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http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/ppmap.htm
http://www.dot.state.mn.us/library/reg_trails.html
http://www.marion.ohio-state.edu/fac/schul/trails/trails.html
http://www.iowadot.gov/autotrails/indexauto.htm
Partial lists
[edit]1926 Rand McNally
[edit]The following are on the 1926 Rand McNally atlas (note that a few pages, such as southern Minnesota, are missing):
- Adeway
- Appalachian Highway
- Arrowhead Trail
- Atlantic & Pacific Highway
- Atlantic Yellowstone Pacific Highway
- Baltimore Pike
- Banff Grand Canyon Road
- Bankhead Highway
- Bee Line Highway
- Billings Cody Way
- Black & Yellow Trail
- Boone Way
- Bridge Route (Bear Mountain Bridge)
- Buffalo Highway
- California Banff Bee Line
- Capital Highway
- Central Montana Highway
- Coal Oil Highway
- Colorado to Gulf Highway
- Columbia River Highway
- Cornhusker Highway
- Cotton Belt Highway
- Custer Battlefield Highway
- Daniel Webster Highway
- Detroit Lincoln Denver Highway
- Dixie Bee Line
- Dixie Highway
- Dixie Overland Highway
- Dunes Highway
- Electric Highway
- Ethan Allen Trail
- Evergreen National Highway
- Florida Short Route
- Geysers to Glaciers Trail
- Glacier Trail
- Glacier to Gulf Highway
- Golden Rod Highway
- Grant Highway
- Harding Highway
- Itasca Park Highway
- Jackson Highway
- Jefferson Highway
- Jefferson Davis Highway
- Jericho Turnpike
- King of Trails
- Lackawanna Trail
- Lakes-to-Sea Highway
- Lee Highway
- Lincoln Highway
- Lone Star Route
- Lone Star Trail
- Magnolia Route
- Meridian Highway
- Midland Trail
- Mississippi River Scenic Highway
- Mississippi Valley Highway
- Montauk Highway
- National Old Trails Road
- National Park to Park Highway
- National Parks Highway
- New Santa Fe Trail
- North Hempstead Turnpike
- North & South Pike
- North Star Trail
- Northwestern Highway
- Old Oregon Trail
- Old Spanish Trail
- Ozark Trails
- Pacific Highway
- Parks Highway
- Pershing Way
- Pikes Peak Ocean to Ocean Highway
- Postal Highway
- Potash Highway
- Powder River Trail
- Red Ball Route
- Redwood Highway
- Regina Yellowstone Trail
- Rocky Mountain Highway
- Roger Q. Mills Highway
- Roosevelt Highway
- South Atlantic Coastal Highway
- Southern National Highway
- Southwest Trail
- Star Highway
- Susquehanna Trail
- Tamiami Trail
- Theodore Roosevelt International Highway
- Tidewater Trail
- Union Pacific Highway
- Victory Highway
- Vigilante Trail
- West Michigan Pike
- White Horse Trail
- William Penn Highway
- Woodpecker Route
- Yellowstone Trail
1922 Highways Green Book
[edit]This list is from the 1922 Highways Green Book.
