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Budgerigar diagram

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Original - Budgerigar diagram
Reason
Good SVG, which we rarely have for nominations, so I thought this budgerigar diagram would be a good nom.
Articles this image appears in
Budgerigar
Creator
ZooFari

*Support. Illustrates the subject in a way that provides oodles of encyclopedic value.Mostlyharmless (talk) 03:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling fixed. I've added it as "Vent" based on other sources, but it's the same thing as a cloaca. ZooFari 00:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Unless there is a separate size given for captive individuals then I think the scale is off. The article says: "Budgerigars in their natural-habitats of Australia average 18 cm (7 in) long". This is 8.5in vertically implying 9.5in or so along the body. Noodle snacks (talk) 10:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I used relative size both inches and centimeters. ZooFari 00:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Quite low on encyclopedic value IMO. Nothing is labeled that I wouldn't be able to figure out for myself easily enough. I also don't see the need for a labeled illustration, a labeled photograph would be more informative (not that I'm saying we need a labeled anything). Finally, the illustration is merely decent and lack "wow" power to be featured.--Remurmur (talk) 11:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The label line for the ear coverlets seems to be thicker than the other lines. Also, we probably shouldn't be using inches on an anatomy diagram. Otherwise looks great. Kaldari (talk) 15:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. ZooFari 00:38, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, but I thought it was redundant anyways. I used "Secondary flight feathers" in place. ZooFari 02:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 01:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Micrantheum serpentinum

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Original - Micrantheum serpentinum (Western Tridentbush)
Reason
Quite a rare plant. Only found in a few places on the West Coast of Tasmania (and the botanical gardens). Not many images of this genus or family.
Articles this image appears in
Micrantheum serpentinum, Micrantheum, Caletieae
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Micrantheum serpentinum.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 01:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Westertoren, Amsterdam

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Original - The Westertoren (Wester Tower) is the highest church tower in Amsterdam, the Netherlands and a landmark structure for this city. Built in 1637 and designed by the famous Dutch architect Hendrick de Keyser, this was the tower Anne Frank was able to see from her room in the 'Achterhuis' and chiming of the clock was a source of comfort to her as mentioned in her diary.
Reason
The quality is there. I'm not certain, if you'll agree with me on the EV. The picture doesn't fully depicts the tower, as the base is missing. This somewhat limits the EV. The reason for not depicting the whole tower is, because otherwise the base would be obscured by trees and other sorts of objects. This would only reduce the esthetics of the image, without adding valuable information to it. I personally also think, that the tower look better isolated against the sky. To compensate this loss, I've made a close-up with a whole lot of detail. As for you who think: "Why didn't he just made a shot of the tower and the church?" It is impossible to get them both in one picture and a FP of the church itself is impossible (no good viewing point available). The tower is tilted and this image accurately depicts this tilt. I was somewhat surprised to find, that this tower doesn't has its own article. Over here the tower is often seen as an entity of its own, because it's among others made famous through songs, paintings, etc..
Articles this image appears in
Amsterdam and Westerkerk
Creator
Massimo Catarinella
I personally think it improves the composition. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 23:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Looks kinda awkward. --Muhammad(talk) 02:47, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree. I think it would look much better centered. Kaldari (talk) 18:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've uploaded a different crop. The tower is now centered in the frame. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 20:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until the tilt is removed (or is that tower leaning IRL?),and the awkward (I second Muhammad here) composition is changed. Some subjects just work better centered (like symmetric ones for example). --Dschwen 21:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I uploaded a new version with the tower centered ten minutes ago.... As for the tilt..as I said in the above text, it is accurate. How do I know this: 1. I've made this picture with a tripod containing a water bubble from a flat surface. 2. After making the picture, I compared the image on my DSLR with the real tower. 3. After processing it through Photoshop, I compared it with images of the tower available on Google. I know it's an awkward tilt, but it's as it is. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 21:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support now. Beautiful colors, acceptable resolution (a bit too much downsampling though). A bubble hardly has a precision of more than one degree (has it?). But you are right, on second look it is pretty straight. The perspective (slight side view) threw me off. --Dschwen 21:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, on third look, it is crooked. And what's worse it seems to be bent (the top is leaning further than the bottom part). Stitching goof? --Dschwen 21:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, you're right, it is bent. And this is not a stitching error. I also noticed it when photographing the tower (forgot to mention it in the above section). Seriously, the only explanation I can think of is, that every part of the tower is tilted in its own manner (which I have encountered before in other towers, see Dom Tower of Utrecht) Use the word 'Westertoren' with Google and take a look at the images. The second one is of a decent resolution and also shows this bend. Another way of inspecting the tower is by inserting 'Westertoren' in YouTube and click on the second link. This is a movie from 1934, which also shows the bend (only from a different viewing point). An even better movie is 'Brian & Graham, Amsterdam 2009 (Westertoren)' a few clicks down. Anyhow, I think you get my point ;). --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 23:01, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's a flagpole. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 13:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:WestertorenAmsterdam.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 02:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Barn Owl in flight Tyto alba.

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Original - Owl in flight scare in the Pyrenees (France)
Reason
rare moment and encyclopedic value
Articles this image appears in
Barn Owl
Creator
Luc Viatour (talk)
  • Support as nominator --Luc Viatour (talk) 08:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. While the image is of a reasonable size, the owl only makes up a small part of it, and since the EV for this image is based on its illustration of the Barn Owl, that's a reasonable requirement. Even with a generous crop it would push size boundaries, and the owl is rather blurry. I do appreciate the difficulties in capturing a bird in motion, and it's a good photo, but unfortunately not FP worthy in my opinion. Mostlyharmless (talk) 09:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 04:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Esplanade Avenue in New Orleans, 1900

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Original - Esplanade Avenue, New Orleans in 1900
Reason
It is an excellent image depicting one of the most famous avenues in New Orleans during the very early 20th century. There are many interesting things about this photo. First, the trees are painted white for reasons that are greatly debated amongst historians. The two prevailing arguments are either that they were painted white for better vision during night, or that it is actually some sort of insect repellent to keep the bottoms of trees from becoming rotted. Secondly, a streetcar is seen coming in the distance, with the four people in the foreground obviously waiting for it. This encompasses and epitomizes all that is New Orleans, even 110 years ago. Third, the buildings in the photo still stand today (http://maps.google.com/maps?cbp=12,304.77,,0,-5.2&cbll=29.965140,-90.062643&ll=29.965140,-90.062643&layer=c) and the image serves as an excellent comparison to how the city looked then and now.
Articles this image appears in
New Orleans
Creator
Detroit Publishing Company photo via Library of Congress website
  • Support as nominator --Gonk (talk) 15:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now, the image is used to illustrate a section of the article titled Twentieth century but apparently was taken in and depicts the 19th century (the last day of which was December 31st 1900). Wouldn't the image have greater value if some of the above information were included in an article or at least the at the image description page? Guest9999 (talk) 22:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Isn't the last day of the century Dec 31st 1899? I'm sure I celebrated the first day of the 21st Century on Jan 1st 2000, and thus Jan 1st 1900 would be the start of the 20th Century?! Or was I celebrating a year too early?! Gazhiley (talk) 07:36, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Although I agree with you that the definitive turn of the century didn't come until January 1st 1901, I feel that the common belief (especially amongst people who don't know the exact science behind) is that most consider the beginning of the 20th century to be January 1st, 1900. It is this reason why I don't believe having the photo in the 20th century section is wholly inappropriate or unreasonable. I think there are definitely more people who'd be confused having the 1900 photo in the 19th century section as opposed to the 20th century. Gonk (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • As an encyclopedia, we strive for accuracy. So I find it inappropriate to follow a misconception, even if it is a popular one. On the contrary, Wikipedia should help debunking this myth. This is a small mistake, easily corrected, but you could justify many bad ideas by saying "people often think this is right". I wouldn't want Wikpedia to go down that slope. Ksempac (talk) 11:14, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Regardless, images within Wiki articles don't always have to coincide with the section they are placed in. I could post a plethora of articles as examples. As long as the image is in an article to which it's related, I don't see this as an issue. Gonk (talk) 23:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per criteria, the copyright notices have to be removed. This should have been done (or arranged for, if you will) before nominating. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for compositional reasons. Yet the assertion about copyright notices is a misreading of FP criteria. Wikipedia has historic featured pictures whose copyright notices appear, and it would be somewhat strange and dogmatic to insist upon their removal. All that we require is that an image not actually be in full copyright, which is necessary for legal reasons. Durova320 19:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Could you explain the compositional issues? No one is really addressing why the image itself isn't up to par enough to be a featured image. The only two real issues here that have been talked about are the placement within the New Orleans article (which I feel is debatable), and the copyright on the image, which plenty of other featured images have and should not be held as reason for opposition against the image. Please, judge the image on its merits as a photo, please. Gonk (talk) 23:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 01:07, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



File:Trafalgar Square 360 Panorama Cropped Sky, London - Jun 2009.jpg

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Original - An 8 segment, 360 degree panoramic photo of Trafalgar Square in London. The square is the fourth most visited tourist attraction in the world, with 15 million visits each year.
Reason
It's about as complete a view of the square as possible, short of a nice angled aerial shot from a passing helicopter. ;-) The resolution is good, there are no (major) stitching errors AFAIK which was surprisingly difficult to achieve with so many people moving around, and although the lighting is a little dull due to the cloudy sky, it does keep the lighting consistent across the 360 degree view - something that would not possible in sunny conditions.
Articles this image appears in
Trafalgar Square
Creator
User:Diliff
  • Support as nominator --Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 13:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks a bit over-sharpened at full res, but I can't find anything else to complain about. The lighting is nice and even, the resolution is impressive, and there are no stitching errors, halos, etc. Kaldari (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Pretty well stitched image. I see some issues around Nelson's Column: the whole thing looks to have a halo, there is a minor stitching flaw at the left side of the columns base, and there is a ghost of a girl at the left side of the columbs pedestal. Was any HDR used on this (I ask because of the haloing and noise in the darker areas of the image such as the entrance to the National Gallery) Cowtowner 23:44, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Nicely done panorama. I was also wondering, why that girls left of Nelson' Column is fading into the background. A little bit too much shadow reduction for my taste, but that's something minor and a personal taste. Btw, I like the fact that it's an overcast sky (since this isn't always ugly as shown here). --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 23:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Fantastic image... Though me thinks Diliff should spend a little more time working, and a little less time out of his office taking photgraphs myself...  ;-) hehe Gazhiley (talk) 07:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per Kaldari. Mostlyharmless (talk) 05:05, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Trafalgar Square 360 Panorama Cropped Sky, London - Jun 2009.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 01:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Diagram of the New York City Subway

