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Cartoon links?
[edit]Can some external links to some of his cartoons be given? DryGrain 18:29, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Wish we could upload one, but I expect copyrights do not allow. Beanbatch 21:05, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
- Mauldin won a Pulitzer prize for this cartoon, which is hosted on the Library of congress website. (linked from here). I noticed in a few other places that US government images seem to be okay to use, although I'm not entirely certain what the status is since although the LoC has a copy, Maudlin may be retaining rights. Can we upload that image? -- Bachrach44 14:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
- I definately think that the classic WW2 cartoons can be posted: they should be in the public domain. After all, Maudlin was a sergeant in active duty, creating the cartoons for an official army publication. So I think we could post the cartoons with the template
- Mauldin won a Pulitzer prize for this cartoon, which is hosted on the Library of congress website. (linked from here). I noticed in a few other places that US government images seem to be okay to use, although I'm not entirely certain what the status is since although the LoC has a copy, Maudlin may be retaining rights. Can we upload that image? -- Bachrach44 14:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
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- I'd do it myself, except that I'm on a public computer which doesn't allow me to download files from the internet, so I can't move them to commons. But someone who's able should go ahead and do it--it would certainly add a lot to this articleErudy (talk) 23:53, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Needs a list of Mauldin's published books as only a filmography is here. With the new biography by DePastino, Mauldin's "Up Front" and "Willie and Joe: The WWII Years" are now in print among those out-of-print like "Back Home." --chacal la chaise (talk) 03:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
- Bill wrote his own autobiographies...so why buy the new book by DePastino? A sort of a Saga is FUNNY. They need to reprint that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.75.11 (talk) 13:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
- DePastino had access to stuff Bill did not necessarily have ... especially once his unfortunate decline set in ... and also has a more objective POV. Nothing wrong with Bill's stuff ... it's all great ... but DePastino is well worth a read. rewinn (talk) 05:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps his most famous one is missing from the article - the one where a GI faces away from his damaged Jeep, covers his face with one hand, and aims his .45 pistol at the vehicle with the other. Banjodog (talk) 03:03, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Cartoon in MASH Episode?
[edit]- One Mauldin Cartoon shows a US cavarylman about to shoot his "Jeep". In MASH 4.5 Potter shoots his destroyed Jeep after Major Burns ran a tank over the jeep. Any connectionb between the cartoon and the TV show? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.178 (talk) 18:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- The character of Colonel Potter was an avid horseman. He had a horse and rode it around every now and then, if I recall correctly. I'd say it was more likely a play on Potter's personality than a tribute to the cartoon by Mauldin. I could always be wrong, though.~ (The Rebel At) ~ 21:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- That is very likely, but I bet every WWII veteran who served in the European theatre & who watched that scene immediately thought of Mauldin's cartoon. That cartoon was Mauldin's favorite. -- llywrch (talk) 04:12, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- The character of Colonel Potter was an avid horseman. He had a horse and rode it around every now and then, if I recall correctly. I'd say it was more likely a play on Potter's personality than a tribute to the cartoon by Mauldin. I could always be wrong, though.~ (The Rebel At) ~ 21:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- I am trying to find another WWII artist, but every search I do comes back to Mauldin, so I thought someone expert on him might be familiar with the other guy. It is a book my parents had years ago. Not actually cartoons, no words, but very detailed drawings of soldiers in foreign scenes which were often poignantly funny. I don't recall actual fighting scenes, more the other aspects of a soldier's life. I think the artist must have been a soldier or possibly a war correspondent. Without the guy's name my searches are going nowhere. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks much, SoragoiSoragoi (talk) 23:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Bibliography?
[edit]The bibliography needs work. I hope to get to it someday but feel free to do it anyone who wants! (I moved the Fantagraphics information out of the biography section since it didn't even happen in his lifetime.) rewinn (talk) 05:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
"Bill, Willie and Joe"....
