Talk:Thirteenth Dynasty of Egypt

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FYI, someone wrote an article Tutimaios and says he is a pharaoh of the 13th dynasty. I noticed he's not listed here, but I know next to nothing about ancient Egypt, so I can't correct anything. --Fang Aili 23:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Tutimaios appears in later Greek sources and it is not sure to which ancient Egyptian king he relates, most researchers think it is Dudimes I. Udimu— Preceding unsigned comment added by Udimu (talk • contribs) 08:00, 2005 September 12 (UTC)

thirteenth dynasty

we still dont know wether to add it to middle kingdom or the second intermidiat period Hemz27 16:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

First King

Hallo, there ist some discussion in Egyptology about the first king of the 13th Dynasty; and therefore some confusion here. Ryolt argues Sobekhotep II Sekhemre-Khutawy (who should be called Sobkehotep I, if he is right) was the first king. Other argue it was king Wegaf. Indeed, in the Turin Canon, Khutawy (=Wegaf) appears as first king of the dynasty and Ryholt argues that this was a mistake by the person, writing the papyrus. Dodson follows closely Ryholt. However, there are others who disagree and see indeed still Wegaf as the first king of the Dynasty (Franke, Grajetzki, Beckerath) and they do not see a mistake in the papyrus. From this follows: Sobekhotep I Khaankhre is only Sobekhotep I if Wegaf is the first king. If we agree that Sobkekhotep Sekhemre-Khutawy was the first one, Sobekhotep I Khaankhre will become Sobekhotep II and Sobkekhotep Sekhemre-Khutawy will become Sobkekhotep I. I am quite surprised how often Dodson is used on Wiki. It is a nice book, but not really a research book, not discussing problems in detail just presenting Dodson's view. best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 08:18, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. That probably should be included in the article? I don't have time right now to do it, maybe later. I use Dodson quite often as it is something people might reasonably have access to, but I agree that other publications provide much more detail. In this case Ryholt's book is something that should be referenced. When it comes to Dodson's book, one often has to follow the footnotes and the bibliography to get at the details. --AnnekeBart (talk) 14:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I changed that a little bit, fuller discussions are under the kings themselves. Dodson's book is very good to get a first idea, but most Wiki articles are already more detailed, so yes, the footnotes and further literature needs to be consultated (I have the impression you have access to JSTOR, I am right?? so it should be easier for you... I need to go to a library). bw -- Udimu (talk) 16:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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King Emnikamaw?

In recent months various reports on the discovery and excavation of a new pyramid at Dashur have been appearing. The latest (as of 11 May 2017), example here –

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-39882254

reports the excavation of the burial chamber and the identification of the occupant as a daughter of King Emnikamaw, said in other reports, such as this one –

http://archaeologicalnews.tumblr.com/post/160520714189/burial-chamber-of-recently-unearthed-13th-dynasty

to be a 13th dynasty pharoah whose own pyramid is 600 yards away.

The name Emnikamaw does not appear in the lists of this article, nor anywhere else on Wikipedia. Can he be identified with someone already listed here (pharoahs/kings being multi-nominate), or does he need to be inserted? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.60.183 (talk) 12:27, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

the name is a garbled version for Ameny Qemau. I also follow these news, but hesitate to write anything before more concrete details appear, it is not yet entirely clear whether they recleaned the tomb of that king, or whether they found an entirely new one. The owner of the new (?) pyramid is called Hatshepsut: (see: http://static.egyptology.ru/varia/Dahshur_canopic_box.png according to post by Alexander Ilin-Tomich, on the 11th May 2017, on the http://www.egyptologyforum.org/) best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 12:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Udimu. I had just found the List of Egyptian pyramids article and identified Ameny Qemau as a possible match for "Emnikamaw". That list attributes 2 pyramids to him, the second one's linked reference –

http://www.livescience.com/58531-second-pyramid-pharaoh-ameny-qemau-discovered.html

makes it clear that first pyramid bearing his name was found in 1957, and this new one is seemingly that of a daughter.

I guess we need to create a redirect page for "Emnikamaw," as that's the spelling currently appearing in the news. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.60.183 (talk) 12:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

yes, a redirect page is not bad. I did not notice yet, that the infos are already in the articles here. As i said before, the news - not written by people knowing the subject - are rather confusing. I hope quite soon some research articles will appear. best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 12:59, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Sebkay

There might be a pharaoh before kay amenemhat(VII) called 'sebkay'. Shouldn't he be at least mentioned here? If someone lists him, I suggest in the 'comment' section to say "possibly two kings instead of one, filling an empty area in the Turin Canon (according to Ryholt)." Emmanuelbruh (talk) 22:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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