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The Canada article is already too long (oversized) and should serve only as an introduction for topics on Canada in general. To keep this overview article concise, please consider adding information instead to one of the many "main" articles about individual topics that link from this article, e.g. History of Canada, Culture of Canada, Canadian football etc. See Index of Canada-related articles for a complete listing of topics. Why? see Wikipedia:Article size.

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Section size for Canada (37 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 12,522 12,522 Etymology 4,432 4,432 History 106 62,067 Indigenous peoples 12,324 12,324 European colonization 8,495 8,495 British North America 10,044 10,044 Confederation and expansion 7,542 7,542 Early 20th century 6,493 6,493 Contemporary era 17,063 17,063 Geography 6,901 21,373 Climate 5,522 5,522 Biodiversity 8,950 8,950 Government and politics 22,728 52,714 Law 6,805 6,805 Provinces and territories 4,922 4,922 Foreign relations 9,164 9,164 Military and peacekeeping 9,095 9,095 Economy 19,120 27,940 Science and technology 8,820 8,820 Demographics 7,122 32,402 Ethnicity 10,015 10,015 Languages 8,125 8,125 Religion 7,140 7,140 Health 8,805 8,805 Education 8,086 8,086 Culture 8,683 40,036 Symbols 4,979 4,979 Literature 3,859 3,859 Media 5,432 5,432 Visual arts 4,367 4,367 Music 5,603 5,603 Sports 7,113 7,113 See also 180 180 Notes 24 24 References 28 28 Further reading 6,456 6,456 External links 1,965 1,965 Total 279,030 279,030

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Demographics list removed

Hi. I noticed that the demographics list of the Canadian population is missing (or was removed) from the top of the main page on Canada. Is there a reason for this? I remember it listed there not too long and is shown when you click on the "Canadian" link under Demonym. I think this is a good way to instantly understand who the Canadian people are so I think it should be included back in. 47.23.177.234 (talk) 15:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Both Religion and Demographics have been deleted. I think it's a useful information, but regardless of what I prefer, not having them will make the article inconsistent with the rest of country articles. LibIchtnatz (talk) 14:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Canadian-Danish Realm Border

This was discussed last in February but I wish to bring it up again. Almost all country pages on Wikipedia have mentions of said nations bordering countries, or even just countries close by, in their lead. Exceptions include large countries like China and Russia with significant amounts of bordering nations, but both still mention the amount of countries bordered and provides a link to the their respective borders.
The Canadian-Danish Realm border, though small, is still an international border between sovereign states that should be mentioned in the lead. It is also apparently the third shortest land border in the world, which is notable. Zinderboff(talk) 15:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I had re-created Borders of Canada (which matches the idea of Borders of Mexico and Borders of the United States. Except the Canadian one was merely reduced to mere redirect to Canada-US relations. CaribDigita (talk) 16:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Problem we have is this is historically insignificant..... thus does not belong in the lead about a country. The lead is for significant facts and historical events...... not a laundry list. I would suggest the other articles need to be brought up to FA level as seen here.Moxy🍁 22:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Having a border with another country isn't really historically insignificant, it is a present fact. The process of acquiring said border probably isn't notable enough for the lead but not the border itself.
Fellow FAs India and Cameroon both dedicates most of their first paragraph mentioning all bordering countries, along with even maritime borders. When this was promoted to FA in 2006 this border wasn't a thing in existence, it is now. Canada is the only country article I have seen which lead doesn't mention all its bordering nations in some way. Zinderboff(talk) 02:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

India is a horrible example of an article to fallow.... Best we don't simply have a laundry list of examples... since we list the ocean territories. I simply don't see the need to list all 10 countries..... this isn't a geography article. That said let's see what others say. Moxy🍁 02:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

One of the reasons that borders get mentioned in the other articles is that those borders have major political and trade significance. India has been at war with two of its neighbouring countries, China and Pakistan, and was involved in the Pakistan civil war that resulted in Bangladesh. There are also trade issues between those countries, through their borders. Russia borders several countries that once were part of the USSR and also has a major war on with one of its neighbours, which in turn has caused one of its other neighbours, Finland, to join NATO. The borders of these countries have a major role in the internal politics and external affairs.