[edit]...By David Lamb in Military History Quarterly, Summer '89, seems to be the actual source of the "Soldiers were peasants to him" quote; which I haven't found so far in "The Brass Ring." It does show up in Stephen Ambrose's intro to a reprint of "Up Front." Anmccaff (talk) 23:16, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- As always, I could be wrong about that quote; hoping to get home early enough tonight to dig out my Mauldin books and have a look. Unfortunately, I don't subscribe to Military History Quarterly... :-) DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 00:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, found the Military History Quarterly reference and cited it. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 22:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
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Bill Mauldin - Willie & Joe WWIII Cartoons
[edit]I have read that either Time or Life or a similar magazine ran a WWIII feature in the 1950s and that for that feature they had persuaded Bill Mauldin to supply Willie & Joe cartoons for an issue, which, if I remember correctly was presented as a retrospective feature entitled "The war we did not want." Supposedly these cartoons have never been republished. Graham1973 (talk) 10:37, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
False Peanuts info
[edit]The article includes the claim "Mauldin drew Willie and Joe for publication one last time on Veterans Day in 1998 for a Peanuts comic strip, in collaboration with its creator Charles M. Schulz, also a World War II veteran. Schulz signed the strip "Schulz, and my hero ..." with Mauldin's signature underneath.[22]"
While this strip exists, Mauldin did not draw the characters for this usage. Rather, Schulz swiped the figures from an existing Mauldin cartoon. You can see this documented on my blog. (Yes, it's a self-published source, but as neither Mauldin nor Schulz is a living person, and as I'm a recognized information source regarding Peanuts, this should get around WP:SPS.
I am not making this edit myself due to having retired from editing Wikipedia, but I've seen this error propogated lately, so I thought I'd call it out. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:12, 12 November 2021 (UTC) ADDED: This can also be confirmed with this tweet from Benjamin L. Clark, curator of the Charles M. Schulz Museum. Could someone please remove the false claim, both from here and from the Willie and Joe article? --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:57, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
requested corrections
[edit]As I detail in the prior section, the article currently includes incorrect claims that Maudlin came out of retirement to draw Willie and Joe in a Peanuts strip. I am requesting a pair of edits to correct this situation.
- The final paragraph of the section "Postwar activities", which reads Mauldin drew Willie and Joe for publication one last time on Veterans Day in 1998 for a Peanuts comic strip, in collaboration with its creator Charles M. Schulz, also a World War II veteran. Schulz signed the strip "Schulz, and my hero ..." with Mauldin's signature underneath.[22], should be removed.
- In the section "Peanuts", the paragraph that currently reads From 1969 to 1998, cartoonist Charles M. Schulz (himself a veteran of World War II) regularly paid tribute to Bill Mauldin in his Peanuts comic strip on Veterans Day. In the strips, Snoopy, dressed as an army vet, would annually go to Mauldin's house to "quaff a few root beers and tell war stories." By the end of the strip Schulz had depicted 17 of Snoopy's visits. Schulz also paid tribute to Rosie the Riveter in 1976, and Ernie Pyle in 1997 and 1999.[28] should be expanded to From 1969 to 1998, [[cartoonist]] [[Charles M. Schulz]] (himself a veteran of World War II) regularly paid tribute to Bill Mauldin in his ''[[Peanuts]]'' [[comic strip]] on [[Veterans Day (United States)|Veterans Day]]. In the strips, [[Snoopy]], dressed as an army vet, would annually go to Mauldin's house to "quaff a few [[root beer]]s and tell war stories." By the end of the strip Schulz had depicted 17 of Snoopy's visits.<ref name="comicscom"> Schulz went so far as to include Willie and Joe in a 1998 strip, using a picture of the characters that had been copied out of a 1944 Mauldin panel.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://aaugh.com/wordpress/2006/09/that-schulzmauldin-collaboration/|title=That Schulz/Mauldin collaboration|website=The Aaugh Blog|last=Gertler|first=Nat|date=September 4, 2006}}</ref> Peanuts also paid tribute to [[Rosie the Riveter]] in 1976, and [[Ernie Pyle]] in 1997 and 1999.<ref name="comicscom">{{cite web |url=http://comics.com/peanuts/ |title=Peanuts by Schulz |publisher=Comics.com |quote=November 11 strips from 1969–70, '76, '79–81, '83, '85–89, '91–93, '96–99}}</ref>
I am not making these edits myself because I have a conflict of interest with them, as I am inserting my own work as a source. The blog is, yes, a self-published source, but I believe falls under the WP:SPS exception "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications." I have written histories of Peanuts for several publishers -- you can see one such book being cited by the Charles M. Schulz Museum And Research Center on this page] - and my writing on Peanuts and other comic strip topics have been published by reliable sources --here's an article that appeared in the print edition of American Heritage, here's one that appeared in the print edition of Hogan's Alley. --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:46, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Done.
Ernie Pyle got him syndicated in the US
[edit]January 15th, in Italy, Ernie Pyle focused an entire article on the Stars and Stripes cartoonist. It got Lee Miller, Ernie's editor, to get him syndicated state side through Ernie's distributor United Feature.
Referenced in Ernie's War: the best of Ernie Pyle's World War II Dispatches by Studs Terkel pages 197-199 2601:40E:101:A1F0:8929:DFA8:9B77:EA48 (talk) 06:15, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
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