Talk:Henri de Tonti

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Nationalistic debate

To take this edit war over here - this isn't even my fight. I was just going by the comments which explicitly state not to do this. Italy did not exist yet. Tonti spent his life in the service of France anyway. Calling him "Italian" is anachronistic in the same way that calling Julius Caesar "Italian" is anachronistic. SnowFire (talk) 03:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Italians are an ethnic group and his father was born in the Kingdom of Naples. Sicily was a separate Kingdom. The two were briefly united after the Napoleonic wars in the Kingdom of Two Sicilies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_de_Tonti

LambdofGod (talk) 09:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

It seems as if the confusion is from the Kingdom of Naples calling itself the "Kingdom of Sicily" as well. I agree he was born there, but the kingdom referred to itself as the "Kingdom of Sicily", so calling Tonti Sicilian seems valid still. I would rather omit the nationality altogether rather than use "Italian" though, which as noted above is anachronistic - the idea of an Italian people hadn't formed yet, either, so I'm not buying the ethnic group argument. SnowFire (talk) 18:36, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

The official name was Kingdom of Naples. They claimed Sicily and the title of Kingdom of Sicily as well but they never controlled the Island, so it's irrelevant. Russia claimed to be Roman Empire as well, but everyone considered them to be Russians.

Italian identinty dates back to the Roman Repubblic and the Renaissance. Stop trolling thread. LambdofGod (talk) 20:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)