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Section size for Iran–Iraq War (102 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 32,399 32,399 Background 15 24,867 Iran–Iraq relations 2,317 2,317 After the Iranian Revolution 10,575 10,575 Iranian military preparations 6,584 6,584 Iraqi military preparations 1,475 1,475 Khuzestan 1,230 1,230 Border conflicts leading up to the war 2,671 2,671 Course of the war 65 161,972 1980: Iraqi invasion 9,641 13,198 First Battle of Khorramshahr 1,687 1,687 Iraqi advance stalls 1,870 1,870 1981: Stalemate 1,864 17,883 Battle of Dezful 6,550 6,550 Attack on H3 2,625 2,625 Introduction of human wave attacks 4,335 4,335 Operation Eighth-Imam 1,374 1,374 Operation Tariq al-Quds 1,135 1,135 1982: Iraqi retreat, Iranian offensive 1,372 9,820 Operation Fath ol-Mobin 2,019 2,019 Operation Beit ol-Moqaddas 1,952 3,280 Second Battle of Khorramshahr 1,328 1,328 State of Iraqi armed forces 3,149 3,149 Early international response 8,079 12,593 Ceasefire proposal 4,514 4,514 Iran invades Iraq and Iraqi tactics in response 4,355 11,855 Operation Ramadan (First Battle of Basra) 5,353 5,353 Final operations of 1982 2,147 2,147 1983–84: Stalemate and war of attrition 2,261 16,825 Operation Before the Dawn 2,270 2,270 Dawn Operations 3,388 3,388 Iran's change in tactics 4,162 4,162 Battle of the Marshes 4,744 4,744 Tanker war and the war of the cities 524 13,534 Attacks on shipping 8,401 8,401 Attacks on cities 3,317 3,317 Strategic situation in 1984 1,292 1,292 1985–86 Iraqi offensives 2,235 5,618 Operation Badr 3,383 3,383 Iranian counteroffensives 3,977 15,900 First Battle of al-Faw 3,488 3,488 Battle of Mehran 1,810 1,810 Situation at the end of 1986 2,932 2,932 Iraq's dynamic defense strategy 3,693 3,693 1987–88: Renewed Iranian Offensives 1,473 4,722 Operation Karbala-4 1,226 1,226 Karbala-5 (Sixth Battle of Basra) 1,030 1,030 Karbala-6 993 993 Iranian war-weariness 3,918 6,340 Strategic situation in late 1987 2,422 2,422 Air and tanker war 6,537 6,537 1988: Final Iraqi offensives 2,218 15,250 Iran's Kurdistan Operations 2,962 2,962 Second Battle of al-Faw 3,100 3,100 Operation Praying Mantis 1,213 1,213 Iranian counteroffensive 739 739 Operation Forty Stars 1,640 1,640 Tawakalna ala Allah operations 3,378 3,378 Iran accepts the ceasefire 5,373 11,832 Operation Mersad and end of the war 6,459 6,459 Aftermath 14 22,451 Casualties 5,400 5,400 Peace talks and postwar situation 10,992 10,992 Economic situation 3,837 3,837 Science and technology 2,208 2,208 Domestic situation 23 14,857 Iraq 2,342 4,623 Gaining civilian support 2,281 2,281 Iran 4,380 10,211 Civil unrest 1,408 1,408 Economy 4,423 4,423 Comparison of Iraqi and Iranian military strength 5,949 5,949 Foreign support to Iraq and Iran 5,356 18,644 Iraq 4,660 7,020 Financial support 2,360 2,360 Iran 4,056 4,056 Aid to both countries 2,212 2,212 U.S. involvement 3,516 12,446 U.S. embargo 2,456 2,456 U.S. knowledge of Iraqi chemical weapons use 944 944 Iraqi attack on U.S. warship 3,286 3,286 U.S. military actions toward Iran 1,077 2,244 Iran Air Flight 655 1,167 1,167 Iraq's use of chemical weapons 17,036 17,036 Comparison to other conflicts 11,689 11,689 Iran and Iraq's modern relationship 5,868 5,868 Legacy and memory 3,553 3,553 See also 662 4,385 Notable Iranian veterans 2,013 2,013 Notable Iranian casualties 463 463 Notable Iraqi veterans 401 401 Notable Iraqi casualties 73 73 Persons 354 354 Memoirs 147 147 Stories 132 132 Relevant conflicts 140 140 Notes 619 619 References 63 4,869 Citations 31 31 Sources 4,775 4,775 Further reading 1,509 1,509 External links 1,827 1,827 Total 344,940 344,940

Arms suppliers in infobox

Skitash, "arm suppliers" in the infobox is just "supported by" by anoher name. Adding such information to the infobox is deprecated - see Template: Infobox military conflict where a link is provided to the associated RfC. While not totally prohibited, such inclusion requires a strong affirmative consensus (ie an RfC). See the close of the linked RfC for details. No such consensus exists for the material you would add. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

"Supported by" is broad and can encompass various forms of support, including political backing, military assistance, advisory roles, or arms suppliers. This broadness was a key reason editors decided to omit the use of "supported by" on the infobox RfC. In contrast, "Major arms suppliers" is more specific, clearly indicating to readers the type of support being referred to. Moreover, this has been present in the article consistently until it was removed in October without consensus here. Are you suggesting that we need to initiate RfCs for individual articles? Skitash (talk) 10:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

That is what the close says. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Solution to Article Length

Hello! This article most certainly qualifies under WP:SPLIT to be split as it is well over 25,000 words. Here are a couple solutions that might help:

• Split the "Background" section into its own article
• Split the "Aftermath" section into its own article (and include the "Legacy and Memory" section).
• Merge "Iran and Iraq's Modern Relationship" into Iran–Iraq relations.