- Albert Pike Highway, Hot Springs, AR to Colorado Springs, CO
- Arrowhead Trail, Los Angeles, CA to Salt Lake City, UT
- Bankhead Highway, Washington, DC to San Diego, CA
- Ben Hur Highway, St. Louis, MO to Fort Dodge, IA
- Blackhawk Highway, Beloit, WI to Dixon, IL
- Capital Route, Omaha, NE to Austin, TX
- Chicago, Kansas City and Gulf Highway, Chicago, IL to Galveston, TX
- Cornhusker Highway, Sioux City, IA to Oklahoma City, OK
- Custer Battlefield Highway, Omaha, NE to Glacier National Park, MT
- Dallas-Canadian-Denver Highway, Galveston, TX to Boulder, CO
- Detroit-Lincoln-Denver Highway, termini not given
- Dixie Highway, Sault Ste. Marie, MI to Miami, FL
- Dixie-Overland Highway, Savannah, GA to San Diego, CA
- Evergreen National Highway, Victoria, BC to El Paso, TX
- George Washington National Highway, Seattle, WA to Savannah, GA
- Geysers-to-Glaciers Highway, Yellowstone Park to Glacier Park
- Grant Highway, Chicago, IL to Portland, OR
- International Peace Highway, Quebec and Rouses Point, NY to Laredo, TX and Mexico City
- Jackson Highway, Chicago, IL to New Orleans, LA
- Jefferson Highway, Winnipeg to New Orleans, LA
- King of Trails, Winnipeg to Galveston, TX
- Lackawanna Trail, Delaware, NJ to Binghamton, NY
- Lakes to Gulf Highway, Duluth, MN to Galveston, TX
- Lee Highway, Washington, DC to San Diego, CA
- Lewis and Clark Highway, Lewiston, ID to Missoula, MT
- Lincoln Highway, New York, NY to San Francisco, CA
- Logan-Lee Highway, Rock Island, IL to Paducah, KY
- Lone Star Route, Chicago, IL to Brownsville, TX
- Meridian Highway, Winnipeg to Laredo, TX
- Mississippi River Scenic Highway System, Winnipeg to New Orleans, LA and Tampa, FL
- Mississippi Valley Highway (formerly Burlington Way), Duluth, MN to New Orleans, LA
- National Midland Trail, Eastern Division, East St. Louis, IL to Washington, DC
- National Old Trails Road, Washington, DC to Los Angeles, CA
- National Park-to-Park Highway, "circuit of National Parks"
- Old Spanish Trail, St. Augustine, FL to San Diego, CA
- Ozark Trails, Kansas City, Hannibal, St. Louis, and Memphis to Denver, Las Vegas, and El Paso
- Pacific Highway, Vancouver, BC to San Diego, CA
- Pershing Way, Winnipeg to New Orleans, LA
- Pike's Peak Ocean-to-Ocean Highway (Pershing Transport Route), New York, NY to San Francisco, CA
- River-to-River Road, Davenport, IA to Omaha, NE
- Roosevelt National Highway (Midland Trail), Oyster Bay, NY to Los Angeles, CA
- South West Trail, Chicago, IL to El Paso, TX
- Theodore Roosevelt International Highway, Portland, ME to Portland, OR
- Victory Highway, New York, NY to San Francisco, CA
- White River Trail, Springfield, MO to Ponca City, OK
- Yellowstone Highway, Denver, CO to Yellowstone National Park
- Yellowstone Trail, Plymouth, MA to Seattle, WA
1923 Clason Map Co map
[edit]This is from the map on [1]:
- Atlantic Highway, Calais to Miami
- Atlantic-Pacific Highway, New York to Los Angeles
- Bankhead Highway, Washington to San Diego
- Black and Yellow Trail, Chicago to Yellowstone
- Colorado to Gulf Highway, Denver to Galveston and Brownsville
- Custer Battlefield Hiway, Omaha to Glacier
- Dallas-Canadian-Denver Highway, Galveston, TX to Boulder, CO
- Detroit-Lincoln-Denver Highway, Detroit to Omaha and Denver
- Dixie Highway, Chicago and Sault Ste. Marie to Miami
- Dixie Overland Highway, Savannah to San Diego
- Evergreen National Highway, Victoria, BC to El Paso, TX
- George Washington National Highway, Seattle, WA to Savannah, GA
- Jackson Highway, Chicago to New Orleans
- Jefferson Highway, Winnipeg to New Orleans
- Jefferson Davis National Highway, Washington to San Francisco