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Original - Diagram of the New York City Subway
Edit 1: web-safe fonts - Altered version using web-safe fonts
Edit 2: street names added - Outline fonts, street names have been added. Watermark removed
Reason
illustrates the New York City Subway concisely and in orderly fashion. A previous version of this map was featured on French Wikipedia.
Articles this image appears in
New York City Subway, Transit map, List of New York City Subway stations
Creator
countZ
  • Support as nominator --CountZ (talk) 17:37, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very nice. I'm a big fan of metro and transit maps, and this is very neat. My only quibble is that some of the numbered streets (149 St, 67 Av) say "St" and "Av", but others do not, and many people unfamiliar with NYC might not understand these are actually street names. Also, "Ave", rather than "Av" is the correct abbreviation of "Avenue". If this can be addressed, I'll support. Matthewedwards :  Chat  04:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Av" is correct in New York. New York street sign; see also the official subway map. I can explain the naming rationale in depth-- but the gist of it is that it's common practice to omit "street" in New York subway maps. See, for instance, this 1939 example, where all "st" markers are omitted, except for those required for clarity's sake. CountZ (talk) 05:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • OK, I'm sold on the "Av"/"Ave" thing, but not regarding the omission of "St" "Av". We're (Wikipedia) not trying to replicate, duplicate or repeat stuff from the MTA's terrible map, and I would say that includes their naming quirks. Ours is here to serve as an additional piece of information for the reader of the articles it appears in. These readers may be from anywhere in the world who may never ride the subway or even visit New York. The numbers alone mean nothing to them, especially as "65" is not the street name, "65 St" is.
        With regard to the font discussed below with ZooFari, I read web safe font to try to get an idea of what you are discussing, but it's badly written and I couldn't make much of it. Anyway, for me in FF and IE7, Edit 1 looks like a black smudge both at thumbnail and on the file page, where as the Original looks neat. Also, the type in Edit 1 overlaps with the lines and sometimes itself, making it difficult to read. In this respect, the Original is much better than Edit 1.
        Regarding the actual design of the map, I can clearly see the influences from Vignelli's topological map, as well as Goldstein's earlier map for station connections and X markers for stops, although I think it is an improvement on both. I also prefer it for usability over the Kick map and Brennan's version, and especially over MTA's official geographical design. Your use of keeping the general geographical locations intact also works well for the majority, but it has resulted in a few odd angles such as by Coney Island, where routes D, M and R are at 30-degrees, but N, F, S and Q are at 45-degrees -- couldn't they all be 45? Similar regards for route G between Greenpoint and Willoughby, where I count 5 deviations from what could be a straight line, and route L between Lorimer and Jefferson. For your website and a true passenger alternative, they are better as they are shown now, but for Wikipedia purposes, I think these lines could be straightened out. Also, for Wikipedia purposes only, I feel it might be better to lose the "Late Night Service" box and the many different types of station markers for peak, weekday, nights, weekends, etc, leaving just complete white circles and the grey boxes for connections, because the articles do not go into this much detail.
        As I said, as an alternative to the official map, I would use this map as it is, but with regards to Wikipedia, the more I think about it the more I think there are a couple of improvements that could be made. Matthewedwards :  Chat  15:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        PS, just for clarity, I currently oppose Edit 1 unless someone can explain what improvements the blurry text has made, and my above comments are levelled towards only the Original. Matthewedwards :  Chat  15:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Edit 2 is up. Re: angles. I've tried to stick to 90 and 45 degree angles where possible, but sometimes the geography is such that it's not possible to use 90 and 45 without losing useful detail. New Utrecht (D M) and 4th Avenue (R) run parallel to each other, but not to the rest of the street grid in that part of Brooklyn. The same goes for the L train between Montrose and Jefferson and the entirety of the G train, where it's useful to know the avenue it runs under. Compare with the Kick, Vignelli and MTA maps.
        • Re: station markers. The subway is a complex bird. While the main NYC subway article doesn't have a separate section on service patterns, the individual line articles, like the article on the 2 Train, do.
        • Re: station labels. Edit 2 has the street names fully written out. CountZ (talk) 20:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've just noticed something about the licensing, too. On your website (I'm assuming it's yours and you haven't just uploaded it from there), the same image is licensed cc-by-nc-3.0, but here it is cc-by-sa-3.0. Matthewedwards :  Chat  17:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would normally oppose because no text is websafe and the map is unsourced, but since FPC hasn't established good SVG critiques, my vote is going to be neutral. ZooFari 22:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Source information has been updated. A version using Arial instead of Helvetica has been uploaded, though I think it's inappropriate to use the edited version, for two reasons. First, browsers don't handle SVG text particularly well. The diagram breaks when the fonts are displayed incorrectly, since the map is so complicated and at times crowded. My copy of Opera shows all of the text from Edit 1 in oversized Times Roman, while Safari renders everything just fine. Second, Helvetica is strongly associated with the subway in New Yorkers' minds, much as Johnston (typeface) is for the Tube. CountZ (talk) 23:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original. Informative and eyecatching. Mostlyharmless (talk) 01:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit 2 Fantastic. The street names give it much greater EV, IMO. -- mcshadypl TC 17:46, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit 2 Perfect subject for a transit FP; I was wondering whether this was PD. Durova320 19:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 2 Very nice. The font looks much better now. Extremely related to the topic. --Tangerine!(also known as ashpotter) (talk) 23:04, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 2 - excellent map - info looks correct - the NY subway system is extremely complex, yet this map makes it looks simple and clear—Chris!c/t 00:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose while there are still in-image credits (bottom right). Sorry, I appreciate how much work has gone in to this, but when the photographers can't have in-photo credits, I don't think it's fair that the cartographers can. J Milburn (talk) 14:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, there are some symbols not explained on the key- not certain if it's a major issue, as they are clearly labelled, but the pathways, ferryway, airport, greenspace, water, non-station labels, airport bus, grey areas (it's not immediately obvious what they represent) and the little lines crossing the lines (see brown line around Hewes St, for instance) are not explained on the key. Also, the numbers and letters on the line are meaningless to me- what do they mean? J Milburn (talk) 14:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • We may have a precedent set by the Madrid Metro Map, it too has a credit on it. 68.147.59.209 (talk) 03:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • New York subway services are categorized by color and letter. The color denotes the Manhattan main line: thus, 6th Av is orange, Nassau St brown, etc. Each subway service has its own letter which represents a specific service pattern. Services are referred to by letter, never by color, because of the system's complexity and the wide variety of destinations. So: "Take the N-Q-R-W," never "take the yellow line." When lines share a main line and service pattern, they share a line on the map. So, for the Broadway line in Manhattan, there are three changes. From south to north: Below Canal the R W run local through Lower Manhattan while the N Q go straight to Brooklyn. between Canal and 42nd the line splits into three service patterns: Q (express all times) N (express weekdays, local other times) and R W (local). Above 42nd, the N merges with the R W, as all three lines go to Queens and make the same stops while the Q ends at 57th. This is intended to be a middle ground between Vignelli's "ignore the geography and show every service as its own line" approach and the modern MTA map's geography at all costs approach that ignores how the trains themselves operate. CountZ (talk) 13:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit 2 Out of curiosity, what is the procedure for altering an existing FA like this if, say, the Subway lines change? Staxringold talkcontribs 18:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:NYC_subway-4D.svg --Makeemlighter (talk) 01:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Tulip Stamen Tip

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Original - Tip of a tulip stamen. Note the grains of pollen
Reason
Quite a valuable image in my view. You can see the individual grains of pollen.
Articles this image appears in
Pollen, Pollination, Flower, Tulip
Creator
Noodle snacks

"Support This is an astounding image. I have never seen a better llustration of pollen in its natural state, as opposed to removed from the stamen and put under an electon microscope, losing all colour detail. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 209 FCs served 10:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it has a good encyclopedic value, but quality issues must be challenged here too. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 19:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Quality issues? Noodle snacks (talk) 00:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 04:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Lactarius indigo gills

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Original - The gills of Lactarius indigo.
Reason
There simply isn't a better picture of the gills of this unique species to be found on the internet. Not the "traditional" mushroom pose, but it would be difficult to see the gills otherwise. Meets size requirements, nice composition, "wow" factor, and as a bonus one can see "milk" (latex) exuding from the broken stem. Also visible is the hollowness of the stem (mentioned in the species article), further adding to EV.
Articles this image appears in
Lactarius indigo, List of Lactarius species, blue
Creator
Dan Molter at Mushroom Observer
I'm not sure exactly what the size is, but I would have thought the leaves and moss would help give a good perspective. Of course, I'm rather used to looking at leaves and moss, so maybe it's just me... Sasata (talk) 22:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - agonised over this a bit, but to me it has too many defects, the worst of which is probably the huge shadow. And I really just can't get the sense of scale no matter how many times I stare at the neighbouring leaves. Also the out-of-focus broken stem is a pity. Stevage 06:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Lactarius indigo 48568.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 22:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An image with scale

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Original - various scales
Reason
This image provides scale, which is the most important criteria for any Featured Picture ;P
Articles this image appears in
yard
Creator
Bggoldie

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 22:15, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Kostas Martakis

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Original - Kostas Martakis is a Greek singer known for his participation in the Greek national final for the Eurovision Song Contest 2008. He released his debut album Anatropi and numerous singles through Sony BMG Greece, with whom he was originally signed. He recently signed with Universal Music Greece, and is working on his second album, set for release in October.
Reason
Sorry if people are getting sick of these nominations, but I love images submitted by representatives of the subject. After this (viewable only by OTRS volunteers) rather exciting email, we may now be getting a large number of high quality images from Universal Music Greece, which is great news. See also this great image, also of Martakis. The nominated image is a professional quality headshot, very typical of a publicity shot in terms of composition, that shows the subject in a very compelling way. Note that it is also the basis of an album cover. Technically sound, and certainly makes the viewer want to know more!
Articles this image appears in
Kostas Martakis, Head_shot#Entertainment_industry
Creator
Universal Music Greece
  • Support as nominator --J Milburn (talk) 15:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose Excessive digital manipulation. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 15:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I thought that at first, but after some Googling, it seems his eyes are actually that colour. J Milburn (talk) 15:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • They aren't fake. I think the eye colour is also perfectly natural, going on [1]. It is just a question of lighting. Look closely at the reflections in his eyes. There is one softbox top and slightly right (top square) and another smaller one below and a bit right too. The net effect is a fairly shadowless image, it reminds me of a ring light. I can't speak for cloning, but the light source is very soft, and he probably has makeup on. Noodle snacks (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I really can't say with certainty, but if I had to make a call, I would say it is extremely soft and warm (yellow spectrum) lighting being used which creates enhanced bluishness. Just look at his ears, which are not made up, and there is no reason to digitally manipulate. But I can't rule it out, and I am no expert on these matters. On the basis of the other photos in the article, his eyes are a slightly greener shade than this. I looked at other images on the internet and they seem to bear this out (although most were not such close ups, excepting thisWhat makes his eyes look more fake is that his entire face is heavily made up. Take a close look at the image, and you'll see tonnes of foundation. It hides a nice character scar under his eye, unfortunately.For a pop entertainer like Martakis, makeup is not really a problem as far as I'm concerned. But deliberate manipulation to create an unrealistic effect is. I have too many concerns to support this image. Mostlyharmless (talk) 05:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Neutral I love celeb shots as much as the next guy, but I'm pretty sure those eyes are fake. Google-ing him all the advertisements with him and such have him with those eyes, but more casual shots like this show something more normal. I would guess he gets them made up to make better man-candy for ads/promotions. And yes, I would say that's the first time anyone has ever written "man-candy" in an FPC vote. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Staxringold. And I know 14 year old boys that can grow a better beard. Cacophony (talk) 06:04, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The amount of digital manipulation is appropriate for the genre. Quite a good example of its type. If we ever manage to get a George Hurrell in the public domain I'd promote it in a heartbeat; Hurrell's portraits were heavily and masterfully retouched. Let's exercise appropriate discretion per the subject matter in our application of FP criteria. Durova320 05:09, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Noodle snacks about the lighting and Durova --Muhammad(talk) 07:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I have to agree with Durova. This is his image, this is what he sells. This is what is plastered on the front of thousands of his albums. In that context, this is the encyclopaedic image, not a candid shot of him showing his eyes are much darker or greener. For the genre and for his Greek music star persona, it's an excellent example. Maedin\talk 08:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Durova and Maedin have convinced me of the encyclopedic value of this image. Mostlyharmless (talk) 09:07, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Durova and Maedin. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment All that the supporters here have said is frankly rubbish as long as the manipulation of the photograph is not acknowledged in image captions, which it currently isn't. Newspapers voluntarily adopted a standard to not let image manipulation go uncommented, and the more serious ones do, in fact, largely exclude it from their reporting. I really feel we'd be falling well short of widely adopted standards of honesty in featuring an image without giving the reader the opportunity to understand that what he or she is looking at is an illusion created by a designer - it's on the same level as the recent debate about how using photoshopped (usually female) models in advertising encourages eating disorders and may yet come to be outlawed in some countries. Relevant recent and not-so-recent news coverage: [2] [3] [4] Our own criteria here at FPC explicitly include the phrase "not deceptive". The criteria allow for "color correction" but not augmentation. For me, there's never been a clearer case that an image should be rejected. And if you're worried that the Universal Music Greece stream of images will come to a halt if this doesn't get promoted, you should never have nominated it. In my opinion, such political motives should never affect the rationality of our decisions: Have we become so un-free as to start pandering to commercial interests? Are we so quick to abandon the free content mission? Wake-up call, over and out. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 10:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • What the Hell are you talking about? You do speak some crap. First of all, we aren't unanimous about whether this has been modified, and, secondly, no one is allowing "political motives ... affect the rationality of our decisions". I'm not even sure if the uploader or the person who contacted me from Universal Music Greece are aware of this discussion- I didn't tell them. I nominated this because I think it is a high quality image, of a type underrepresented on Wikipedia. J Milburn (talk) 13:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree that if this is accepted, and if this has been modified, the caption needs to say so. —Darxus (talk) 21:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • The only political motives that appear to be visible here are those of the individual who makes accusations of "pandering to commercial interests". If the business community perceives advantages to free licenses, why shouldn't their submissions merit an equal footing with everything else? When US Government public domain material gets nominated we don't "pander" to a federal bureaucracy; we review content. Durova320 22:24, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support. Mainly for its use in Head shot. Not a fan of heavily photoshopped images for biography articles. Kaldari (talk) 15:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:MARTAKIS1.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Extermination of Evil Tenkeisei

