Talk:Metis (mythology)

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Comments I

Please check it. Metis's husband is not Zeus is Cronus and Zeus is Metis' son. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.98.204.49 (talk) 05:08, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I just fixed a hanging quote for "royal metis" of Zeus (the end quote had been left off), but I had no idea what it was quoting if anything so added a citation-needed tag. If it's a direct quote, does the quote include the "of Zeus"? And if it's not a direct quote, what's it mean? In the passage "royal metis" is contrasted with trickery using magical powers, and so would mean Zeus's lightning bolts etc., but it might also mean royal wisdom and so the quote is unclear and needs a citation. 70.157.33.51 19:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Metis wasn't titan. Titans first 12 were: Oceanus Crius Coeus Iapetus Phoebe Tethys Cronus Rhea Themis Mnemosyne Hyperion Theia. In the table Titans is mistake, instead Metis must be Cronus! Change it who can. (from lt wiki Atlantas.)

She was a Titan, actually. Or rather, the daughter of two Titans (and thus technically a Titanness, or at least that's the case in my understanding). And the original goddess of Wisdom. See Hesiod's Theogony. -Elizabennet 04:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the first poster here is right. Even though the parents, Oceanus and Tethys, were both Titans, that does not make Metis a Titan. As a daughter of Oceanus and Tethys, Metis is technically an Oceanid, according to online sources (Oceanids) as well as my textbook, Classical Myth by Powell. --Nanodeath 18:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Scratch that. I've been informed that while she wasn't one of THE Titans, the Oceanids were Titans, technically. Sorry about that. --Nanodeath 20:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, can someone cite a reliable source that states that Metis was turned into a fly before Zeus ate her? I have found a couple sources that agree with what is said [1] [2] but they don't cite their sources either. A source to an original work would be helpful. --Nanodeath 19:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I've modified the opening para. to make the "Titan" reference less cut-and-dried, per objections above. (The telling question is, which is primary, Titans or the twelveness of them?) The "fly" was introduced from the start, by User:Aranel, who hasn't been editing since 2005. Bibliotheke says only that Metis "turned into many shapes in order to avoid his embraces." The fly may be a "logical" interrpolation as easier to swallow than a horse: see "There was an old lady who swallowed a fly..." --Wetman 21:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

---Ummm, zeus did not ever nor did ever eat her! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.103.186.3 (talk) 17:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Reference 9 doesn't justify the misogynous text that cites the current reference 9 instead of tis link https://www.encyclopedia.com/medicine/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/reproduction-myths please check it — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxSaiffe (talk • contribs) 09:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@MaxSaiffe:  Done Peaceray (talk) 20:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Metis after she was swallowed

What happened to her afterwards? So Zeus swallowed her, and she stil gave birth to Athena, who came out of her daddy's forehead. OK. But did Metis ever get out? --SidiLemine 11:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

She never escaped her husband, but instead offered him advice that only he could hear (since she was inside of him). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.81.181.107 (talk) 20:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Comments II

1. Mètis and Metis: I believe it's necessary to have a unified spelling or have the two versions of the name at the top.

2. "Metis was the one who gave Zeus a potion for Cronus to vomit out all his siblings." At least one more version exists and Gaia gives a potion to Zeus.

3. "Athena leaped from Zeus's head, fully grown, armed, and armored, and Zeus was none the worse for the experience." I am not sure the second part of this sentence makes sense.

ICE77 (talk) 22:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Off-topic source material

2.15.13 -- Removed obvious off-topic source material dealing with a "re-imagining" of Metis rather than historical source material for the Greek goddess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.72.172 (talk) 08:37, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Names crossed out

The genealogy needs to explain why some names are crossed out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.236.221.104 (talk) 03:13, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Titaness and Oceanid

Metis is referred to as a Titaness and a Oceanid but often as a Titaness rather than her sisters like Perse, Asia/Clymene, Pleione or Doris that are typically called Oceanids. I agree that Metis is part of the second generation of Titans (she was the daughter of Oceanus and Tethys). However, is there a reason why articles label Asia/Clymene or Doris primarily as Oceanids?

ICE77 (talk) 20:10, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 8 April 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below; no consensus that this article is the primary topic for the search term "Metis." Dekimasuよ! 17:09, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

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• Metis (mythology) → Metis
• Metis → Metis (disambiguation)

– Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, Métis and Metis can coexist as separate articles. As for the moon, this article gets a great deal more pageviews and popularity. Therefore it is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Metis. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 17:14, 8 April 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 01:28, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

• Support --Katolophyromai (talk) 19:25, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
• Support. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:50, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
• Support, per this pageview analysis. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 21:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. Too easily confused with Métis, which many will spell without the acute. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:25, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
• Strong oppose Not more significant that the Métis whose name is often spelled without the accent. [3] [4] Ribbet32 (talk) 20:00, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nom. A hatnote can cover for any mistaken visitors. -- Netoholic @ 03:33, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. Agree that a hatnote should suffice to distinguish the topics. P Aculeius (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
• Support per SMALLDETAILS. CookieMonster755✉ 01:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not even close having the majority of page views when including Métis, Métis in Canada, etc.,[5] the names of which are often spelled without the accent as Ribbet32 shows. The current setup with Metis as the dab page is better than sending potentially thousands of readers to the wrong article.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:39, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, hatnotes will be sufficient to address that. It is clear that Métis is the only official name for the tribe and Metis is an incorrect spelling. That shouldn't disqualify Metis the goddess from having primary topic when we have hatnotes to steer people to the right place, just like Isis is still there despite ISIS also existing and being a far more popular search term._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 00:52, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
    • But very many people cannot type the é symbol, but substitute e . Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:31, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
      • I would certainly support making Métis a specifically mentioned item in the hatnote. It should read "For the indigenous people, see Métis. For other uses, see Metis (disambiguation)". That way it would involve the exact same number of steps that someone typing it in would take if they were directed to the disambiguation page._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 07:41, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
        • WP:SMALLDETAILS means that Métis is a distinct title, because few would include é looking for anything else. But "Metis" is not a distinct title because many people would and do spell the name of the ethnic group as "Metis". As such, moving the mythological figure to the base name would result in potentially a lot of readers being sent to the wrong article.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
          • There's a difference between "many people" and "encyclopedic sources". It is clear that they refer to themselves with the accent, as shown in this encyclopedia article. The Métis National Council is spelled with the accent and it is based on a French word. It's more likely that uses without the accent are due to typographical limitations. I expect most people who don't type "Metis people" to click through the page on the goddess, but it takes the same number of steps as clicking through the disambiguation page since it will be mentioned front and center._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:01, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
            • The goal of disambiguation is to get readers where they want to go, and it's obvious that many readers will search for or click on the phrase Metis looking for the people. At any rate, there are, and always have been, reliable sources that do spell the people's name as "Metis".[6][7][8] The mythical figure is simply not the most significant or searched for article that could by called "Metis". As such, it's better for Metis to be a disambiguation page, with the mythical figure appropriately marked out as "Metis (mythology)".--Cúchullain ^t/c 16:11, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per User:Cuchullain and User:Ribbet32. Note these pageview counts. —  AjaxSmack  01:43, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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Grammer

The grammar across the article is inconsistent, amendment suggested. 2001:569:BEF9:7000:1EC:A4A3:B637:FDC4 (talk) 08:56, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

If you see something that you think is wrong, feel free to fix it. Please be more careful than you were when you made this title though. -- Fyrael (talk) 13:17, 27 April 2022 (UTC)