Talk:Eurovision Song Contest

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Section sizes

Section size for Eurovision Song Contest (34 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 6,906 6,906 Origins and history 14,985 17,070 Naming 2,085 2,085 Format 6,959 8,122 Selection 1,163 1,163 Participation 11,441 11,441 Hosting 5,501 17,770 Eurovision logo and theme 4,030 4,030 Preparations 8,239 8,239 Rules 1,771 31,559 Song eligibility and languages 3,816 3,816 Artist eligibility and performances 5,235 5,235 Running order 3,807 3,807 Voting 6,960 10,478 Presentation of the votes 3,518 3,518 Broadcasting 6,452 6,452 Expansion of the contest 2,406 14,801 Pre-selections and relegation 3,882 3,882 The "Big Four" and "Big Five" 3,912 3,912 Introduction of semi-finals 4,601 4,601 Entries and participants 29,557 36,325 Winners 6,768 6,768 Interval acts and guest appearances 11,488 11,488 Criticism and controversy 529 40,877 Musical style and presentation 5,129 5,129 Political controversies 14,553 14,553 Political and geographical voting 8,178 8,178 LGBT visibility 12,488 12,488 Cultural influence 7,696 7,696 Special events and related competitions 11,878 11,878 Notes 26 26 References 30 1,958 Sources 1,928 1,928 External links 833 833 Total 218,750 218,750

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Theme

The discussion is extracted from this talk. Should the main ESC page display the permanent slogan in the infobox like the annual pages do? Smthngnw (talk) 09:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Agree. The slogans for the ESC had been a significant part of the shows like the logo in terms of representation, broadcasting and marketing. Since the introduction of the permanent slogan from now on the whole show keeps the same slogan. I don't see a problem in keeping the consistency between an annual contest page and the main page when they both have a permanent theme. Smthngnw (talk) 09:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't see the need, which is also what the other participant felt in the discussion you linked above. Choosing a slogan moving forward does not override past branding. Please also see here, which is discussing individual year pages and templates. Grk1011 (talk) 12:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  And the current ESC logo in the infobox doesn't override the past branding. I don't understand your point. Smthngnw (talk) 15:02, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Sponsors

Moroccanoil has been a main sponsor and presenting partner for the ESC since 2020 (see links here and here). Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere? Especially with the current criticisms of Israel's participation, and the fact that Moroccanoil has its production in Israel (link). No matter your opinion on the ongoing conflict, I think that information should be included for transparency. EiffelHenry (talk) 13:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Unless the link between Moroccanoil and Israel's participation in the contest is explicitly mentioned in relevant sources, this would be a WP:SYNTH issue and violate Wikipedia's WP:OR policies. Additionally, I'm not sure how the contest's commercial interests and sponsorships are relevant to the article on the contest itself. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Fair points. Here are some newspaper articles mentioning the potential link between Moroccanoil and Israel's participation: source (Swedish), source (English), and source (English).

I think you're right that this information doesn't fit here. Perhaps it would go under "Incidents and controversies" of Eurovision Song Contest 2024, or somewhere in Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest 2024? EiffelHenry (talk) 17:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

French name in the opening paragraph

If every country has a different name for ESC, why is the French one specified? 2A02:1810:C419:4700:65B9:C390:C431:4697 (talk) 19:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

The Naming sub-section probably guides us here. It tells us that the event first had both an English and a French name, and that on only four occasions has the name used not been in English or French. So the French language has a kind of special status when it comes to naming. HiLo48 (talk) 02:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

The official languages of the European Broadcasting Union, the contest organisers, are English and French, therefore it has dual official names. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)