject matter rather than discussing how the article should read. Per WP:TPG we're not supposed to do that.

Perhaps unwisely, I'm going to respond anyway. Terrorism, by definition, seeks to achieve its (varying) goals through psychological means, by inducing fear (hence the name) of random violence in its target population.

The Japanese war aims at Pearl Harbor, in contrast, were quite concrete and outside the mental realm. They wanted to degrade America's physical ability to interfere with their operations in the Pacific. In that they were highly, albeit temporarily, successful.

None of that speaks to the moral or legal content of the attack; you can certainly argue that it was a war crime or a crime against morality. But it wasn't "terrorism", a word that is much overused outside its correct area of application. --Trovatore (talk) 18:45, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Location on infobox

Any reason why the location in the infobox is listed as "Oahu, Territory of Hawaii, US" instead of more detailed like Honolulu or Pearl Harbor? Was there an attacks elsewhere in the island? Alexysun (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)