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Original - The Japanese god of heavenly punishment exterminates Gozu Tennō, the ox-headed god of pestilence (part of the set of five hanging scrolls Extermination of Evil). The text on the scroll explains the acts of the god in eliminating evil.
Reason
This is a high resolution image of a National Treasure of Japan.
Articles this image appears in
List of National Treasures of Japan (paintings)
Creator
unknown (uploaded by Bamse)

Promoted File:Extermination_of_Evil_Tenkeisei.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Bengalia sp. in Bangalore

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Original - Bengalia sp. blow fly. Pictured in Bangalore, India
Reason
Good quality, EV, lighting.
Articles this image appears in
Bengalia. Could also be used in Calliphorinae since it shows a living specie.
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Promoted File:Bengalia sp.jpg--Shoemaker's Holiday Over 210 FCs served 23:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Connie Mack

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Original - Connie Mack, manager of the Philadelphia Athletics, in early 1911. He was the longest serving manager in Major League Baseball history.
Reason
Connie Mack managed the Philadelphia Athletics baseball team for 50 seasons and was the only Major League Baseball manager to win consecutive World Series championships on separate occasions (1910-1911 and 1929-1930). This happens to have been taken between the 1910 and 1911 championships. Restored version of File:Connie Mack.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Connie Mack (baseball), History_of_the_Oakland_Athletics#The_First_Dynasty_and_aftermath, Oakland Athletics managers and ownership
Creator
Paul Thompson

Promoted File:Connie Mack3.jpg--Shoemaker's Holiday Over 210 FCs served 00:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Rushmore

[edit]
Original - Mount Rushmore National Memorial, a granite sculpture by Gutzon Borglum, located near Keystone, South Dakota, United States. The sculture comprises the heads of former US Presidents (from left to right) George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln.
Saturation restored (from the real original)
Reason
EV is high for both articles, image has been improved since its previous nomination. Original image is here, previously nominated image is here.
Articles this image appears in
Mount Rushmore
Creator
Dean Franklin
  • Support as nominator --Cowtowner 00:19, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Awesome image. Staxringold talkcontribs 01:26, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit Good enough until a better one comes by. Also a nice touch to feature the lead image in a featured article (not that that affects my !vote). upstateNYer 03:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm really not sure about this one. Noise in the sky and blurry foreground; we have an existing FP of the subject, and probably several in the past. In terms of TFP, I'm sure this has been featured before, promoting this image may offer little value to the encyclopedia as a whole. Given that it's not really amazing, as UpstateNYer has also acknowledged, I see no strong reason to feature this. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 15:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC) (in fact, just check Talk:Mount Rushmore to confirm that it's had oodles of exposure on the front page)[reply]
    • Taking it from the top; admittedly, the foreground is not as sharp as the rest of the image, it is also not of the same importance. Noise in the sky, again, same deal for me. Though I'm not sure what TFP is, the fact that it has been perhaps shown on the front page and previous versions have appeared prominitely in project before doesn't strike me as a reason not to feature it. On the topic of the other featured picture, I think it's quite safe to say that the two are distinct images (the currently featured image seems to have it's EV primarily vested in Air Force One). This is especially true in light of the multitude of featured bird and insect pictures which have truly striking similarities 68.147.59.209 (talk) 22:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]
      • As a clarification, I am the IP who posted the above, my apologies. Cowtowner 17:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak support - nice and sharp, great lighting - but would prefer a tighter crop. The rocky outcrop on the very right is particularly distracting because it looks like another face (or am I the only one). I'd take a bit off all four sides Stevage 06:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The saturation of the sky in the nominated version is 176 - an increase of 25% over the original's 140 - without good reason, since the original saturation looks quite good at the same exposure bump - see uploaded alt. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 11:11, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose original: Based on PLW's comments. The oversaturation of the sky is unreasonable, unnecessary, and looks very poor. Maedin\talk 12:04, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support edit, oppose original I definitely prefer this edit. The first picture had a strong overall contrast that made the monument appear dark, namely throughout Lincoln's face. The edit corrects this nicely. -- mcshadypl TC 17:18, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • More comments on the edit, please. Makeemlighter (talk) 04:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Dean_Franklin_-_06.04.03_Mount_Rushmore_Monument_(by-sa)-3_new.jpg--Shoemaker's Holiday Over 210 FCs served 23:33, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Cross-country mountain bike race

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Original - Competitors in the men's under 23 cross-country event at the 2009 World Championships line up at the start. Eventual winner Burry Stander (RSA) is second from left.
Reason
A good close-up of the future of men's cross-country mountain biking, focusing on the riders rather than just the bikes. EV is enhanced by the fact the numbers on the bikes reflect the riders' world ranking at the start of the race (#1 wasn't competing for some reason), and the eventual winner (#2) appears to be the main subject. I have also identified all riders on the front row, several of which would probably pass notability requirements. The dominance of Switzerland in this event is clear. Aesthetically, I like the nice bright colours - the blue background complements some of the white uniforms and helmets well. On the downside, the shadows are quite heavy, and perhaps I shouldn't have left half a rider on the right hand side. (I can upload an uncropped version if needed.) And an open (rather than U23) event would have had higher EV - but I wasn't there on the right day for that.
Articles this image appears in
Cross-country mountain biking, UCI Mountain Bike & Trials World Championships
Creator
Stevage

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 23:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Blood values (change to the combined)

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Original - Reference ranges for blood tests, sorted by mass and molar concentration. Values taken from Wikipedia article. References are found there.
Reason
The image File:Reference ranges for blood tests - by mass.png (thumb below), showing reference ranges for blood tests sorted by mass has been a FP for almost a year now.
Mass only (currently FP).

However, since then I've also made a combined image of mass and molar concentration (the molar one was considered too similar to, in itself, also be featured). Still, in my point of view, they should be viewed together, not only to get the whole picture, but also because mass values can more easily be translated to molar ones and vice versa by knowing their molar mass. Therefore, I suggest that the combined image should be FP instead of just the mass one.

Articles this image appears in
Potentially any article where en:File:Reference ranges for blood tests - by mass.png currently is on display.
Creator
Mikael Häggström

Promoted File:Blood values sorted by mass and molar concentration.png --Makeemlighter (talk) 22:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please note that this nomination only results in a promotion of the mass/molar concentration picture. If you think that this picture makes the other one unnecessary, please nominate it to be delisted. Thanks :) Makeemlighter (talk) 22:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I'll nominate the mass-only picture for delisting.Mikael Häggström (talk) 04:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Messier 5 globular star cluster captured by Hubble space telescope

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Original - Messier 5 globular star cluster captured by Hubble space telescope
Reason
Wikipedia already features the Hubble's ultra deep field with 10,000 galaxies. How about a star cluster with 100,000 stars?
Articles this image appears in
Messier 5, List of Messier objects
Creator
NASA, STScI, WikiSky
  • Support as nominator --friendlystar (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. It would be facetious to oppose for 'lens artifacts and blown highlights' I suppose, but it doesn't have the great colour and variety that the Hubble ultra deep field has. Also, there seems to be a blue streak near the bottom. Any idea what that is? Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:21, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • My guess would be something closer in our solar system moving across the camera's field of vision during the exposure, hubble does use long exposures. I also don't think it is up to par with what we're accustomed to seeing with hubble. It does provide EV for a star cluster, but beyond that it isn't going to win votes for being hubble's best work. — raeky (talk | edits) 17:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Considering how incredibly small the field of view likely is in this shot I would guess it is not something closer passing in front of the camera. I don't know what it is though. There is also an orange streak near the top. Sam Barsoom 01:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose I have seen higher quality images from this very telescope/camera, I believe this to be a reasonable standard to hold such shots too. Beyond the rays and overexposure you would expect from almost any astronomical shot of this distance scale there is also a graininess that is not seen in other shots of this type. Sam Barsoom 01:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 210 FCs served 00:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Che Guevara

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Original - A photograph of Che Guevara taken by Alberto Korda at the La Coubre memorial service, entitled Guerrillero Heroico

.

Reason
Currently a valued picture. Meets featured article criteria as historically and culturally significant. Described as the "most famous photograph in the world"
Articles this image appears in
Che Guevara, Che Guevara (photo), Che Guevara in popular culture
Creator
Alberto Korda
  • Support as nominator --Jakeb (talk) 16:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This has been nominated recently, although unsuccessfully. This version looks a little small, and it would definitely be preferable to remove the outside remnants of the film since it is distracting. -- mcshadypl TC 17:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per mcshady. Far too small (despite the historical value), and I don't really understand the need for the film edges. Staxringold talkcontribs 17:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose far to small of an image when there is larger versions that exist that can be obtained and the film border needs cropped does not add to the EV. A good high quality scan of this image MAY pass FP standards, but not this version. — raeky (talk | edits) 22:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Needs crop, size issues. Also not convinced that licensing/ownership is completely sorted (although this is not an oppose reason for me). Mostlyharmless (talk) 02:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let me start saying that I also Oppose. I wish someone finds a larger version. It is quite true that the licensing issues of this picture are quite controversial. But since all over the world people use this image I think wikipedia can make an exception with this. Now, about the crop. I do think that leaving this image as it is in this sense adds a high EV to it. The thing is that what it is widely reproduced everywhere is the latter crop showing only Che' without completely showing the shoulders and the rest of the elements. Even the part of the film gives some historical information. For a long time I thought that the picture was just what is everywhere printed. Seen the picture and then the crop enhances the felling that Korda got really lucky that day. Franklin.vp  16:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Che_Guevara_(photo)#Current_legal_status. Spikebrennan (talk) 14:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 06:01, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zhou Maoshu Appreciating Lotuses

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Original - A 15th century hanging scroll by Kanō Masanobu and designated National Treasure of Japan showing the 11th century Confucian scholar Zhou Maoshu in a boat floating on a lake with lotuses.
Reason
This is a high resolution image of an important work of art.
Articles this image appears in
Kanō Masanobu, List of National Treasures of Japan (paintings)
Creator
bamseKanō Masanobu
  • Support as nominator --bamse (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Gorgeous image (are you/others working on a National Treasures of Japan topic, BTW? I remember seeing some other NToJ list over at FLC somewhat recently), but there are various problems including clear scratches (repairable, but there) in the sky, a generally dark tone (I'd be hesitant to 'fix' this too much for fear of changing the artist's intent), and a crop that includes the distracting edges of whatever this was scanned on. I'm always hesitant to do much editing to artwork for fear of altering the art, but the scratches and cropping are clear things that need fixing. Staxringold talkcontribs 17:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, see here. The dark tone might be age as well so I would not want to fix it. The featured File:Shoki2.jpg is similar in tone btw. The stuff it was scanned on is the part to which the hanging scroll is attached. All hanging scrolls have such, it is their natural environment (see Kakemono). The scratches are natural for a paper scroll of such age. It might have been rolled up a couple of times for storage in the last 500 years. bamse (talk) 22:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a 15th century artwork, any retouching of it I think would lower it's EV. It's remarkably well perserved and striking for such an old peice of art. — raeky (talk | edits) 22:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Zhou Maoshu Appreciating Lotuses.jpg --jjron (talk) 06:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



File:La Giralda, Seville, Spain - Sep 2009.jpg

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Original - La Giralda, bell tower of the Cathedral of Seville, as viewed from Plaza Virgen de los Reyes in Seville, Spain.
Reason
Well, it makes a bit of a departure from the usual ultra high res, perspective-corrected architectural photos that I tend to take, but I found that it was not possible to find any other pleasing position to take this photo from. This is a deceptively tall tower (almost 100m tall, and the tallest in the world at the time it was built), and the small square surrounding it simply wasn't big enough to allow you to step back far enough. This image shows the sort of distortion you'd get if you tried, and the tower would only look worse (more distorted) when viewed in detail. So although it is a somewhat awkward angle, the image has grown on me and I think it is probably one the most aesthetic views of the tower possible given geographical constraints. Other images seem to suggest that this is the case too.
Articles this image appears in
Giralda
Creator
User:Diliff
  • Support as nominator --Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 11:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - Medium quality (perhaps due the lighting). - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 05:20, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose I want to support this one, I really do, but the colours from the lighting give it an un-natural look - would be better in day light IMO. And although there's not a lot that can be done about it, I really find the angle that everything else in the picture seems to be leaning at off-putting... I know its perspective, not acutal tilt, but it annoys me... Sorry... Gazhiley (talk) 10:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support Lighting is pretty good IMO but I find the perspective distracting. Probably one of those subjects of which FPs are almost impossible to create. --Muhammad(talk) 15:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral for now. Weak Support A picture of the tower alone is justified since it is an entity of its own. The quality is not as good as your other pictures, but is sufficient compared with other FP's. The sky is really beautiful. Whether the tower is illuminated or not doesn't affect the EV imo. I don't really like the perspective however and wonder if it is necessary. You're right about the fact that it's impossible to take a decent photograph from the tower up close. But couldn't you have climbed a rooftop of a restaurant for example in a 500 meter radius around the tower (since you have a zoomlens)? Also this view reduces the EV a little since the detail from the top segment of the tower is a little obscured because the tower gets smaller towards the top. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 21:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I looked at this and thought to myself "That's the kind of wow/brilliance within a photo that I enjoy seeing on the Main Page". upstateNYer 17:30, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: If perspective is well-judged and well-captured to make an aesthetic photograph, it can also sometimes hold a lot of EV. Here is a perfect, and pleasing example, of the perspective of the building, that shows just how tall the tower is, in the position from which most people would be viewing it. Quality and colours seem okay to me. Maedin\talk 18:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:La Giralda, Seville, Spain - Sep 2009.jpg --jjron (talk) 06:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Dusky Leaf Monkey