- King of Trails Highway, Winnipeg to Brownsville
- Kings Transcontinental Highway, Ottawa to Toronto
- Lee Highway, New York to San Francisco
- Lincoln Highway, New York to San Francisco
- Lone Star Route, Chicago to Lake Charles
- Lone Star Trail, Madison FL, to Shreveport
- Meridian Highway, Winnipeg to Mexico City
- Mississippi Valley Highway, Ely to Gulfport
- National Old Trails Road, Washington and Baltimore to Los Angeles
- National Park-to-Park Highway, "circle connecting our national parks"
- National Parks Highway Boston and New York to Seattle
- National Roosevelt Midland Trail, Washington and Newport News to Los Angeles
- Old Oregon Trail, Independence to Seaside and Olympia
- Old Spanish Trail, St. Augustine to San Diego
- Ozark Trails, St. Louis to El Paso
- Pacific Highway, Vancouver to San Diego
- Pikes Peak O. to O. Highway, New York to Los Angeles
- South West Trail, Chicago to El Paso
- Susquehanna Trail, Buffalo to Washington
- Theodore Roosevelt International Trail, Portland, ME to Portland, OR
- Victory Highway, New York to San Francisco
- Yellowstone Trail, Plymouth Rock to Puget Sound
1924 map
[edit]This is from the 1924 map on [2]:
- Albert Pike Highway, Hot Springs to Colorado Springs
- Arrowhead Trail, Salt Lake City to Los Angeles
- Atlantic Highway, Calais to Miami
- Atlantic-Pacific Highway, New York to Los Angeles
- Atlantic Yellowstone Pacific Hiway, Chicago to Sioux Falls
- Bankhead Highway, Washington to San Diego
- Black and Yellow Trail, Chicago to Yellowstone
- Colorado to Gulf Highway, Denver to Galveston and Brownsville
- Custer Battlefield Hiway, Omaha to Glacier
- Detroit-Lincoln-Denver Highway, Detroit to Denver
- Dixie Highway, Chicago and Sault Ste. Marie to Miami
- Dixie Bee Line, Chicago to Nashville
- Dixie Overland Highway, Savannah to San Diego
- Fort Smith, Pauls Valley & Wichita Falls Highway, Fort Smith to Wichita Falls
- Glacier to Gulf Motorway, Calgary to Tampico
- Glacier Trail, Seattle to Miami
- Jackson Highway, Chicago to New Orleans
- Jefferson Highway, Winnipeg to New Orleans
- Jefferson Davis National Highway, Washington to San Francisco
- King of Trails, Winnipeg to Brownsville
- Lakes to Sea Highway, Erie to Atlantic City
- Lee Highway, New York to San Francisco
- Lincoln Highway, New York to San Francisco
- Lone Star Route, Chicago to Lake Charles
- Meridian Highway, Winnipeg to Mexico City
- Mississippi River Scenic Highway, Winnipeg and Port Arthur, ON to Fort Myers and Port Arthur, TX
- Mississippi Valley Highway, Ely to Gulfport
- National Old Trails Road, Washington and Baltimore to Los Angeles
- National Park-to-Park Highway, "circle connecting our national parks"
- National Roosevelt Midland Trail, Washington and Newport News to Los Angeles
- National Parks Highway (Northwest Trail), Boston and New York to Seattle
- Old Oregon Trail, Independence to Seaside and Olympia
- Old Spanish Trail, St. Augustine to San Diego
- Ozark Trails, St. Louis to El Paso
- Pacific Highway, Vancouver to San Diego
- Pikes Peak Ocean to Ocean Highway, New York to Los Angeles
- Southwest Trail, Chicago to El Paso
- Susquehanna Trail, Buffalo to Washington
- Theodore Roosevelt International Highway, Portland, ME to Portland, OR
- Three "C" Highway, Cleveland to Cincinnati
- Victory Highway, New York to San Francisco
- Yellowstone Trail, Plymouth Rock to Puget Sound
Good Roads Year Book
[edit]From the "Good Roads Year Book", 1912-1917 (1913 has some missing pages; 1917 has history of some major ones, but does not list all minor ones). A few of these may have been simply good roads organizations without a trail (such as the Central Colorado Highway Association).
