Talk:Renewable energy

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Section sizes

Section size for Renewable energy (48 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 9,882 9,882 Overview 1,867 16,842 Definition 2,500 2,500 Role in addressing climate change 1,552 1,552 Other benefits 1,435 1,435 Intermittency 6,360 9,488 Electrical energy storage 3,128 3,128 Mainstream technologies 1,680 44,460 Solar energy 4,749 11,658 Photovoltaics 5,619 5,619 Solar thermal 1,290 1,290 Wind power 5,340 5,340 Hydropower 9,429 9,429 Bioenergy 4,074 11,077 Biofuel 7,003 7,003 Geothermal energy 5,276 5,276 Emerging technologies 1,210 14,380 Enhanced geothermal systems 2,507 2,507 Marine energy 2,966 2,966 Earth infrared thermal radiation 990 990 Others 16 6,707 Algae fuels 444 444 Space-based solar power 1,001 1,001 Water vapor 651 651 Nuclear energy 2,192 2,192 Artificial photosynthesis 2,403 2,403 Market and industry trends 4,335 31,291 Usage by sector or application 4,855 4,855 Cost comparison 2,195 2,195 Growth of renewables 11,638 16,660 Future projections 5,022 5,022 Demand 1,892 1,892 Developing countries 1,354 1,354 Policy 6,534 6,534 Finance 3,666 3,666 Debates 172 22,936 Nuclear power proposed as renewable energy 222 222 Geopolitics 10,657 10,657 Metal and mineral extraction 5,684 5,684 Conservation areas 3,918 3,918 Recycling of solar panels 2,283 2,283 Society and culture 27 8,689 Public support 8,662 8,662 History 6,531 6,531 See also 446 446 References 30 3,425 Sources 3,395 3,395 External links 1,087 1,087 Total 170,169 170,169

Hello, is it okay for me to edit the conversion error under drivers and benefit section?

It's supposed to be 35.6 degrees Fahrenheit Cherrycoke5 (talk) 01:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I cannot see that error - maybe you or someone else already fixed it. In general the answer is yes - see Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle Chidgk1 (talk) 16:38, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Scope of the article?

Do you think Passive daytime radiative cooling is in scope?

Do you think hydrogen is in scope? Chidgk1 (talk) 16:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I think they are outside of the scope and have removed those two sections now. EMsmile (talk) 10:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

More excerpts?

Should we excerpt more here, either from main articles or from Sustainable energy which is a featured article, for example wind power? Might make it easier to keep up to date. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I would support this suggestion. There is probably also a fair bit of content that should be moved to sub-articles. EMsmile (talk) 10:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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Correction

Solve the error in reference 3, please Graph8389 (talk) 03:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I can't see the error in ref 3? EMsmile (talk) 10:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Needs a bit of culling? - Moving photovoltaic development?

I think the article is on the long side (50 kB (7750 words) "readable prose size"). Who has ideas in which sections some culling and condensing, or moving to sub-articles, could take place? For example, one section could be the one on solar power which is probably a bit too detailed now. Thoughts? EMsmile (talk) 11:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@EMsmile and anyone else

Perhaps we could delete or move out the photovoltaic development subsection? Chidgk1 (talk) 16:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes please. Move it to one of the sub-articles, I'd say. I've also added the section size table at the top of the talk page now. It helps to identify which sections are perhaps too big and dominant compared to others. The section on hydropower also seems too long. EMsmile (talk) 17:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you, Chidgk1, and propose to move the entire section "photovoltaic development" to Photovoltaic system and probably add it to the lead (and main text) there. It seems more up to date than the text at Photovoltaic system which is older. Pinging User:Tserton as they recently worked on this section? EMsmile (talk) 10:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi EMsmile! I definitely agree that the article could use some liberal trimming. There are bits and pieces of the "Photovoltaic development" section that are perhaps excessive detail for a general article about renewable energy, but I think there is lower-hanging fruit elsewhere in the article to cull. PV is one of the three main sources of renewable energy, and by far the fastest growing one, so I would argue it deserves a bit more space. I would instead start by significantly consolidating the bioenergy and geothermal sections. And some of the more speculative technologies could be reduced to a few sentences each, with content moved to the respective main articles if it's not already reproduced there. Tserton (talk) 12:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks for your trimming work! The article is now at 46 kB which is better. Its balance of topics is better now (see the section size table at the top to check). I've removed some detail on hydropower as I felt that section had become too long compared to the other sections. - What do you think of the lead section, could you give that also a review and check if it's a good summary of the main aspects of the article? EMsmile (talk) 17:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks likewise for your improvements to the article! Don't be bashful about copyediting the sections I've revamped, too, even if that means moving or removing some of my text. I often find it tricky to judge due weight with technical topics like the ones in some of this article's sections. As for the lead, I actually think a lot of it could do with being re-written. I would focus on what/why/how, in that order (so a brief description/definition, mention of climate change, and an overview of the most important technologies)...and then perhaps a paragraph on the challenges facing renewables. Open to suggestions, of course! Tserton (talk) 20:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Great, always fun to have someone to collaborate with! Regarding the lead, I've copied your comments to the section below so that we have it all in one place. Have replied there. EMsmile (talk) 20:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Improvements to the lead

I've done a bit of work on the lead. My original intention was only to work on readability aspects. But in the end, I also re-arranged the content a bit. I took out some of the number-heavy content and added instead some new content, e.g. by looking at the table of content to see which sections were not yet summarised. For example, there was no info in the lead on the ongoing debates nor on the emerging technologies which I have added now.

I am still not so happy with it: the lead is now a bit too long (519 words), perhaps bring it down to something in the range of 450 to 500? Also, the readability score is still quite low, many sentences are in red when using the readability script. Perhaps User:Efbrazil is interested to help with this lead as well, after we have been working on the lead of sustainable energy... EMsmile (talk) 12:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

As for the lead, I actually think a lot of it could do with being re-written. I would focus on what/why/how, in that order (so a brief description/definition, mention of climate change, and an overview of the most important technologies)...and then perhaps a paragraph on the challenges facing renewables. Open to suggestions, of course! Tserton (talk) 20:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The lead does need some work but when you work on it please ensure it doesn't become a "new story on its own" but still remains as a summary of the article. It should try where possible to pick up the main content of the main section headings. And there should be nothing in the lead that is not also in the main text. A summary of the challenges (or debates) section would be very good (I've already tried to do that; it's currently in the last two paragraph).

I also think leads should include citations (I know this is regarded as optional; but due to the usage of excerpts in future, it's better if the lead does include citations). Also keep in mind WP:LEAD in case you are not aware of that manual of style (you probably know it as you've been around on Wikipedia for a long time!). Lead length could be 450 to 500 words, I'd say.

I think the first paragraph of the lead is actually fairly good. EMsmile (talk) 20:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)