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Original - A young Dusky Leaf Monkey (Trachypithecus obscurus) in Khao Sam Roi Yot national park in Southern Thailand
Reason
Pulled from PPR while archiving. See Wikipedia:Picture peer review/Dusky Leaf Monkey. I think it's worth a nomination here. Not sure what's up with the creator, but I've left him a note.
Articles this image appears in
Dusky Leaf Monkey, Lutung
Creator
Robertpollai

Not promoted –Juliancolton | Talk 15:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


F-22 Raptor

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Original - F-22 Raptor at the 2008 Joint Services Open House airshow, Andrews Air Force Base
Reason
Apt photo of air superiority fighter with nice vapor trails
Articles this image appears in
F-22 Raptor, United States Air Force, Fearswoop, Negative index metamaterials
Creator
Rob Shenk
Personally I did not notice, may be just slight softness but it's fixable. Brand[t] 21:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There is something unnatural about it, either it's been oversmoothed or something. Specifically if you look at the edge of the wings to the sky there is something not right going on there. — raeky (talk | edits) 22:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I suspect the smoothness of the aircraft is the actual smoothness of the aircraft. The background does have some noise, but short of using smoothing tools which would damage the detail in the subject that is to be expected in blue sky. The encyclopedic value seems high and much detail of the aircraft can be seen. I think it adds much to the article. Sam Barsoom 01:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Upon closer inspection there does seem to be some over-masking at the top and some under-masking at the bottom. See the thin blue edge on the bottom that is not on the top? That is likely what the sky looked like before being adjusted. The over masking at the top looks to have blurred the edge between jet and sky. Just a theory I could be wrong, I am no expert. I still support it. Sam Barsoom 01:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Looks oversharpened, although not in the typical way. Any insights into the post-processing? Kaldari (talk) 23:00, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 07:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Masked Lapwing

[edit]
Original - Vanellus miles novaehollandiae.
Reason
Commonly known as a "Plover". Many people don't realise that this bird belongs to a genus of waders. The water and clear look at the long legs is important imo.
Articles this image appears in
Vanellus miles, Vanellus, Charadriidae
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Vanellus miles novaehollandiae.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 22:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Lower Fort Mason and Downtown San Francisco

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Original - Fort Mason, also known as San Francisco Port of Embarkation, US Army, in San Francisco, California is a former United States Army post located in the northern Marina District, alongside San Francisco Bay. Fort Mason served as an Army post for more than 100 years, initially as a coastal defence site[1] and subsequently as a military port facility. During World War II, it handled most of the cargo for the Pacific campaign. Fort Mason can be split into two distinct areas. This image is of the Fort Mason Center
Alt 1 - Fort Mason, also known as San Francisco Port of Embarkation, US Army, in San Francisco, California is a former United States Army post located in the northern Marina District, alongside San Francisco Bay. Fort Mason served as an Army post for more than 100 years, initially as a coastal defence site[1] and subsequently as a military port facility. During World War II, it handled most of the cargo for the Pacific campaign. Fort Mason can be split into two distinct areas. This image is of the Fort Mason Center
Reason
High quality and good EV
Articles this image appears in
Fort Mason
Creator
mbz1
Thank you for your comment. I've just re-checked the image with the grid, and all verticla look very much vertical. Maybe it's looking being tilted is an illusion?--Mbz1 (talk) 10:46, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Looks straight to me. The waterline in front of the fort creates a slight illusion of a tilt. Mila, how far does the fort go? Is that smaller building at far right part of the fort still? If not it's possibly unnecessarily wide at both sides? --jjron (talk) 07:49, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, John. I do not think the building at the far right is a part of Fort Mason. I did the image the way I did to show the surroundings of the Fort. I'll make another panorama from a different set of the images and add it is as an alternative.--Mbz1 (talk) 13:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Lower Fort Mason abd Downtown San Francisco.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 02:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



A Bell 212 with Bambi bucket

[edit]
Original - The Bell 212 Twin Huey (also known as the Twin Two-Twelve) is a two-bladed, twin-engined, medium helicopter that first flew in 1968. It is carrying a helicopter bucket, a specialised bucket suspended on a cable to deliver water for aerial firefighting.
Alternative - The Bell 212 Twin Huey (also known as the Twin Two-Twelve) is a two-bladed, twin-engined, medium helicopter that first flew in 1968. It is carrying a helicopter bucket, a specialised bucket suspended on a cable to deliver water for aerial firefighting.
Reason
Good quality and EV
Articles this image appears in
Bell 212; Helitack
Creator
mbz1
Thank you for your question (it is much easier than explaining about 2+2=4 :) ). I'm never sure how to write a caption in English, but because the image was nominated as an image of a helicopter that might or might not carry the bucket I've decided to write it like this. Please feel free to correct it as you belive is right.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Muhammad - I've updated the caption. --jjron (talk) 07:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support alt. Angle and context are far better in alt for mine. However focus looks to be on the bucket and seems to leave the front of the helicopter slightly OOF, which is a little off-putting. Also a shame it wasn't a little higher up to have sky behind the chopper with the rest of the image context, as at thumbnail the chopper gets a little lost in the trees, although it's OK once you go to image page size. --jjron (talk) 07:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt Better EV as it shows the type of situation this would be used in, especially with the smoke rising from the trees behind... And where there's smoke there must be fire, and thus this image suits it better... Otherwise it's just a random helicopter with a bucket... Gazhiley (talk) 14:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support both - the original has a better view of the helicopter, the alt is useful for Helitack. We could easily feature both. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 210 FCs served 10:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:A fire helicopter with helicopter bucket.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 03:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



VERTREP Composite Pano.jpg

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Original - An MH-60S Knighthawk helicopter assigned to the "Dragon Whales" of Helicopter Combat Support Squadron Eight (HC-8), flies between USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) and the Military Sealift Command (MSC) ammunition ship USNS Mount Baker (T-AE-34) carrying a load of bombs, while conducting a vertical replenishment (VERTREP).
Reason
A pretty striking composite picture of a vertical replenishment.
Articles this image appears in
VERTREP
Creator
U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 2nd Class John L. Beeman
  • That other image isn't nearly as high EV, it doesn't show both ships, a VERTREP is ship-to-ship, this proposed image clearly shows the processes in a single image. Having a couple of the shots cutting off the helicopter at it's apex isn't that big of a deal imho since the helicopter is still clearly visible throughout the others. And how is the panaorma "wonky". — raeky (talk | edits) 05:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps it would be better to request clarification rather than leaping to conclusions. I am a former US Navy Photographer's Mate, after all. The operation being documented here is an underway replenishment--which is one of the most dangerous evolutions two ships can perform. Getting a good shot of a helicopter during vertrep is not easy (I've tried it); but to get as much of the operation as this within a single pano is incredible. Obviously there's distortion; there has to be. I've never seen a composite like this attempted before. Highly encyclopedic, and within the physical constraints of the setting it's quite a photographic accomplishment. Durova321 18:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I fully intend to renominate this in a month if it doesn't pass now. This is an astounding image, and, if I mentioned VPC, it's because Brandt acted in a completely inappropriate manner by attempting to shut down an imaghe with a high chance of passing, rather effectively since it led to you opposing over a false controversy. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 210 FCs served 05:15, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was planning to oppose before his comment. I've seen plenty composites of this type, but for birds in flight. I gather it isn't difficult at all provided you have a fairly steady pan, and a camera capable of a high frame rate. Noodle snacks (talk) 21:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And FWIW Brand did not attempt to 'shut it down', nor did he create the 'controversy'. He could have omitted his second attempted helpful sentence re VP completely, and had a perfectly valid Oppose vote rather than a Comment if he had wanted to. I find the comments directed at him here by both users quite offensive. --jjron (talk) 07:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please take this debate outside of the vote, this isn't the place for this. — raeky (talk | edits) 08:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, indeed there is no canvassing or 'shutting down', I just offered another venue if the image does not receive enough support. In terms of support/oppose I still abstain here. Brand[t] 20:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 05:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Let L-410 Turbolet

[edit]
Original - An L-410 Turboleta in flight, at the Góraszka International Airshow in Poland. Manufactured by Czech company Let Kunovice, the successful L-410 model was designed in the 1960s. Of the 1,138 planes built, this aircraft is one of approximately 500 L-410 Turboletas still in use.
Edit 1 Colour adjustments and cloned out hand
Edit 2 - Fixed halo by redoing adjustments with curves. It changes the appearance of the sky a bit, but I think this is more realistic, anyway.
Christmas turkey edit
Reason
Clearly and attractively shows the subject in flight. Good quality. As a bonus, we have very few featured civilian aircraft photographs.
Articles this image appears in
Let L-410 Turbolet, Let Kunovice
Creators
Łukasz Golowanow and Maciej Hypś

Another edit added. Please specify preference. Thanks. Makeemlighter (talk) 22:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Shoemaker: I didn't mean to advocate the removal of the hand. It just looked like a neat challenge. @Makeemlighter/Shoemaker/other closer: As far as I'm concerned, you can just promote edit 2, which seems promotable based on the current !votes. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 09:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Promoted File:Let L410UVP-E16 Góraszka 2008 edit2.JPG --Noodle snacks (talk) 09:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Sandals for men

[edit]
Original - Size 10 sandals for men made by Bata Shoes
Reason
Good quality and EV. We have too few FP of human lifestyle and culture.
Articles this image appears in
Sandal, Bata Shoes
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Promoted File:Men's size 10 Sandals.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Satchmo

[edit]
Original - Louis Armstrong in 1953
Reason
Jazz trumpeter Louis Armstrong in 1953. Restored version of File:Louis Armstrong.jpg. WP already has one FP of Armstrong File:Louis Armstrong restored.jpg, but we have been known to feature more than one image of an individual when the poses are sufficiently different (File:Queen Wilhelmina & Juliana.jpg and File:Queen Wilhelmina2.jpg, File:Elizabeth I Steven Van Der Meulen.jpg and File:Darnley stage 3.jpg). So this backstage view Armstrong has a substantially different character from the mid-performance shot.
Articles this image appears in
Louis_Armstrong#The_All_Stars, Jazz#Dixieland_revival
Creator
Herman Hiller

Promoted File:Louis Armstrong2.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 21:00, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eastern Spinebill

[edit]
Original - Eastern Spinebill (Acanthorhynchus tenuirostris), Australian National Botanic Gardens
Reason
I like this photo so thought i'd give it a go. The grevillea it was feeding on in the foreground adds enc. Unfortunately I only had a few hours at the national botanic gardens.
Articles this image appears in
Eastern Spinebill, Spinebill
Creator
Noodle snacks

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 02:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Siege of Sevastopol (1854–1855)

[edit]
Original - British lithograph published March 1855, shows winter military housing under construction with supplies borne on soldiers' backs. A dead horse lies by the roadside partially buried in snow.
Reason
An unusually large infobox nudges this image down several paragraphs below the relevant text. Specifically this illustration corresponds to "Toward the end of November, the weather broke and winter brought a storm which ruined the Allies' camps and supply lines. Men and horses became sick and starved in the poor conditions." Lithograph of wartime conditions published early 1855 shows soldiers transporting construction supplies on their own backs, with a dead horse partially buried in snow by the roadside. Restored version of File:Dead horse.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Siege of Sevastopol (1854–1855)
Creator
William Simpson (artist)

Promoted File:Dead horse 2.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 02:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Blotched Blue-tongued Lizard.