- Alamo-Victoria-San Jacinto Highway (1914-1916)
- Arkansas, Rio Grande, Gunnison & Grande River Highway (1916)
- Atlantic & Gulf Highway (1914-1916)
- Atlantic Highway, Calais to Miami, including most of the Capital Highway (1917)
- Ayr Line (1914-1916)
- Battlefield Route (1912-1916)
- Birmingham-Montgomery Highway (1914-1916)
- Black Hills-Yellowstone Park Highway (1914-1916)
- Blue Grass Road (1914-1916)
- Boone Way (1913-1916)
- Borderland Route (1914-1916)
- Canada, Kansas City and Gulf Road (1916)
- Cannon Ball Trail (1912-1916)
- Capital Highway, Washington to Atlanta (1912-1916)
- Capital Route or Capitol Route (1912-1916)
- Capital Trail (1913)
- Central Colorado Highway (1912-1916)
- Central Highway (1912-1916)
- Central Route (1912-1916)
- Charlotte-Wilmington Highway (1912-1916)
- Chicago, Black Hills and Yellowstone National Park Highway (1915-1916)
- Coast to Coast Highway (1914-1915)
- Corn Belt Highway (1914-1916) (also listed as Corn Belt Road starting in 1915)
- Council Bluffs, Sioux City & Spirit Lake Highway (1914-1916)
- Decatur-Birmingham Highway (1915-1916)
- Des Moines-Fort Dodge & Spirit Lake Highway (1914-1916)
- Dixie Highway (1917)
- Florence-Tuscaloosa Highway (1915-1916)
- Fox River Valley Highway (1915-1916)
- Golden Belt Road (1912-1916)
- Great White Way (1914-1916)
- Hannibal and St. Joseph Cross-State Highway (1912)
- Hawkeye Highway (1914-1916)
- International Pavedway, Detroit to Laredo (1917)
- Inter-State Trail (1914-1916)
- I-O-A Short Line (1914-1916)
- Jackson Highway, Chicago and Niagara Falls to New Orleans (1917)
- Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway, Miami to Los Angeles, including the Borderland Trail, Border Military Highway, Gulf Coast Highway, and Old Spanish Trail (1917)
- Jefferson Highway, Winnipeg to New Orleans (1917)
- Kansas White Way (1915-1916)
- Knoxville-Chattanooga Highway (1914-1916)
- Lincoln Highway, New York to San Francisco (1912-1916)
- Lincoln Memorial Road, Washington to Gettysburg (1912)
- Little Rock-Texarkana Highway (1914-1916)
- Memphis-Bristol Highway (1912-1916)
- Meridian Road, Pembina to Galveston (1912-1917)
- Midland Trail, Washington and Richmond to Oakland and Los Angeles (1917)
- Montgomery-Lowndes-Dallas Highway (1914-1916)
- National Old Trails Road, Washington to Los Angeles (1914-1917)
- New Santa Fe Trail (1912-1916)
- North Iowa Pike (1914-1916)
- North Missouri Cross-State Highway (1912-1916)
- Ocean-to-Ocean Highway (1912-1916)
- Oconomowoc-Milwaukee Road (1912-1916)
- Oil Belt Route (1914-1916)
- Old Santa Fe Trail (1912-1916)
- Old Trails Road (1912-1916)
- Omaha-Lincoln-Denver Trans-Continental Route (1912-1915, though under different names until 1914)
- Ozark Trails/Ozark Trail, St. Louis to Albuquerque (1915-1917)
- Pacific Highway, Vancouver to Tia Juana (1914-1917)
- Pike's Peak Ocean to Ocean Highway, New York to San Francisco (1917)
- Quebec-Miami International Highway (1912-1916)
- Red Line Road (1915-1916)
- River Road (1912-1913)
- River-to-River Road (1914-1916)
- Rock Island Highway (1914-1916)
- Rocky Mountain Highway (1912-1913)
- San Antonio-Atascosa and Gulf Highway (1914-1916)
- San Antonio-Blanco and Granite Highway (1914-1916)
- San Antonio-Laredo Highway (1914-1916)
- San Antonio-Port O'Connor Highway (1914-1916)
- Santa Fe, Grand Canyon and Needles National Highway (1913-1916)
- Santa Fe Trail, New York to San Diego (1917)
- Sedalia-Springfield Highway (1912-1916)
- Short Line Route (1912-1916)
- Sioux Falls-Salem-Huron Road (1914-1916)
- Sioux Falls-Salem-Iroquois Highway (1914-1916)
- Solomon Valley Highway (1915-1916)
- South Dakota Scenic Highway (1914-1916)
- Southern National Highway, Washington to San Diego (1914-1917)
- Southern Ocean to Ocean Highway (1915)
- St. Joe-Des Moines Ayr Line (1912-1916)
- St. Joe-Des Moines Interstate Trail (1913-1916)
- Sunflower Trail (1912-1916)
- Talladega-Montgomery Highway (1915-1916)
- Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana Highway (1915-1916)
- Tri-State Trail (1912-1916)
- Trunk Highway (1914-1916)
- Twin City-Aberdeen-Yellowstone Park Trail (1914-1916)
- Waubonsie Trail (1914-1916)
- West Michigan Pike (1914-1916)
- Western Michigan Lakeshore Highway (1914-1916)
- Yellowstone Trail, Plymouth to Seattle (1917)
The Road Maker, Excavator, and Grader (1921)
[edit]The Road Maker, Excavator, and Grader March, June, and July 1921 editions list highway and road associations on pages 34-36.