Any consensus would be great. Garsh (talk) 01:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

USS Stark Incident

Currently the section for this notes that an Iraqi Mirage fighter jet fired the missiles at the USS Stark--but shouldn't this read more like "a modified Dassault Falcon 50" fired the missiles, or something along those lines (in correct wikipedia syntax of course)

I didn't want to make the edit because I've got no idea how to cite anything, but the USS Stark Incident page cites the following (along with two other relevant citations): https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-modified-iraqi-falcon-50-business-jet-nearly-destroyed-us-frigate-66772

Worth noting I suppose that the Stark initially thought it was a Mirage fighter, perhaps that led to the confusion? 2603:8080:7400:DF2:452:8089:9BB5:7889 (talk) 17:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

How the war started, and the addition of Iranian attempting to provoke war.

I have been studying the Iran-Iraq war for a couple of years now, and something the wikipedia page does not cover is how much iran actually provoked Iraq into an attack, also the page includes stuff about how Saddams regime wanted to take kuzhesthan, but this dosent have much sufficent evidence, and alot of sources differ, expescially considering Iraq had accepted a cease-fire on september the 28th, 4 days after the war offically started, which they wouldnt have accepted if they had wanted to taken iranian land,

"Within days, Iraqi forces invaded Iran. At the same time, Iraq bombed Iranian air bases and other strategic targets. In the week following the invasion, the UN Security Council called for a cease-fire and appealed to Iran and Iraq to settle their dispute peacefully. The Iraqi president replied, saying that Iraq would accept a cease-fire provided Iran did as well. Iran’s response, however, was negative. The war thus continued and in succeeding years was extended to the gulf area."[1]Source,

Also before this, Saddam had constanly praised and congraulated Khomeini on his success, with Saddam quoting in one of his speeches, "We congraulate the Iranian people on there freedom.', even after Khomeini announced that the shias must rise up and get rid of the "Infidel" Saddam Hussein, Saddam responded yet again with praise, just wanting to establish mutual ties, instead, Iran constantly had border skirmishes, and launched artillery strikes onto the Iraqi side of the shatt-al arab, and even on populated towns.

The Iran–Iraq War: 1980–1988, Osprey Publishing "It is difficult to pinpoint when tensions began to build, but there were frequent cross-border skirmishes, largely at Iran's instigation. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called on Iraqis to overthrow the Ba'ath government, which was received with considerable anger in Baghdad. On 17 July 1979, despite Khomeini's call, Saddam gave a speech praising the Iranian Revolution and called for an Iraqi-Iranian friendship based on non-interference in each other's internal affairs. When Khomeini rejected Saddam's overture by calling for Islamic revolution in Iraq, Saddam was alarmed. Iran's new Islamic administration was regarded in Baghdad as an irrational, existential threat to the Ba'ath government, especially because the Ba'ath party, having a secular nature, discriminated and posed a threat to the Shia movement in Iraq, whose clerics were Iran's allies within Iraq and whom Khomeini saw as oppressed."

If anyone wants aswell, i have documented violations by the Iranians on iraqi land pre-war, which are up to a 100 documented cases of Iranian violations of Iraqi soverignity, the war (unoffically) started on september 4th according to the Iraqi's, which wouldnt be far-feched, due to the fact the Iranians were already attacking Iraqi towns with artillery and attempted to assainate Tariz Aziz, which failed, and instead killed several Iraqi Students, which was one of the reasons Iraq decided to cross the border, the war was meant to last only a week, just to warn the Iranians, and attempt to force-khomeini into argeeing to non-aggression, which is why Iraq agreed to UN security councils proposal for peace.

The Myth of Iraq wanting kuzehstan is extremely debunkable, it has been proven countless times, that Iraq did not want to annex any Iranian-land, both Saddam publically declared this, and so did his Ambassdor.

"We have no claim or ambition in any Iranian territory at all, we have just said that defintely." - Sa'dun Hammadi

"So the Iraqi army will withdraw from the east bank of the Shatt-al-arab?" - Interviewer

"Certainly." - Sa'dun Hammadi

I have loads of archived footage, and videos, and documents etc etc if anyone wants more proof, the above interview was filmed, i have the footage of it if anyone wants, i am just seeking approval to make the large-ish edit to the article, to include a more correct version. Local Mandaean (talk) 02:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Sino Soviet split and Arab Israeli conflict

The USSR supported Iraq while China supported Iran. Also Israel launched an airstrike on the Iraqi nuke reactor Operation Opera 2A00:23EE:2738:4326:451E:A45E:F52B:498B (talk) 13:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)