[edit]
Original - Blotched Blue-tongued Lizard (Tiliqua nigrolutea), Austin's Ferry, Tasmania, Australia, Austin's Ferry, Tasmania, Australia
Alt - per request.
Reason
Managed to get the blue tongue in the frame, which was fairly difficult as it was only jabbed out for a split second at a time. About 40cm long. I moved it from the undergrowth to some sandstone in order to get the photograph. I often see them where it was placed so enc isn't compromised. Due to the length to width ratio depth of field is a tad thin, despite being stopped down. Nothing important is missing.
Articles this image appears in
Blotched Blue-tongued Lizard, Blue-tongued skink
Creator
User:Noodle snacks

Comments on the alt, please. Makeemlighter (talk) 02:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 07:23, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Effects of Hurricane Charley

[edit]
Original - Aerial image of destroyed homes in Punta Gorda, Florida following Hurricane Charley.
Reason
I believe this is one of the best available illustrations of the destruction resulting from tropical cyclones. Despite its relatively small size, it was recently promoted to FP over at Commons, where it received unanimous support.
Articles this image appears in
Effects of tropical cyclones, Hurricane Charley
Creator
FEMA, Andrea Booher

Promoted File:Effects of Hurricane Charley from FEMA Photo Library 7.jpg --jjron (talk) 06:44, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Historical panorama of Beirut

[edit]
Original - a panorama of Beirut circa 1867
Reason
This demonstrates an era where panoramic photography debuted, and emphasis on the history of the city.
Articles this image appears in
Beirut
Creator
Maison Bonfils
After stitching and before cleaning and retouching.
  • Support as nominator --Banzoo (talk) 23:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral for now. This is a tough choice. Such a panoramic image taken during the 1860s is difficult to find, thus the picture's EV is very high. I think that technically the restoration is just not there yet as most parts appear more over-exposed than they should be. Also, perhaps using English titles may be preferable over Arabic to make it identifiable for most people. I'll think about this more. -- mcshadypl TC 07:35, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    As I am not an expert on how to evaluate old photography, I used as a reference for comparison this featured picture (around the same age), yet the resolution is less comparable to this one, and with higher exposure problems (I think). I should note too that after further examination, one may notice the significant time interval between each shot (via shadows), which may explain the difference between exposures of each frame. As of Arabic filename, originally it was meant to be used for Arabic Wikipedia, and commons has no official single language. But after finding the other frames, I thought it would be interesting for other Wikipedias too, while the names remain unchanged, but this is of a minor importance, and not part of the evaluation criteria.--Banzoo (talk) 10:32, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Very high encyclopedic value. Mostlyharmless (talk) 23:58, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have to say that i prefer the not for voting version in this case. There is more visible and the rest of my preference is subjective. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    In fact, I thought about the same thing 5 months ago (with the panorama composed of only 3 frames, if you revise the file history, before getting the hi-res version of the 4th). Anyway, I removed the not for voting label. --Banzoo (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support even with the original stain the picture is of great value Eli+ 19:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. GerardM (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2009 (UTC) Nice to have old images of important cities... it gives historic perspective[reply]

Promoted File:بيروت القرن 19 أسود أبيض.jpg --jjron (talk) 06:44, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



The burning of Columbia, South Carolina, February 17, 1865

[edit]
Original - The burning of Columbia, South Carolina, February 17, 1865, by General Sherman's troops.
Reason
Currently a VP. Looks great to me and seems to meet the criteria.
Articles this image appears in
Columbia, South Carolina, William Tecumseh Sherman, Columbia, South Carolina, in the American Civil War
Creator
William Waud
  • Support as nominator --Pmlineditor ∞ 09:28, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Changed creator. Makeemlighter (talk) 05:34, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The creator may have been Mr Waud, it is a good idea to cherish the people who do our restorations.. GerardM (talk) 19:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Lots of spots missing ink, etc. Shoemaker's Holiday nom'ed this at VP for a reason, I presume. I might reconsider my vote if he comments here. upstateNYer 03:21, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • If I understand you right, those "spots missing ink" are the sparks from the fire, and temoving them would destroy the image's intent. Now, I'll admit this is a bit smaller than I prefer, which was the main reason I nominated it for VP. I have a large personal collection of engravings, and you may have noticed that my scans from there are all very large. A bit more would be possible if this were the super-high resolution of the scans I make myself, but, for the more-than-ample size this is, I think this is reasonable. Frankly, I do not have the access to American materials that I do for Britain, since a good amount of what I do is direct scans, by me, from originals. Hence, barring the Library of Congress partnering with Wikipedia, I don't think it's reasonable to expect all featured historic material from America to match what I can do with British stuff using my access to material from multiple British sources. Of course, in the unlikely event that someone finds a better scan, this should be demoted immediately in its favour, but unless that happens, I'm quite happy to Support this. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 08:34, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nomination. Regarding the oppose comment, Shoemaker's Holiday has an excellent knowledge of period printing techniques and part of his restoration esthetic is to preserve the appearance per the technology as it existed at the time: he corrects post-publication damage but preserves flaws that were inherent to the limitations of the printer's press. This is an intrinsically valid approach and is one of the ways in which our styles differ. Durova322 06:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Durova. Mostlyharmless (talk) 08:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Sounds like a reasonable argument for inclusion. And an important part of history to spotlight.. Outback the koala (talk) 05:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:The burning of Columbia, South Carolina, February 17, 1865.jpg --jjron (talk) 06:44, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Amanita caesarea

[edit]
Original - A young specimen of the edible mushroom Amanita caesarea with cap not yet expanded.
Reason
Attractive picture, good resolution. Compare, if you like, to the valued picture version of the same species.
Articles this image appears in
Amanita caesarea, List of Amanita species
Creator
Dan Molter at Mushroom Observer

Promoted File:Amanita caesarea 54730.jpg --jjron (talk) 06:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Cantharellus lateritius

[edit]
Original - Cantharellus lateritius, an edible mushroom commonly known as the "smooth chanterelle".
Reason
Body shot of an edible chanterelle mushroom. Meets the criteria that I can see, and is high res.
Articles this image appears in
Cantharellus lateritius, Cantharellus
Creator
Dan Molter at Mushroom Observer

Not promoted - no quorum. --jjron (talk) 06:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Phallus ravenelii

[edit]
Reason
Nice image of an unusual stinkhorn mushroom. Shows the important distinguishing characteristics, including the spongy stem, the volva at the base of the stem, and a clear view of the cap.
Articles this image appears in
Phallus ravenelii, Phallaceae
Creator
John Carl Jacobs at Mushroom Observer
Sorry, no idea. Sasata (talk) 02:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 06:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Childe Harold's Pilgrimage

[edit]
Original - Frontispiece to W. Dugdale's c. 1825 edition of Childe Harold's Pilgrimage:

Lo! where the Giant on the mountain stands,
His blood-red tresses deep'ning in the sun,
With death-shot glowing in his fiery hands,
And eye that scorcheth all it glares upon;
Restless it rolls, now fixed, and now anon
Flashing a far,—and at his iron feet
Destruction cowers to mark what deeds are done.
For on this morn three potent nations meet,
To shed before his shrine the blood he deems most sweet.
Reason
High-quality scan of an early edition of Lord Byron's first major work. This was nominated before, but failed to achieve quorum (for unclear reasons).
Articles this image appears in
Childe Harold's Pilgrimage, George Gordon Byron, 6th Baron Byron
Creator
I. H. Jones
Previous nomiation
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Childe Harold's Pilgrimage (Dugdale edition)

Promoted File:Lord Byron - Childe_Harold's Pilgimage_-_Dugdale_edition.jpg --jjron (talk) 06:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


All Nippon Airways Boeing 747-400

[edit]
Original - a Boeing 747-400 with characters from Pokemon (more specifically, Pikachu and Jigglypuff), reflecting the popularity of the Pokemon franchise.
Reason
Good quality and great photo.
Articles this image appears in
Pokémon, All Nippon Airways, Cuteness in Japanese culture, Pikachu, Boeing 747-400
Creator
Denniss

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 04:10, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Gabonese Chancery building

[edit]
Original - The Chancery building in Libreville (which also serves as the US Embassy), which was targeted by Gabonese bombers in 1964.
Reason
It may be small, but t;s beautifully detailed and flawless.
Articles this image appears in
Gabon, Libreville, List of diplomatic missions of the United States , 1964 Gabon coup d'état, 1964 United States Embassy in Libreville bombings, Libreville Hospital, Template:Gabon-struct-stub.
Creator
Maksim

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 04:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Willis Towers

[edit]
Original - The Sears Tower, (since been renamed the Willis Tower) stands at sunset in downtown Chicago, Illinois.
Edit 1 fixed the issue of the height.
Reason
A picture that left me in awe, with great hues and angle also it was chosen as a featured picture by WikiProject:Architecture in 2007.
Articles this image appears in
Willis Tower, Skyscraper, Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, Tower, Chicago school (architecture), List of tallest buildings in the United States, List of tallest buildings in Chicago, List of tallest buildings by U.S. state, America's Favorite Architecture, Tube (structure), Western culture.
Creator
Soakologist

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 04:10, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sixth Generation consoles

[edit]
Original - The Sixth generation consoles from left to right: The Dreamcast, PlayStation 2, Nintendo GameCube, and the Xbox.
Reason
It's a great prensentation of the Sixth Generation video games history
Articles this image appears in
History of video game consoles (sixth generation) and Template:Sixth generation game consoles
Creator
Sega3dmm

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 04:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Sakura and Moss Pink

[edit]
Original - Sakura within a field of Phlox subulata at Yachounomori Garden in Tatebayashi, Gunma
Reason
Extremely striking image of Phlox subulata around a Sakura tree in flower. — raeky (talk | edits) 02:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Articles this image appears in
Cherry blossom, Phlox subulata
Creator
TANAKA Juuyoh

Not promoted --Nezzadar (speak) 20:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC) Clear consensus after 7 days for oppose.[reply]


The Holocaust Memorial at the California Palace of the Legion of Honor, San Francisco

[edit]
Reason
High resolutin, high EV, great symbolism.
Articles this image appears in
Holocaust Memorial at California Palace of the Legion of Honor;California Palace of the Legion of Honor;George Segal (artist);List of Holocaust memorials and museums
Creator
mbz1
  • Support as nominator --Mbz1 (talk) 13:02, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Sadly due to Freedom of panorama issues - this statue was dedicated/unveiled post 1978 in the US and therefore it is not covered by freedom of panorama, even if installed in a public place. As such this image must be considered a derivative work. Surprised it wasn't picked up on during its commons FP nomination. Mfield (Oi!) 15:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You are wrong. Please also see here--Mbz1 (talk) 16:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's a bold claim to say I am wrong so definitely. That discussion is about a different image, and concerns the text on a plaque not this image of the statues themselves. Someone else in that discussion also mentions FOP on the statues themselves. I do not believe I am wrong at all, I regularly tag a lot of US statues on commons and have a good understanding of FOP in the US. Please read Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#United_States which covers artwork. Please point me to a discussion about the image we are actually discussing if there has been one. Mfield (Oi!) 16:24, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
here As you could see this particular Memorial was not found in the registry.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mbz1, have we an equivilent of {{PD-US-1978-89}} on the English Wikipedia? I've done a lot of image work here and a considerable amount on Commons, and I believe I have never come across that... J Milburn (talk) 16:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am afraid, I am not the right person to respond your question. The nominated image was the first one I've ever taken of any statue at all. I had no idea that it could be copyrighed, before the other image from the same Memorial was nominated to get deleted. Sorry.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, that discussion is about the other image of the plaque of text. Text is not copyrightable in the US. This image we are discussing is of the statues themselves. That is a completely different issue. Mfield (Oi!) 16:35, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Have you read the link I provided? Have you seen that statement :