Maps
[edit]- 1918 U.S.
- 1918 U.S.
- 1919 U.S.
- 1919 Midwest
- 1920 U.S.
- 1921 Michigan
- 1922 Southeast
- 1923 U.S.
- 1924 U.S.
- 1926 U.S.
- 1927 U.S.
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[edit]There needs to be citations that demonstrate the verifiability of this article. While "auto trail" sounds quaint and suitably of its age, this article veers entirely too close to sounding like original research. Please cite sources. • Freechild'sup? 20:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think there's any name that's more common than any other, since these were not regulated in most states. Several contemporary map companies used "auto trail": [3][4][5][6] Another company used "trail": [7] --NE2 20:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Not Original Research. This article needs more references. The authors of this entry are utilizing a body of scholarship about America's early love with the automobile with which I am personally familiar. I'll add some references in here in a few weeks, but I'm off to present a paper about the archaeological remains of the Arrowhead Trail, a historic auto trail in california, nevada, and utah, in the historic trails section of the Nevada-Arizona history convention. Will post again in a couple weeks once the semester ends! Bwilreker (talk) 20:52, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I just added the trails from the 1923 GM Co Map that is on the DOT website. I have a colored version of this map and the full title is "Mileage Map of the Transcontinental Trails of the United States Showing best road - road distances - principal cities." There is no date on this map. Only "Copyrighted The G M Co All Rights Reserved." I would be glad to send a copy of the map to anyone interested as with that date, unless we can prove that it was published earlier, it would not yet be in the public domain. So, they are clearly called "Trails." The legend calls the routes Highway, Trail, Route, Road. The 1923 map has a couple of new/different trails, Kings Transcontinental Hwy, Lone Star Trail. Lrsears (talk) 01:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Early history
[edit]It appears that one early plan in 1911 was for seven roads radiating from Washington, DC to be taken over by the federal government, called "national highways": Washington National Highway (Portland, ME), Roosevelt National Highway (Buffalo, NY), Lincoln National Highway (Seattle, WA), Jefferson National Highway (San Francisco, CA), Grant National Highway (San Diego, CA), Monroe National Highway (Austin, TX), and Lee National Highway (Miami, FL). Although none of these were laid out as such, they may have inspired later routes. By 1912 there were plans for a Trail to Sunset (Chicago-Los Angeles), Overland Trail (New York-Chicago-San Francisco), Midland Trail (New York-St. Louis-Los Angeles), and Northwest Trail (New York-Chicago-Seattle), laid out by A.L. Westgard, Director of Transcontinental Highways of the National Highways Association. There was also a Pacific Highway (Seattle-San Francisco) and an All-Southern Route (New York-San Diego). [8], [9], and [10] look useful. --NE2 20:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Some specific history: [11] --NE2 08:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The following are listed in [12] and [13], and later became the following trails:
- Northwest Trail, Chicago-Seattle: National Parks Highway (Yellowstone Trail as an alternate in Wisconsin and Montana)
- Overland Trail, Chicago-San Francisco: Lincoln Highway
- Midland Trail, Kansas City-Los Angeles: Midland Trail (Pikes Peak Ocean to Ocean Highway as an alternate in Colorado)
- Trail to Sunset, Chicago-Los Angeles: Detroit-Lincoln-Denver Highway, King of Trails, National Old Trails Road (Albert Pike Highway as a spur to Denver; Atlantic-Pacific Highway as a former route to San Diego)
- All-Southern Route, Washington-San Diego or Los Angeles: Southern National Highway (Jefferson Davis National Highway as an alternate from Atlanta to Texas)
For descriptions of Iowa's auto trails registered with the Iowa Highway Commission during the 1910s-1920s, as well as details about some of Iowa's nonregistered routes, visit the Iowa Department of Transportaton's Historic Auto Trails Web site at: [14]. Original registration documents are available online, as well as sign images and other resources. Source: Iowa DOT's Office of Media and Marketing Services
--NE2 08:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Interstates
