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Category:Contemplated enlargements of the European Union

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Purge and then no consensus on what to do afterwards. Since nobody likes the current name and Marcocapelle's proposal (Category:Accession to the European Union by country) has received the most support, I'm renaming to that as a bartender's close. Any further proposals to upmerge, delete, or switch to the original name can be brought to a new CfD. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:03, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: C2D per Potential enlargement of the European Union. Charles Essie (talk) 18:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • No, WP:CANCAT does not apply in this case. It would have applied if the category contained a set of countries, but now it contains topic articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:38, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Purge and alt rename per Marcocapelle and Nederlandse Leeuw, seems to be the best target. — Qwerfjkltalk 10:14, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - Ok, so first, the current name of the main article comes from this requested move. Not the most sound footing for a name, I think, but it's what we have to start with at least. In reading over the various Accession articles, I see the re-curring wording of "...on the current agenda for...". Basically, they are on a proscribed path, and once they achieve whatever goals, then it's possible they will get admitted. I think this is slightly different that WP:CANCAT, as this isn't necessarily a popularity contest or topten list. These aren't candidate for an office or a list, but rather for membership in an international group. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that CANCAT cannot apply here, if there is consensus. I'm looking at other sub-sub-catsof Category:Enlargement of intergovernmental organizations. But in those cases, there isn't a subcat just for this, they're directly in Category:Enlargement of X. I think perhaps the better solution here might just be to address the gaggle of articles in (to cleanup) Category:Enlargement of the European Union, and UpMerge the nominated cat. Or in other words, UpMerge and purge/clean-up. - jc37 12:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Purge/UpMerge to Category:Enlargement of the European Union, per my comments above. Let's not start a "potential/future/possible" set of trees. - jc37 12:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jc37, this is okay as a second choice (it's better than the vagueness of "potential" etc.), but I'd still prefer to rename and purge as I said above, because it follows thearticle names clearly. Qwerfjkltalk 21:43, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English chronicles

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:16, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More WP:CATSPECIFIC. What all items have in common is that they are chronicles written in English (be it Old English, Middle English, or Early Modern English), with England (the Kingdom of England) as their topic. Category:Chronicles about England has been created as a parent, Category:Latin chronicles about England and Category:Anglo-Norman chronicles about England have been split off as siblings. Follow-up to recent renaming of Category:English manuscripts to Category:English-language manuscripts, as well as a follow-up to recently renamed siblings:
Category:French chronicles to Category:Chronicles about France (which has children such as Category:French-language chronicles about France, Category:Latin chronicles about France);
Category:Lithuanian chronicles to Category:Chronicles about Lithuania (most of which are written in German, Ruthenian, or Latin, not Lithuanian);
Category:Polish chronicles to Category:Chronicles about Poland (which has children such as Category:Latin chronicles about Poland).
Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Workplace bullying

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The result of the discussion was: Purge and then No consensus on what (if anything) to do after purging. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:38, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Reading through the list of articles and redirects in this category, it seems like this category is either unclear in its scope via its title or is not valid at all. At this point, I think WP:TNT applies. Steel1943 (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Purge, or else delete. Clearly something should be done with this category. — Qwerfjkltalk 10:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Region of Bengal

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:MADEUP labels that do not correspond to existing Wikipedia articles. All of the articles are already in at least one region-related category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Courcelles

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The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted per G5. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category created by a sockpuppet (likely) Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Already deleted. Red X I withdraw my nomination Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:49, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Books written by heads of state

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. The target may be nominated as well, but that is for another time. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge unless there is an article that could populate the category, then reverse merge due to that the other category in the target (Category:Books written by prime ministers of the United Kingdom) is also specific to heads of state. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:37, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Categories by heads of state

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:20, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is not useful, having only two subcats, and I did not find any others that would fit. If not merged, it should probably be renamed to Categories by head of state. – Fayenatic London 11:50, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:21st-century women prime ministers in Europe

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Category:21st-century rulers in Europe as uncontested. Merge Category:21st-century women prime ministers in Europe and Category:21st-century prime ministers in Europe, since these two were specicially analyzed to be not part of a scheme. Keep the rest. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to "21st-century presidents in Europe", "21st-century women presidents in Europe". Indirectly WP:G4 per the 2010 "20th and 21st-century rulers" CfD, which led to the deletion of Category:21st-century rulers in Europe (since recreated), Category:21st-century heads of government in Europe, Category:21st-century monarchs in Europe (since recreated), and more. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Okay. The rest of the categories can be kept. — Qwerfjkltalk 21:13, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Swiss chronicles

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C parents Category:History books about Switzerland, Category:History of the Iberian Peninsula, Category:History books about Ireland, Category:Scandinavian history, respectively. Follow-up to recently renamed siblings:
Category:French chronicles to Category:Chronicles about France;
Category:Lithuanian chronicles to Category:Chronicles about Lithuania:
Category:Polish chronicles to Category:Chronicles about Poland.
The categories under this CfR are obviously not by language, but by topic. (Slight exception is Category:Irish chronicles, many but not all of which are written in Irish, but the category trees show it is not language-based). See also CfR of parent Category:European chronicles. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • In my opinion, "chronicle about [country]" is almost always wrong both as English and as a matter of fact. There was no "Switzerland" concept in the Middle Ages, so how could any medieval chronicle be about it? Whatever the problems with the existing categories, the proposed titles hardly seem like an improvement. Srnec (talk) 14:35, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose most. Srnec raises valid points, and I'm not sure what exactly the "value add" of these renames are - "Swiss", "Iberian", and "Scandinavian" aren't languages anyway (macrolanguage families, at best) so why would anyone be confused? Weak oppose to Irish chronicles, as I suppose that could be confusing, but that also seems fixable with a category description if anyone is hesitant to stick an English-language chronicle of Ireland in it. As for the recently renamed siblings, I'd argue they should be moved back - especially Lithuanian chronicles for the same reason as above, since language isn't a likely point of confusion. SnowFire (talk) 20:11, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @SnowFire why would anyone be confused?
    Because "Swiss" can also mean:
    • "written by a Swiss person" or
    • "produced in Switzerland" or
    • "owned by Switzerland" or
    • etc.
    But none of these is evidently the case. And unlike many ambiguously named siblings, "Swiss" is not a language, so these should be relatively easy renamings. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sources of ancient Iranian religion

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:27, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, insofar applicable articles are already in Category:Zoroastrian texts. For other articles it does seem not to make much sense to have them together in a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: manual merge as per Marcocapelle. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:28, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The word "related" seems unnecessary and is not common for similar entities. PS. I guess this should be a merge listing. The category tries to explain the difference: " are magazines about science fiction, devoted to media, criticism, news or other non-fiction content. If a magazine contains mainly fiction instead it is listed instead in the related category Category:Science fiction magazines" but I think this is superficial and hard to argue that a publication is just "related"; it seems like an arbitrary and ORish category. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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