":::I checked the registry. There are 17 titles "Holocaust Memorial", but this one in California was not one of them, so this should be free. Probably even the sculpture that Bastique had linked to. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)" ?[reply]
(highlighted by me)--Mbz1 (talk) 16:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
However that doesn't rule out the posibility that the thing was published with a copyright notice. If it was then it's still under copyright even if not registered.©Geni 20:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
More than a months ago I contacted San Francisco art commission (the owner of the Memorial) to find out, if the Memorial is copyrighted, and who is the copyright holder. Up to know they were not able to figure that out. I'm 100% sure that, if the artist were alive, he would have not minded the image kept, and I am 100 % sure that whoever( if anybody) holds the copyrights for that memorial will not mind it either.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not even getting into the mess above, I support the nomination on it's technical merits, although I caution about the sunburst, as it is not professional and would not fit in most situations. Here though, it works well. Nezzadar (speak) 19:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because of the suburst, regardless of copyright. It doesn't seem particularly encyclopedic, even if it is aesthetically pleasing. J Milburn (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a sunburst. It calls crepuscular rays and those rays are very much encyclopedic on their own. There is also solar coronae that is slightly overexposed. It is not reflection from my lens. It is all natural phenomenon. IMO in that particular image the rays and coronae add greatly to the symbolism of the place. The only standing man is in the light, the bodies are in the shadow. The standing man still has some hope. The rays gently touching the bodies picking up the souls of innocent victims. I could have taken a "normal" good quality image of the Memorial, but IMO the place is so special that the image should be somehow special too. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've never said the rays are giving hope, and I do not think your edit summary was polite. IMO it would have been much better to simply say "oppose". Thanks--Mbz1 (talk) 02:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose too much sun. In the picture the sun is the main character. The memorial just seems to be there incidentally. also it is hard to know if relevant parts of the memorial are being cut off the photo. What is at the right of it? I mean, I am not asking, it is the picture the one that should say.  Franklin.vp  14:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do you really belive I would have cut off the relevant parts of the Memorial? There's nothing to the right.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wihdraw my nomination--Mbz1 (talk) 14:22, 14 October 2009 (UTC) Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 22:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Pentatoma rufipes

[edit]
Original - Forest bug (Pentatoma rufipes) at a cherry leaf.
Reason
a high resolution photo, good DOF and a good composition without focus stacking from a living bug.
Articles this image appears in
Pentatoma_rufipes, de:Pentatoma_rufipes, ...
Creator
Alchemist-hp

I withdraw my nomination --Alchemist-hp (talk) 22:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Arilus cristatus

[edit]
Original - Wheel bug (Arilus cristatus)
Alt1
Reason
High res, good DOF, good EV, decent lighting and composition. This is a hand-masked focus stack of two images. The alternate is a non focus-stacked image (I had to sacrifice composition to get it all in the focus plane though).
Articles this image appears in
Wheel bug
Creator
Kaldari
  • Support as nominator --Kaldari (talk) 03:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Harsh lighting on both. Taking ISO upto 800 is usually good if you dont have a complex flash setup. --Muhammad(talk) 12:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The first picture is only natural light. Probably should have used a flash to offset the direct sunlight, but I have a harder time stacking images with flash (the lighting never seems to be exactly the same). The second image used a flash which helped some with the lighting, but the ivy leaves were just too glossy I'm afraid. Kaldari (talk) 15:47, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Alt1 I agree with the light. Alt1 is terrible in that respect. Neutral on original. Nezzadar 18:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Support original, Weak support for Alt (if needed). Our standards for insect pictures are going ever upwards, and that's a good thing. Nevertheless, I think that the original here is a featured picture, in both encyclopedic value and in quality. The lighting is a little harsh, but nevertheless the insect is still extremely clear. The encyclopedic value is undeniable. Mostlyharmless (talk) 07:55, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 05:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


San Francisco Fog

[edit]
Original - The image depicts the famous San Francisco fog. The Golden Gate Bridge towers and downtown San Francisco are seen above the fog. In the background, Bay Bridge is fog-free as usual.
Reason
High quality, good EV
Articles this image appears in
San Francisco fog; San Francisco; Fog
Creator
mbz1

Promoted File:San francisco in fog with rays.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:51, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Tazawako

[edit]
Original - Lake Tazawa in Akita Prefecture, Japan
Reason
Gorgeous image showing nature and a traditional style of Japanese housing.

Note: Creator is recently deceased so will not be able to respond to questions or requests.

Articles this image appears in
Lake Tazawa, Akita Prefecture
Creator
Fg2

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 12:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Morning glory

[edit]
Original - Morning glory, genus Ipomoea
Reason
Beautiful picture, good EV, good DOF, great composition. Sadly, the original was heavily compressed. It also suffered from being noisy and over-sharpened. I've done my best to eliminate the noise and compression artifacts. While not technically perfect, I think it's still among our best photos and should be featured.
Note: Creator is recently deceased so will not be able to respond to questions or requests.
Articles this image appears in
Morning glory
Creator
Fg2

Promoted Morning-glory-C6295b.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:51, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Hall of Dreams

[edit]
Original - Yumedono (Hall of Dreams)
Edit 1 correct color balance, mitigate CA
Edit 2
Edit 4
Reason
Beautiful picture of a National Treasure of Japan.
Note: Creator is recently deceased so will not be able to respond to questions or requests.
Articles this image appears in
Hōryū-ji, List of National Treasures of Japan (temples)
Creator
Fg2

Promoted File:HoryujiYumedono0363edit4.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



I Did Not Raise My Girl To Be A Voter

[edit]
Original - Satirical political cartoon that appeared in Puck magazine, October 9, 1915. Caption "I did not raise my girl to be a voter" parodies the antiwar song "I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier". A chorus of disreputable men support a lone anti-suffrage woman.
Edit 1 See below, long story short: Sharpness enhanced.
Reason
Two of the leading political debates of the United States in 1915 were whether to grant women the right to vote and whether to enter World War I. The song "I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier" linked the two issues by suggesting that war could be ended if mothers on both sides of the front gained political power. The song's popularity inspired numerous imitators and parodies including this example. Restored version of File:I did not raise my girl to be a voter.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier, Parody#Social_and_political_uses, Women's_suffrage_in_the_United_States#World_War_I, Progressivism in the United States
Creator
Author not named in bibliographic data, indecipherable signature
I also support the edit. Mostlyharmless (talk) 07:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted - no consensus. --jjron (talk) 07:23, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reopened on special request pending new edit - give it two more days for feedback? --jjron (talk) 07:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edit 1 uploaded, Full support Edit 1. There's a few tricks for editing engravings and related line art media. The most important is to make sure your black lines really are black: Grey lines look blurry, no matter if they are blurry or not, and the black point was a decent ways left of the darkest point in the image. Fixing this, and a little extra love to the text (which never comes out right even on the original prints) can really improve images of this sort. I believe this is a photogravure, lithograph or some related process - the grey washes on the image are likely require one of those, though there's a couple other less likely possibilities, such as very high quality half-toning - so this should be pretty much what it would look like in person. The text at the bottom still looks a little blurry, but I believe that's due to the resolution: anything that has elements thinner than the pixels that make it up will appear blurry. Comic books generally print text at much higher resolution than the art, and I believe this demonstrates why: The thick-lined art looks fine, but there is no way to sharpen the text more than is seen here at this resolution. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 07:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Could you strike previous vote please. --jjron (talk) 12:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm not sure if it's enough to change my vote. It's a big improvement to perceived sharpness, and I don't see any significant drawbacks to the edit, but it's still not a great reproduction - resolution is still fairly low, detail still isn't particularly sharp. I do think the edit should replace the original in the article(s) though. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 13:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • The problem is that I've been able to raise the bar quite a bit on British works, but we have noone able and/or willing to do the same in America, nor, indeed, in most other countries. As it is, we can only work with what the only major American group providing high-quality scanned works (the LoC) provides, and very little beyond that. This means we're losing out on some major topics. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 14:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If I understand this rightly, me changing to full support tips the balance. That said, I'd rather have some more comments, if they're forthcoming. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 07:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't even know how closers judge nominations anymore, given all the confusion over the last 6 months or so! But I have heard it mentioned a couple of times the closers often disregard strong and weak votes as being worth more or less than a normal vote. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 09:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I did try to propose some guidelines, but the FPC community has been pretty adamant in saying closers should not even have guidelines to work from, so god knows what anyone does. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 09:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:I did not raise my girl to be a voter3.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I'll Miss You Dad by Cecilio M. Ricardo Jr. (second nomination)

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Original - a caption for the image, providing adequate context for voters on WP:FPC
Reason
Meets all the criteria. Was previously shot down because of all things, the name of the image. Well, okay, change it. Image is highly illustrative of a key part of a Military Brat's life, technically sound (the focus is the girl, so really, losing a centimeter of the man's boots is nothing.) Emotional, definitely some of Wikipedia's finest work.
Articles this image appears in
Military brat (U.S. subculture)
Creator
Technical Sergeant Cecilio M. Ricardo Jr., USAF
  • Support as nominator --Nezzadar (speak) 18:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. Heartfelt photo, but unfortunately there is a serious cut off, so the soldier's look is unknown. Brand[t] 19:48, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the soldier's look is irrelevent, the focus is on the child's emotions/response to a parent's departure. The fact that the parent is unseen is part of the power in this picture as anybody can then relate to the child.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 20:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The cutting off of the shoe is an issue for me. It's not an important part of the subject, but cutting it off is distracting. I dislike the background, particularly the green stuff on the left hand side and the woman, who is badly cut off and interferes with the subject, the girl. Also, there are blown highlights on the left hand side of the man's left leg, on the edge of the girl's dress, and the entire bottom of the image. Mahahahaneapneap (talk) 21:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose; not only is the random women in the background somewhat distracting, but the whole thing bothers me. It reeks of something I don't like. If that doesn't count as an oppose, so be it, but I don't like this picture at all. In any case, what does it really add to the article? J Milburn (talk) 22:24, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This shot is artistic, with a lot of emotions showing, but i find the EV highly dubious. I fail to see how we could possibly describe a "military brat" in a single picture. If the soldier was in civilian clothes, we wouldn't be able to tell he is a soldier, and that the girl qualifies as a "military brat". My point is that this is a picture of a girl hanging to what we may suppose is her father's leg...Again a great artistic shot but very low EV and use in Wikipedia (imagine the article without the picture, you don't loose any information). Ksempac (talk) 23:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per reasons given last time. And FWIW, no it wasn't "shot down because of...the name of the image" - it doesn't sound like you got much past the first oppose. The main objections were low EV, combined with other issues such as being cutoff. --jjron (talk) 05:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose. Cute, but a bit too emotive, with not enough EV. I don't think this is a subject that is easily illustrated by an image. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 13:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose just like the last time. Cacophony (talk) 03:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support per nominator.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose propaganda – Wladyslaw (talk) 12:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn Ah well, worth a shot. Still a good photo. _Nezzadar_☎_ 05:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: First nomination failed. It's here
Not promoted --_Nezzadar_☎_ 05:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC) -- Reason: nom withdraw[reply]


Michael Doucet

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Original - A photo of Cajun musician Michael Doucet playing the fiddle during a concert.
Reason
It depicts the person in question performing what he is known for. It is high quality, and it adds significance to its article.
Articles this image appears in
Michael Doucet
Creator
David Simpson

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 06:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Jumping spider with prey

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Original - A camouflaged Menemerus sp Jumping spider with a captured male ant. Photographed in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.
Reason
Nominated some time ago, it did not get the minimum voted to pass probably because of a flood of nominations and because it was not sufficiently identified. Since then, its genus has been identified and it has been stable in all the articles for over a month now. Good quality and EV and also featured on wiki commons and the German wikipedia where users are more picky.
Articles this image appears in
Ant, Camouflage, Jumping spider, Crypsis, Menemerus, Animal colouration
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Promoted File:Jumping spider with prey.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Wakehurst Place Mansion 1, West Sussex - Aug 2009.jpg

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Original - Wakehurst Place Mansion, a historic building built in 1590 on the site of the Wakehurst Place Gardens which is part of the Royal Botanical Gardens in West Sussex, England.
Reason
Very detailed, perspective-corrected frontal view of Wakehurst Place Mansion
Articles this image appears in
Wakehurst Place Garden
Creator
User:Diliff

Promoted File:Wakehurst Place Mansion 1, West Sussex - Aug 2009.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Admiralty Extension from Horse Guards Parade - Sept 2006.jpg

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Original - The Admiralty Extension, built in the late 19th century, is the largest of Admiralty Buildings built to house the authority responsible for the command of the Royal Navy in the United Kingdom. Redesigned while under construction to accommodate the extra offices needed due to the naval arms race with the German Empire, it served as the headquarters of the Admiralty until 1964 when it was subsumed into the Ministry of Defence in nearby Whitehall.
Reason
Very detailed, high resolution image of an interesting and historical building in London.
Articles this image appears in
Admiralty
Creator
User:Diliff
  • I assume you're referring to the netting that is hanging over that part of the structure, to protect the building from the filth of the ubiquitous London pigeon. If you look a little further to the right, you can see the netting clearly against the sky. Maedin\talk 06:21, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, then I keep my support vote for the image (I thought it was some error in the photo). - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 00:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Admiralty Extension from Horse Guards Parade - Sept 2006.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Australia from space

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Original - Australia, as seen from space. A cropped version of NASA's Blue Marble. Included in this image at top right are the Torres Strait Islands, below the island of New Guinea. A number of other outlying islands and territories of Australia are outside this image.
Reason
This image illustrates the articles in a way that is attractive and highly encyclopedic. Compares equally in quality to other such Featured Pictures, of which Sahara satellite is the most comparable.
Articles this image appears in
Australia, Geography of Australia
Creator
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

