Talk:Ernst Andres

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Notability

Does not meet WP:SOLDIER & sig RS coverage not found link.

Please also see a note at MilHist Talk Archives for background behind the redirect.

K.e.coffman (talk) 04:22, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Notable due to his status as a Flying ace with a high claimed kills counts. As you can see in List of World War II flying aces - flyers with a much smaller kill count have articles - with the notability being their kill count and nothing else. Being an aerial ace (with a significant count for a particular conflict - 5 would be borderline for WWII, but would confer significance in any other conflict - mid-double digits and up for WWII is clearly significant). notable per SOLDIER: " Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign" - kill counts of these magnitude are a significant material and personnel (aviation - expensive to train) advantage. Soviets were competitive in the air from the end of 1942 and onward - and in event taking out a regiment sized enemy force - Aviation regiment (Soviet Union) single handed is significant regardless of opposition quality. The high kill count of the top German aviators was just due to enemy opposition - but because they kept on flying combat ops (as opposed to being tasked to training / command) - until they died / severely wounded / war ended - this was detrimental to the German effort on a strategic level, but on a personal level allowed very skilled pilots to shine (gaining significant experience and improving beyond the level of other forces with a saner personnel mgmt strategy).Icewhiz (talk) 11:09, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Redirect

Restoring the redirect. Successful completion of missions (sorties flown, # of enemy aircraft shot down, etc) is not part of SOLDIER. A MilHist RfC on this topic has failed to gain consensus in May of 2017:

• MilHist:RfC on the notability of flying aces.

For a relevant AfD, please see:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fritz Lüddecke, which closed as "Delete" in September 2017.

Please also see the discussion with the editor who had earlier objected to the redirect: Link. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:22, 20 September 2017 (UTC)