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Section size for North Carolina (54 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 13,849 13,849 History 48 66,026 Native Americans, lost colony, and permanent settlement 10,854 10,854 Anglo-European settlement 7,400 7,400 Colonial period 11,598 11,598 Revolutionary War 6,569 6,569 Antebellum period 5,608 5,608 American Civil War 7,971 7,971 Reconstruction era through late 19th century 8,161 8,161 Early through mid-20th century 3,593 3,593 Late 20th century to present 4,224 4,224 Geography 7,812 35,066 Flora and fauna 62 62 Major rivers 65 65 Climate 17,282 17,282 Parks and recreation 2,921 2,921 Major cities 3,982 3,982 Most populous counties 1,168 1,168 Statistical areas 1,774 1,774 Demographics 4,963 26,799 Race and ethnicity 10,079 10,079 Languages 2,480 2,480 Religion 9,277 9,277 Economy 9,376 9,376 Arts and culture 2,033 20,621 TV and film 186 186 Music 6,995 6,995 Shopping 1,377 1,377 Cuisine and agriculture 6,049 6,049 Ships named for the state 863 863 State parks 602 602 Armed forces installations 2,516 2,516 Tourism 8,184 8,184 Transportation 2,642 3,581 Major highways 180 939 Primary Interstates 276 276 Auxiliary (three-digit) Interstates 483 483 Education 52 10,634 Primary and secondary education 4,149 4,149 Colleges and universities 6,433 6,433 Health 2,683 2,683 Media 2,090 2,090 Government and politics 7,485 23,476 Gerrymandering 15,991 15,991 Sports 5,000 5,000 See also 186 186 Notes 24 24 References 28 28 Works cited 1,845 1,845 Further reading 3,043 3,043 External links 64 3,176 General 705 705 Government and education 1,187 1,187 Other 1,220 1,220 Total 235,687 235,687

City --> Town?

The 'towns' of Cary and Chapel Hill are each listed in list of "cities." Should that be changed to major towns? Likewise, Wake Forest is listed as a city, which doesn't match its status of incorporation. Probably more. Gprobins (talk) 17:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

In North Carolina the only official difference between cities, towns, and villages is the word itself. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:11, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Reviewers needed

The James Davis (printer) article, (a Good Article) about the founder of colonial North Carolina's first printer, and publisher of North Carolina's first newspaper is currently undergoing an FA review. However, the review is progressing slowly and will be shut down if other reviewers don't get involved. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Is "North Carolina" a good article?

I was just wondering what people thought about the idea of relisting this article as a "Good Article" nominee. It has been almost 15 years since it was delisted from the title and it has certainly a better article from then. All opinions are welcome but the main question I'm asking is do you think it's ready to be nominated again? Thanks!

• Yes, It should be nominated.

• No, It shouldn't be nominated.

DiscoA340 (talk) 17:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

• If you think it should be re-nominated then go ahead and do so. Check out WP:BOLD. I recommend following the Good Article criteria. Also, I am wondering how this article got delisted in the first place. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 03:36, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

  I tried doing that a while ago but it was reverted, the person who did it said that I needed to get permission from the main editor which is hard to find on pages like these, which is why I made this RFC question. DiscoA340 (talk) 15:40, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

• No - Nominated now, this would almost certainly be quick-failed. There are several obstacles to this becoming a GA:

