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Atheist Ireland and Myers
[edit]Michael Nugent of Atheist Ireland wrote in 2015, "Atheist Ireland is publicly dissociating itself from the hurtful and dehumanising, hateful and violent, unjust and defamatory rhetoric of the atheist blogger PZ Myers."[1]
Atheist Ireland is the largest atheist organization in Ireland and it is a notable enough organization that Wikipedia has an article on it. Michael Nugent is a notable figure and Wikipedia has an article on him.
Shouldn't this matter be included in the article?Knox490 (talk) 08:22, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
- Which article? This one? It is already there. Look for "atheist ireland". Nugent is missing though. --Hob Gadling (talk) 19:30, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for your feedback and correcting me about this matter. And it's ok that Nugent's name remains missing from the article. The main weight/power of the proclamation is that it is from Atheist Ireland. Knox490 (talk) 20:49, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Michael Nugent and Myers
[edit]WP:NOTFORUM is policy. Please add any actionable proposal in a new section, with sources. Johnuniq (talk) 00:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC) |
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Michael Nugent, who is the president of Atheist Ireland, took Myers to task about his comments relating to bestiality. [2] Myers is primarily known for: his atheism; his opposition to creationism; desecrating a Communion host; his advocacy of leftist views (feminism, etc.); his his refusal to condemn bestiality and controversial remarks about bestiality. Wikipedia's Peter Singer article notes his views about bestiality[3], shouldn't the article on PZ Myers do likewise? Knox490 (talk) 21:14, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Hob Gadling, the Wikipedia article on the atheist Peter Singer mentions his very unusual stand on bestiality. (Redacted) So that is also highly unusual for a public figure to say, is it not? If Myers wrote 1,000 books, but said that bestiality can be acceptable in limited set of circumstances that would certainly stand out, would it not? If not, why wouldn't it stand out? (Redacted) Knox490 (talk) 12:38, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
As far as your experienced editor remark, I have been editing Wikipedia since 2011 and I am very familiar with its policies. And direct quotes from a person and commentary by a leading figure on a topic is certainly not cherry picking. And I would remind you that Wikipedia does not have extensive rules supporting seniority and that meritocracies are often far more efficient than seniority based systems. So your experienced editor remark is not a particularly relevant remark. New atheists and their supporters have a reputation for being militant/unreasonable and Wikipedia's article on New Atheism has an extensive criticism section which reflects this matter. I understand that you may be a new atheists and be very passionate about atheism. But I would ask you to temper your passion and stick to the facts. And the fact is that both PZ Myers and Peter Singer are both atheists who have made unusual remarks on bestiality and that civil societies around the world reject bestiality and this is reflected by many laws against bestiality and public disdain for bestiality around the world. Knox490 (talk) 14:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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Does he have any academic achievements? Papers published? Recognitions? Accolades? Anything?
[edit]Just wondering. 69.34.51.170 (talk) 05:48, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Many; find him on Google Scholar. But this article doesn't really tell about that, does it? Thanks for the heads-up. YoPienso (talk) 07:48, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
No, he is entirely non notable, just a blogger 98.7.192.88 (talk) 05:45, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- He has biology credentials and is notable for his education advocacy, hence this article's existence. You may want to nominate the article at WP:AFD if you think he does not meet Wikipedia inclusion requirements. This talk page is otherwise not a forum to discuss the topic, only to discuss article improvements. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 10:29, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Besides being a biology professor at a small campus in the hinterlands of Minnesota, he's mostly a blogger that often picks fights with others and whose blog commenters have been called "screechy monkeys" by Scienceblogger Chad Orzel.[12]
- Myers has made himself unpopular with many due his excessively combative nature and his sometimes tasteless comments. For example, his inappropriate and ill-timed commentary about the death of the popular comedian Robin Williams) didn't win him any friends. His fellow evolutionist/atheist Jerry Coyne wrote in response to Myers' commentary on the suicide of Robin Williams: "This is one of the most contemptible and inhumane things I've ever seen posted by a well-known atheist. It reeks of arrogance, of condescension, and especially of a lack of empathy for those who loved and admired Williams not because they knew him, but because he brought them happiness and made them think."[13]
- Myers also has a reputation for nastiness. The biologist Massimo Pigliucci said of Myers, "one cannot conclude this parade without mentioning P.Z. Myers, who has risen to fame because of a blog where the level of nastiness (both by the host and by his readers) is rarely matched anywhere else on the Internet..."[14]Knox490 (talk) 19:31, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Does this rant have a point? — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 15:17, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Now that you brought it up, I believe the article should be more be more neutral (NPOV). Right now, it is heavy pro PZ Myers and seems controlled by PZ Myers fans. An article in USA Today called Myers an "online provocateur" and an "eccentric voice".[15]Knox490 (talk) 23:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Talk pages are for actionable proposals to improve the article (specific text). They are not places where people can drop negative snippets and general complaints. WP:NOTFORUM applies. Johnuniq (talk) 00:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
- Now that you brought it up, I believe the article should be more be more neutral (NPOV). Right now, it is heavy pro PZ Myers and seems controlled by PZ Myers fans. An article in USA Today called Myers an "online provocateur" and an "eccentric voice".[15]Knox490 (talk) 23:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Does this rant have a point? — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 15:17, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Myers also has a reputation for nastiness. The biologist Massimo Pigliucci said of Myers, "one cannot conclude this parade without mentioning P.Z. Myers, who has risen to fame because of a blog where the level of nastiness (both by the host and by his readers) is rarely matched anywhere else on the Internet..."[14]Knox490 (talk) 19:31, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Should the USA Today material be used in order to indicate that Myers has been called an "online provocateur" and an "eccentric voice"? Fellow evolutionists/atheists Jerry Coyne/Massimo Pigliucci appear to concur that Myers can be unnecessarily combative and also mean-spirited in his online commentary as I noted above.Knox490 (talk) 00:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
- Edit the article and see what happens. The trick would be to find a place where such text could be added while satisfying WP:DUE. At any rate, negative views should be based on a secondary source. Johnuniq (talk) 01:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback. That is an entirely reasonable approach. I will keep that in mind for other articles too.Knox490 (talk) 01:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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