Promoted File:Australia satellite plane.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Hamatsa shaman

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Original - A Hamatsa shaman, 1914.
Reason
Member of a Canadian First Nations secret society. The expression really catches one's attention, enough so to be worth working on a file a bit smaller than the usual fare (but still enough to meet FP criteria). Restored version of File:Hamatsa shaman.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Shamanism#North_America, Hamatsa
Creator
Edward S. Curtis

Promoted File:Hamatsa shaman2.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



A poilu on leave

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Original - Journée du Poilu. 25 et 26 décembre 1915 (trans. "The poilu's holiday, December 25 and 26, 1915"). French World War I poster by Adolphe Willette about a Poilu's Christmas leave from the front.
Reason
A World War I poster by a notable artist. Restored version of File:Alone at last.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Poilu, Adolphe Willette
Creator
Adolphe Willette

Promoted File:Alone at last2.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Indian Palm Squirrel

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Original - Indian Palm Squirrel pictured in Bangalore, India
Reason
Another renomination. First time was short by half a support from promotion. It has been stable in the Indian Palm Squirrel article for over a month now. Good quality and EV.
Articles this image appears in
Funambulus, Indian Palm Squirrel
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Promoted File:Indian Palm Squirrel Bangalore 2009.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Gama

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Original - Late nineteenth century Korean sedan chair, known as a gama, used for transport by the upper classes.
Reason
After months of searching for material to balance the Japanese predominance of our East Asian artwork FPs, have located a very high resolution illustration (26MB) of a Korean sedan chair, or gama. Watercolor, late nineteenth century. Restored version of File:Gama.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Litter (vehicle)
Creator
unknown: not signed, no information in record

Promoted File:Gama2 crop.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:20, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Carla Bruni

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Original - Carla Bruni during the 2008 Armistice Day ceremony (November 11, 2008).
Reason
High res and high quality shot of the "First Lady of France". It is Featured Picture on Commons and German Wikipedia.
Articles this image appears in
Carla Bruni
Your Songs
Creator
Remi Jouan

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 12:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Synagogue on D-Day (redux)

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Original - A synagogue on West Twenty-Third Street in New York City remained open 24 hours on D-Day for special services and prayer.
Reason
An earlier restoration of this photograph garnered 7 supports, 1 weak support, 1 neutral, and 4 opposes: Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Synagogue on D-Day. Since that time the name of the congregation and its location have been identified, and this new edit reflects substantial improvement upon the previous version. Note the contrast on the faces and texture on the doors and masonry. Restored version of File:Synagogue D-Day.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
History of the Jews in the United States#World War II and the Holocaust, United States home front during World War II#Civilian support for war effort
Creator
United States Farm Security Administration

Promoted File:Synagogue D-Day3.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:23, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Entoloma austroprunicolor

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Original - Entoloma austroprunicolor, Wielangta Forest, Tasmania
Reason
This species was only formally described about two years ago, which is interesting. Good quality focus stack. The introduced oxalis gives scale :P.
Articles this image appears in
Entoloma austroprunicolor, Entoloma,
Creator
Noodle snacks

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 12:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Marasmius elegans

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Original - Marasmius elegans, Wielangta Forest, Tasmania
Reason
A personal favourite. Can see all above ground parts clearly, including the orange colouring and hairs around the base, which were important for the id.
Articles this image appears in
Marasmius elegans, Marasmius
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Marasmius elegans.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]




Tremella mesenterica

[edit]
Original - Tremella mesenterica, Granton, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
Good quality, good enc (can see the rotting wood). Focus stack improves depth of field.
Articles this image appears in
Tremella, Tremellales, Tremellaceae, Tremellomycetes, Tremella mesenterica
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Tremella mesenterica.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Pholiota malicola

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Original - Pholiota malicola
Reason
Good enc, fairly clean background which isn't often the case for fungi.
Articles this image appears in
Pholiota, Strophariaceae, Pholiota malicola
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Pholiota malicola.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Carpenter Bee head and compound eyes

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Original - Head of a carpenter bee showing the compound eyes. Pictured in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.
Reason
Another renomination, it hardly received any attention during its first run. Good quality, EV and wow. Also, been stable in article for 3 months now.
Articles this image appears in
Eye, Carpenter bee
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 11:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

St. Simeon Stylites

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Original - A 1901 photogravure illustration by W. E. F. Britten for Alfred Tennyson's poem St. Simeon Stylites, based on Simeon Stylites, the first of the pillar saints.       "And yet I know not well,
For that the evil ones come here, and say,
'Fall down, O Simeon; thou hast suffered long
For ages and for ages!'"
Reason
An excellent photogravure, very illustrative of both the many strengths and occasional flaws of the process. Illustrates a major poem.
Articles this image appears in
Simeon Stylites, Photogravure, Stylites, St. Simeon Stylites (poem), W. E. F. Britten
Creator
W. E. F. Britten
  • Support as nominator --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 08:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. My apologies for doing this, as this was the case with some of your earlier nominations, but I have a question or comment. The image is of unquestionable encyclopedic value, but I feel difficulty in evaluating it as an example of photogravure. A reviewer describes his work as having "power of graceful composition and sympathey with his subject". Having looked at other examples of photogravure on the internet, I'm not sure what makes this an "excellent" one, and how it 'illustrates the many strengths and weaknesses of the process'. This isn't a criticism, or an !oppose, rather a call for further comment from someone unfamiliar with this type of artwork. I'm sure many here are equally unfamiliar. Mostlyharmless (talk) 10:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Those are certainly full answers. I was tending towards supporting on EV, but I'll take your opinion on technical merit as well. On the basis of your last comment SH, I wonder if the EV of the image in photogravure would be increased by the insertion of other images which show different applications of the technique. Mostlyharmless (talk) 12:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It probably could be, but I'm a little worried about original research if I try to discuss them. I have some Gilbert Holiday photogravures, I should try and get them prepared, and add one of them and the Canterville Ghost ones to the article (the Holiday are in a similar style to the Ideal Husband, but on a grander scale, with a better subject and art, and are by a notable artist). Trouble is I have to use the university scanners, and they can be hard to get good results out of. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 14:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I really wasn't inspired to review this at first, but seeing as it was solicited at talkpage, I kind of see it as a below-par illustration by a fairly minor artist. Sorry! --mikaultalk 09:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support mainly for ev at the photogravure article. Durova327 05:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 11:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Kitchener Wants You

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File:Stanstead Abbotts History Society NeedsYou.jpg
Original - 'A 1914 recruitment poster depicting Secretary of State for War Lord Kitchener above the words "WANTS YOU" was the most famous image used in the British Army recruitment campaign of World War I. The poster was designed by Alfred Leete. A similar poster used the words "YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU".'
Reason
An often imitated image of high cultural and historical significance.
Articles this image appears in
Herbert Kitchener, 1st Earl Kitchener, Lord Kitchener Wants You, Big Brother (Nineteen Eighty-Four)
Creator
Alfred Leete
See featured images below to compare size and quality. Jakeb (talk) 00:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What now? I don't see what you mean. All the other pics are 1000+ x 1000+. The size they are on this page means nothing, its the size of the actual photo. Go here: Wikipedia:What is a featured picture?/Image size. Note that the image you nominated is 532 x 735. _Nezzadar_☎_ 03:58, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, and I removed the photos for formatting reasons. They are
  1. File:I did not raise my girl to be a voter3.jpg
  2. File:Lord Byron - Childe Harold's Pilgimage - Dugdale edition.jpg
The reason that these two passes is that the second is clearly the right size and the first is just under it, but it is seemingly impossible to get a hold of a larger version. _Nezzadar_☎_ 04:03, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually the criterion is that an image is at least 1000px on at least one dimension, not both dimensions. Thus both images meet the criteria. Exceptions can still be made in rare cases. (BTW Nezzadar, do you really need such a complex sig? It makes it hard to edit after you and follow discussions as your sig takes up at least 5 lines in the edit window for every edit you do.) --jjron (talk) 11:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Speedy Close. Fails criteria. Per Durova's suggestion, another nomination has been put up on the same topic. --  Nezzadar ☎   21:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: have posted user about closing noms in which he's been involved. --jjron (talk) 07:19, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


PSP Slim & Lite

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Original - The PSP-2000 (known as the PSP Slim and Lite in the PAL regions). The PSP-2000 consists of an improved LCD screen with an increased color range, five times the contrast ratio, half the pixel response time to reduce ghosting and blurring effects, a new sub-pixel structure, a microphone, a new disc tray design, new button designs and logos, and anti-reflective technology to improve outdoor playability. It can also output all games by component or composite using the video out cable.
Reason
Like the color and design. Also, it was chosen as the selected picture for Portal:Sony twice. See: Portal:Sony PlayStation/Selected picture/3 and Portal:Sony PlayStation/Selected article/9.
Articles this image appears in
PlayStation Portable , Comparison of handheld game consoles, History of video game consoles (seventh generation), PlayStation Portable Slim & Lite series, and Template:List of PSP Models .
Creator
FredStrauss

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Jens Stoltenberg

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Original - The Prime Minister of Norway, Jens Stoltenberg, accompanying Bill and Melinda Gates on their visit to the Opera in 2009
Edit 1
Reason
A strong illustration of the subject. The hair and shoulders are just slightly overexposed, but for an outdoor shot in direct sunlight this is pretty good. It's fairly candid and apparently unposed. Works well as the lead illustration in Jens Stoltenberg, obvious value in Norway and List of heads of government of Norway as well.
Articles this image appears in
Jens Stoltenberg, Norway, List of heads of government of Norway.
Creator
User:Kjetil_r

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 04:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Battle of Kennesaw Mountain

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Original - "Kennesaw's Bombardment, 64", sketch of the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain by war correspondent Alfred Waud.
Reason
Alfred Waud was a war correspondent for the New York Illustrated News during the American Civil War. This is digitized from an original sketch of the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain during the Atlanta Campaign. A conservative restoration of File:Kennesaw bombardment.jpg mainly removed dirt specks and corrected for irregular paper fade. Also removed a librarian's note and supporting capital punishment for sloppy librarians.
Articles this image appears in
Battle of Kennesaw Mountain, Alfred Waud
Creator
Alfred Waud
  • Support as nominator --Durova325 16:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose (for now, open to persuasion). Interesting one. Artistically, I'd say that this holds absolutely no merit. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it's not really adding to the article on the battle. Of course, the guy's a famous artist, so what I think of his artwork counts for nothing. However, judging from the Commons gallery, this does not seem to be a stunning example of his work. For instance, what are the pencil marks in the sky meant to represent? J Milburn (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. What are the lines in the sky representing? I'd like to support this (I think it has EV in both articles, artistic merit), but these don't make sense to me. Mostlyharmless (talk) 02:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • You know as much as I do; the bibliographic notes don't explain those lines. He was a war correspondent who sketched while battles were ongoing, so it's conceivable he may have begun from a different location and withdrawn for safety reasons after making a few lines, then completed this sketch from a different part of the battle. This was a piece of graphic journalism intended for duplication and reproduction, rather than a static artwork created for independent display. Durova325 02:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment If I had to guess, I would say those are framing lines. They are usually temporary guides so that the artist can keep a momentary image (say a cloud of cannon smoke) in the proper place after the moment has passed. I use them and then erase them, but they leave marks in the paper and show up in scans. These appear not to have even been erased.   Nezzadar ☎   18:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Thanks Durova, that's what I thought, but I don't like to make assumptions. This has encyclopedic value as a representation of Waud's artistic style, and reasonably good EV for representing the battle, particularly as an "on the spot" representation in the era before battle-lines war photography. I've seen civil war era cannons in action, and on that basis it isn't hard at all to imagine a scene like this, with clouds of smoke obscuring and creating the "fog of war". Mostlyharmless (talk) 04:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm a fan of these pre-photojournalism sketches and this is a nice one, with very good EV for a notable artist. --mikaultalk 21:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. High EV for Alfred Waud. Spikebrennan (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. For the Vaud article certainly. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Kennesaw bombardment2.jpg --  Nezzadar ☎   19:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Western Gray Squirrel

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Reason
high technical standard, high resolution, free license, avoids unnecessary digital alteration.
Articles this image appears in
Squirrel (ineligible: gallery), Western Gray Squirrel
Creator
Fastily