• There is information that is present in the lede that is not present in the body of the article, such as the population of Charlotte, the 2020 total state population estimate (the actual 2020 figures should be available now anyhow), and the claim that "The earliest evidence of human occupation in North Carolina dates back 10,000 years, found at the Hardaway Site." (the Hardaway site is mentioned in the body but is note described as the earliest evidence of human occupation in NC). The lede should act as a summary of the body of the article, and thus all this info should be in the body and appropriately cited. The lede on the whole might need reworking to be fully representative of the topic without simply focusing on a few historical events.
• There are many entirely unsourced paragraphs in the body of the article (the entirety of the Sports section!), and additional unsourced hanging sentences at the end of paragraphs. All information should be sourced to a WP:RS.
• There is some non-neutral language which would fail WP:NPOV e.g. "The City of Asheville is consistently voted as one of the top places to visit and live in the United States, known for its rich art deco architecture, mountain scenery and outdoor activities" (sourced to promotional tourist sites, no less) and "One of the more famous arts communities in the state is Seagrove, the handmade-pottery capital of the U.S." (more "famous" according to who?). The whole "Parks and recreation" section reads like a tourism brochure with phrases like "elegant theatres", etc..
• Some info is outdated, especially demographics in light of the 2020 census, we should not be relying on estimates from 2019 and before.
• Some reorganization of text and consolidation of sections and paragraphs should be done. The "Music" section is just a list of sentences. "Parks and recreation" and "State parks" should be merged. "Sports" should be a subsection of culture. We do not need a full subsection devoted to "Ships named for the state". Several of the transport related subsections are simply links to lists.
• A full on copy edit should be performed to fix MOS violations, improper capitalization, and other poor wording like "Tourism has also been big for the North Carolina economy" ("been big for" is a euphemistic way for saying "a major part of")
• Several key facts that would probably be necessary for the article to count as sufficiently "broad" per GA standards are missing. Here's a few:

• The only thing about about wildlife here is a link and a shoutout to longleaf pines and venus flytraps. More coverage of flora and fauna would be nice.
• The development of the post-Civil War tobacco, textiles, and furniture industries is not appropriately discussed (tobacco is the best represented).
• The Lumbee people of Robeson County constitute the largest Native American group east of the Mississippi, but are not mentioned once in the article.
• The states dialectal diversity is not adequately discussed (look for books written by linguist Walt Wolfram)
• Under the "media" section, no mention of The News & Observer (the most circulated paper in the state)
• The "Government and politics" probably out to mention the historical weakness of the governor and the strength of the legislature. Should also probably mention when the current state constitution was ratified.

• At the same time, some info is too detailed for the purposes of an article meant to represent the state. Information like "In the Conover–Hickory area, attractions include Hickory Motor Speedway, RockBarn Golf and Spa, home of the Greater Hickory Classic at Rock Barn; Catawba County Firefighters Museum, the SALT Block, and Valley Hills Mall" is not representative of statewide tourism. We also do not need to list every private religious university in the state here. We do not need to know here that Noni Bacca Winery won an international wine prize. The section about indigenous settlement before colonization focuses too much on the broader Mississippian culture without adequately tying it to NC.

This is basically a C-class article at best. This would need major work before it's GA ready. -Indy beetle (talk) 06:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

• Comment (invited by the bot) First IMO it's an overkill in one area and not enough in another to do an RFC regarding GA submittal. The "not enough" part is that it also needs to be the submitters' decision (not "just doing because folks decided") and they need to be responsive as such / in that role during the feedback process. Next, your RFC is different than / conflicts with its title. #1 The title in essence asks "is it already a good article? and #2 The RFC says "should it be submitted?" I'll answer #2, not #1. My suggestion is to do some work work on the areas described by Indy beetle (though I think that their standards are tougher than typical GA handling) and then submit it if you wish to. North8000 (talk) 12:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
• Comment to follow up from Indy beetle, as a resident of the Hickory area I can confirm that those statewide tourism claims for the area are ridiculous lol. Toa Nidhiki05 18:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• Add another Hickorian who finds that section laughable. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:10, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Pleased to see so many Tar Heels here. I once spent a night and two days in Hickory. My best memories were the cinnamon goat cheese from the farmer's market and the burger I had at Old Hickory Tap Room. -Indy beetle (talk) 10:04, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Tar Heels? No way, more like Wolfpack! Thepanthersfan201 (talk) 18:12, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Nope, neither one. I'm a Pirate.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 15:30, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

No

The biggest issue I see here would be the lack of sources and some information being completely biased. ZetaFive (talk) 02:28, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

incorrect data

I got confused trying to edit the page, so I thought that this could be a list of errata

The article has incorrect information.

State width is 560 mi. Source: https://sosnc.gov/divisions/publications/kids_page_geography Kvasikonkav (talk) 01:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Highland Clearances

Barely a mention of the Highland Clearances and that being a cause of Scots indentured servitude in the Americas. North Carolina has the largest population of Scots (and Scots-Irish ) descendants in the USA. Dava4444 (talk) 08:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)