The Canadian border with the Danish realm has none of those features. Hans Island is remote and unpopulated. There are no trade implications. That portion of Nunavut and Greenland have very low populations. There are no conflicts over the island that are likely to lead to war; the Whiskey War was a civilized trading échange of flags, whiskey and schnapps. Denmark and Canada are NATO allies.

A short border on an uninhabited island, distant from most population centres, with no trade implications, and no military threats, is not sufficiently notable to appear in the lead, anymore than the maritime boundary with France. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Agree strongly with Moxy... this is 100% not lead-worthy. It can be mentioned elsewhere in the article or in other relevant articles but given how remote and uninhabited the area where the border is located is, it is clearly not suitable to mention it in this article's lead. —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Under the "Government and Politics" section, change "centre-left leaning Liberal Party of Canada" to "centre to centre-left leaning Liberal Party of Canada". This reflects the consensus in other articles that the Liberal Party of Canada is as much (if not more so) centrist as it is centre-left. Thecolonpagesaretoocomplicated (talk) 16:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

No need...... explain in the following sentence. Moxy🍁 22:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Error in table of "Largest metropolitan areas in Canada"

In the table titled "Largest metropolitan areas in Canada" there is an error: the column titled "Municipal pop." should say "Metropolitan pop.", as these are all populations of metropolitan areas.

For example, Montreal's 4.3 million is its metropolitan population as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_census_metropolitan_areas_and_agglomerations_in_Canada, compared to its municipal population of 1.8 million as per List of the largest municipalities in Canada by population. As the side is extended-protected I couldn't quickly figure out how to do it myself or make an edit request. Thanks! 142.126.42.190 (talk) 22:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Urgh... unfortunately that is generated by {{Template:Largest metropolitan areas of Canada}} which uses what I would definitely call a shitty template, {{Template:Largest cities}} (which has been put up multiple times for deletion and I can very much understand why), which says it has options to switch to refer to metropolitan areas but which I, at least, definitely cannot get it to do so. I don't have template editor rights so I can't see if there's an actual error in "Largest cities" but its documentation is... uhm... limited. It might be that making List of cities in Canada by metropolitan population redirect to List of census metropolitan areas and agglomerations in Canada could make it work.

I have, at least, made "Municipal pop." link to List of census metropolitan areas and agglomerations in Canada instead of to a list of lists (🙄) page because you're correct: we are listing the cities by the metro populations and not their municipal ones, otherwise Vancouver would not be number 3.

Happy if anyone who knows more template wizardry can jump in and improve the situation... am thinking we should maybe just change {{Template:Largest metropolitan areas of Canada}} to not rely on the "Largest cities" template. —Joeyconnick (talk) 17:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Update Canadian population

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Update Canadian population from 40,769,890 (2024 Q1) to 41,012,563 (2024 Q2). It's from the same source updated (Population estimates, quarterly). ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 12:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done as seen here..... Drop archive link as this has been a live web page for 10 years and an archive page will not verify the updated information.Moxy🍁 19:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I reverted because, as happened last time, the archive in the citation was not updated. Last time I fixed it myself—this time, please update the archive attached to the citation when updating the population. —Joeyconnick (talk) 21:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good we'll see who will get to it. Moxy🍁 21:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done Tollens (talk) 06:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Perfect thank you..... I take it there's some sort of tool for archive websites? Moxy🍁 20:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes there definitely is. It's all over Wikipedia. (There are others but that is the main one.) —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

GDP per capita is smaller due to current population

Current government estimate puts Canada's population at 41.4 million, likely to cross 42 million by January 2025 with current growth rates. But due to the large amount of immigration being ethnic Jatt Sikhs, the GDP per capita has gone down due to dead-end job salaries in most positions and more people. 2605:8D80:405:84B1:7424:BB2:558B:4A6A (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

some basic data for you Moxy🍁 17:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Introduction Edit request

Canada now has an official border with Denmark on Hans island, I think this should be included here (see: https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/hans-island-border/) Cjohnson70 (talk) 03:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Already included in the Geography section of the article. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)