[edit]shouldn't this also have a list of Interstates that approximate these first highways? 70.24.246.151 (talk) 06:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
- The early Interstate system incorporated U.S. Highways, which were developed from these trails. It would be logical to list the U.S. Routes which became associated with portions of the original trails, even though many of the original U.S. Highway designations are superceded. To add Interstate associations may make this article overburdened with additional links. It already has a need for improvement especially in the supplementary links and source information. Refiner (talk) 11:27, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Malone?
[edit]I remember reading a newspaper archive stating the Malone-Montreal (or Montreal-Malone) Highway as the first auto road between Montreal and New York State. So if this is the case, would it be an auto trail? IIRC, the newspaper was from the teens. There's still a stretch of roadway in Quebec called the "Old Malone Highway". 70.24.246.151 (talk) 06:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Old Oregon Trail Western Terminus
[edit]I am quite familiar with portions of this route since I have lived near the western terminus. I don't recall it ever including a link to Olympia, Washington. Rather than just editing it out, I would like to research for any sources referencing this location. I do know that the Old Oregon Auto Trail does roughly follow U.S. 30 from Idaho through the Columbia Gorge to Portland, Oregon and out to Astoria. It is possible that it may have included a portion which became U.S. 101 crossing the Columbia River to Ilwaco, Washington. This is from personal experience and needs source information before incorporating into the article. Due to the age of the Astoria Bridge, this segment is unlikely, and any ferry route is much farther inland from the bridge location due to the dangerous river currents. If I can locate source information, I would like to write the supplemental page for this trail (or assist another author in its creation and development). Refiner (talk) 11:41, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
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Proposed merge of Historic trails and roads in the United States with Auto trail
[edit]- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- To not merge, given that the topics are sufficiently distinct and that readers are best served by the current structure. Renaming was floated as an idea, but with no specific proposal; discussion stale. Klbrain (talk) 18:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
There is significant overlap with these pages. I have no preference to which article should be merged into which, but I feel like one article here is better than two. –Fredddie™ 06:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - They are two separate topics and should be separate articles. Historic Trails deals with trails/paths related to foot or non-mechanized migration or purposeful travel from one location to another. Some historic trails later developed into roads but most faded away as their purpose waned. Auto Trails are different in that they deal with mostly leisure auto travel connecting one location to another. They existed at a time when auto touring was increasing and motorists needed a way to travel long distances. It was well after most historic trails had been discontinued. Combining the articles would make it appear that they are a continuation of one another but in addition to having different purposes, they existed at different times. Dbroer (talk) 15:34, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Dbroer's reasoning. We need to differentiate roads and trails of the automobile era from those of the pre-automobile era, just as we need to differentiate turnpikes of the automobile era (like the Pennsylvania Turnpike) from those of the pre-automobile era. I suggest changing the title of the "Historic trails and roads in the United States" article to clarify, but I am not sure the best way to do that. We might need to further differentiate between trails that were just dirt paths hacked through flora from roads engineered like the Roman roads, such as the National Road or the various pre-automobile turnpikes. VC 15:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, per above. Libcub (talk) 02:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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