Support as nominator --FASTILY (TALK) 04:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Cropped Squirrel!!! Yay!!! ... but really, high quality photo, good but not great EV, makes the cut. Uncropped version, not so much, but hey, cropped one works.   Nezzadar ☎   05:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hold the phones. Weak Oppose per its exceedingly low EV on the one article it is placed on. Oops. If a subspecies specific page comes about and that photo is used, come again.   Nezzadar ☎   05:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, sorry, I meant to add it to Western Gray Squirrel originally. -FASTILY (TALK) 05:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I changed the nomination details above to reflect that the image is only in a gallery at the very end of the squirrel article. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 11:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Full Support Yours is the better gray squirrel, so if you switch yours in for the lead on the page Western Gray Squirrel then I'll support. If not, too low EV for my taste.   Nezzadar ☎   17:35, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Better quality perhaps, but the 'whole animal' image is more suitable for the taxobox. A number of your votes on recent noms are based on how prominent the image is in the article. While I can sympathise with your reasoning, and agree that an image should be suitably placed for sufficient EV, please be aware that article positioning can be short term - for example if this went into the taxobox and in two weeks someone switched it back out would you put it up for delisting? What we are evaluating is whether the image contributes sufficient EV to an article, not how prominently it is displayed. --jjron (talk) 11:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I really think this might be a young California Ground Squirrel. Note the ear tips, the incomplete eye ring and the mottling on the body. –droll [chat] 18:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdraw Nomination. Droll brings up an excellent point. I'd like an opportunity to verify the species of the squirrel lest it should be erroneously displayed on the main page. -FASTILY (TALK) 02:26, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 06:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Campaign button

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  • Alts 1 (supplied for voting)
Reason
The United States presidential election of 1860 saw the earliest use of candidate portraits on campaign buttons. This example is a two sided button with a tintype portrait of Abraham Lincoln on one side and a corresponding portrait of his running mate on the reverse. These images have not been restored due to use at the tintype article which compares the durability of this process to other photographic media of the period.
Articles this image appears in
United States presidential election, 1860, Political campaign, Tintype, Campaign button, Hannibal Hamlin
Creator
Matthew Brady, photographer
upstateNYer 02:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • (1) - Historically, campaign buttons were originally buttons that were sewn into clothing. (2) and (3) - Negligible. Durova322 02:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • But that's not the case for this one. It has an obverse and a reverse, meaning it was meant to be flipped at will, something clothing buttons can't do. It almost looks like it's to be worn around the neck like a medallion. Also, who took the photos? That credit isn't mentioned. upstateNYer 04:11, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Comment Agree with UpstateNYer-- Brady may have taken the tintype, but the tintype only takes up a small percentage of the nominated photo. I'd be concerned about the license of the nominated photo. Spikebrennan (talk) 12:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, how much does the string (and large grey area around it) really aid the understanding of the reader? A closer crop around the button would definitely look better in the various article and be more focused on the topic it's illuminating (the person being depicted, the photography method, etc). The reduced pixel-count and file size of a crop would also help with loading times and make the image more accessible. Guest9999 (talk) 14:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I agree they need to be cropped. The string adds nothing to the images, IMO. Kaldari (talk) 19:50, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Response to comments The two-sided button and the manner of attachment were elements which I presumed would be understood without need for specific background, but apparently I erred when making that estimate. Here's a quote that gives the basics:
"From the earliest days of the nation, political trinkets such as clothing buttons...were used during each campaign cycle. Inaugural clothing buttons were produced for George Washington. Campaign medals, often about the size of a quarter, could be drilled or 'holed,' attached to a string, and worn on a man’s lapel. With the expansion of photography in the mid-nineteenth century, ferrotype (an early type of photography) buttons were used. These were followed by cheaper, round, pin-backed buttons or shirt studs that had small photographs of candidates glued onto them. In the 1860 presidential race, this type of “button” was produced for Lincoln, Douglas, Bell, and Breckenridge, the major candidates of that pivotal election."[13]
This was the oldest photographic button I was able to locate. There were also two photo buttons from the 1864 election which were historically interesting: one was a two sided button with a fragment of antique ribbon through the hole and another was an early stick pin button (which suffered from substantial corrosion). On balance, the encyclopedic value of the Lincoln/Hamlin button seemed greater because 1860 appears to have been the first year in which photographic campaign buttons were used.
Per the bibliographic notes, these photographs were taken by Library of Congress staff and are US Government public domain. The button manufacturer is not named in the record but obviously passes PD-1923 by a wide margin. It would confuse viewers to composite these photographs, because that would create a misleading impression of two items rather than one. The string provides a visual suggestion of the way the item was worn. If someone really wants to crop and rotate I won't object, but it seems that a two-sided political button makes more sense with the context that the string provides--since people wear political buttons so differently now. Durova322 20:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 06:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Seal of New Netherlands

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Original - the seal of New Netherlands
Reason
high quality SVG with wide usage (89 pages) and high EV. It is part of the New Netherlands series infobox.
Articles this image appears in
all of the New Netherlands series pages, including Wall Street, Harlem, Jamaica, Queens and 85 other pages.
Creator
Our good friend ZooFari
  • Support as nominator --  Nezzadar ☎   18:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: As this was originally used in the 1600s, it is public domain. Digitising it does not suddenly give you the copyright. This should not be promoted until the licensing is accurate. J Milburn (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Since copyright is not my strong suit, I nominate you to pursue this. If not, I see no reason why a digital illustration can't be owned. If I wanted to draw the Eiffel Tower, I could protect the image, so why not with a seal. I am not trying to dump my responsibilities on you, I just don't understand copyright.   Nezzadar ☎   18:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've corrected the license info. Kaldari (talk) 19:02, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • (ec)This is a derivative work. In the US, the copyright of a derivative work is with the original copyright holder- if I take a photo of a photo you have taken, the photo I take is owned by you. An exact copy of a work in the public domain is also in the public domain, as there is no artistic input from the copier. (This is not true elsewhere, such as in the UK, where the law recognises the "sweat of the brow"- the effort people put in to creating a reproduction). J Milburn (talk) 19:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose. The vectorization is flawless, but the original artwork is not especially compelling. Nor does it have a high degree of encyclopedic value (I don't feel like I understand much more about New Netherlands from seeing its seal). If there were an article on the seal itself, I might support. Also, I agree that the license is bogus. "Sweat of the brow" is not valid in the United States. A slavish reproduction of a public domain drawing cannot be copyrighted in the US. Kaldari (talk) 18:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I think this nomination raises an interesting question. If we accept that this seal is a perfect reproduction, and has inherent value simply for being the seal, does this mean that every PD seal, logo, flag and such can also be considered a potential FP? This seal is used alongside the rather simple flag of the New Netherlands; should we also be nominating that? J Milburn (talk) 19:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I was trying to nominate something ZooFari had done that was of particular value, but it seems like this isn't it. Well alright then. I happen to think the seal was well done, however I am benching the subission, as there are clear issues here.   Nezzadar ☎   20:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~Withdrawn --  Nezzadar ☎   20:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Vauxhall Gardens

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Original - An entertainment in Vauxhall Gardens in c.1779 by Thomas Rowlandson. Elizabeth Billington is singing from the balcony. The two women in the centre are Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire and her sister Lady Duncannon. The man seated at the table on the left is Samuel Johnson, with James Boswell to his left and Oliver Goldsmith to his right. To the right the actress and author Mary Darby Robinson stands next to the Prince of Wales, later George IV
Edit 1
Reason
Something I've been sitting on far too long. Might play with levels and a couple minor things tomorrow, but on the whole, I think it's time to put this forwards.
Articles this image appears in
Vauxhall Gardens, Thomas Rowlandson, and Elizabeth Billington
Creator
Thomas Rowlandson

NOTE: Please leave this open a little longer. I've asked Durova to do an edit Shoemaker's Holiday Over 209 FCs served 00:04, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suspended per request of Shoemaker's Holiday. Makeemlighter (talk) 01:59, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Time to move it on...? These edits rarely seem to be forthcoming once it ends up suspended. --jjron (talk) 12:43, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the delay. Will do it now. Durova325 01:40, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unsuspended. Please comment on the edit. Makeemlighter (talk) 21:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:03193u Vauxhall Johnson, Mary Robinson, and so on 6.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 01:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Celadon Incense Burner from the Goryeo Dynasty (918-1392)

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Original - Celadon incense burner from the Goryeo Dynasty (918-1392), with Korean kingfisher glaze, is the National Treasure of South Korea #95, and currently resides at the National Museum of Korea in Seoul.
Edit 1
Reason
Recently promoted as Quality Image meeting Featured Picture Criteria and is a significant cultural object in Korean history. This rare Celadon Incense Burner museum piece is designated National Treasure of South Korea #95 and is one of the finest examples of Korean Celadon ceramics.
Articles this image appears in
History of Korea#Goryeo, Culture_of_Korea#Ceramics, Korean pottery and porcelain, National Treasures of South Korea, Celadon, Goryeo ware
Creator
Steve46814
  • Oppose Even if this is the best executed shot possible, why simply settle? The lighting is just too dark. -- mcshadypl TC 20:12, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Although you're entitled to your comment, my right above comment to inform of "the fact" has no indication of any "simple settle". I find the image high quality with educational values.--Caspian blue 04:08, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose On a lighting basis. I'm surprised that a museum would use such high key lighting in the first place. Noodle snacks (talk) 10:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tried a crop and an edit. Although the lighting is very high key, it does bring out textures that would otherwise be quite hard to capture. Durova326 17:03, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Might as well come out and support edit 1. Directional lighting serves a useful purpose here by emphasizing contours which would otherwise be difficult to discern. As a technical matter of ceramic construction, the successive layering of the petals and the openwork bulb at top are virtuoso workmanship. A bit of shadow/highlight adjustment tones down the highlights to reveal beautiful glazework, and shows more of the object's features such as the lower half of the bulb. Durova326 20:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Ahhh! Someone who recognizes the high artistic value of the subject and understands the objective of the style of lighting employed here. And this edit does improve this image noticeably. Thanks for the time editing and commenting on this effort. Steve46814 (talk) 19:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's a big difference between correctly employed (directional) lighting for the human eye and for a camera, that is part of the problem. The kind of dynamic range required to catch the highlights and still retain some shadow detail is not yet achievable with a single shot (and HDR is going to be tricky without a tripod at this light level). The human eye at the museum is not going to be seeing what this single shot is displaying. I know it is of no concern to the museum as they are not lighting it for cameras but the upshot is that it is not a good lighting setup for photographing this object. Maybe it's one of those subjects that it may be impossible to get an FP of. The shadow lift has unfortunately brought up some fairly nasty color noise which suggests that there is simply not enough captured information in the extreme shadows to be worked with as they are as black as the floor of the case itself. Mfield (Oi!) 01:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Understood. The human eye responds much better to this sort of lighting than cameras do. And agreed regarding your criticism of the shadow lift. One problem with museum shots is that people often review them at FPC as if the photographer had full control over the conditions, when often they don't. Do we exercise greater flexibility when the artwork is really major and not theoretically replaceable with a better lit shot of a similar piece? Durova327 05:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's four days in with a four-four deadlock. In the end, this nomination is going to get killed unless additional voices are brought it. Where are the regulars. I see Durova, noodle and Caspian, where are Shoebox, jjron, and makeemlighter? Come on people. This is too important of an image to die because of lack of consensus.   Nezzadar ☎   02:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shoebox lol. Four-four's not exactly a deadlock, and besides someone's got to be around to close it... --jjron (talk) 06:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Shoemaker I am so sorry. I really need to stop editing late at night.   Nezzadar ☎   15:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you need to temper your enthusiasm with a realistic look at who are the regulars here, as there are surely more that the 6 that you mention. Mfield (Oi!) 00:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oy vey! This is why I don't usually list. I didn't say "the be all, end all, holy exclusive list of people that matter," I merely listed the people active in the last week. In case you didn't notice, those are the people active in the last week. I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else. Sheesh.   Nezzadar ☎   04:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 01:49, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Carpenter ant

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Original - A carpenter ant drinking water. Pictured in Kibaha, Tanzania
edit 1 Cropped
Reason
Yet another renom. Good quality and EV, showing an interesting behaviour. Could be added to other articles as well. Countering bias against ant images. Previous Nom
Articles this image appears in
Carpenter ant, Formicinae
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim
I believe it was lost in the flood. --jjron (talk) 13:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Carpenter ant Tanzania crop.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 10:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Marken, the Netherlands

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Original - Marken is a peninsula in the IJsselmeer, the Netherlands, located in the municipality Waterland in the province North Holland. It is a former island, which nowadays is connected to the mainland by a causeway. Visible in this panaroma are the community of Grote Werf with the village of Marken in the background. Marken is famous for its green wooden houses and it is a major tourist attraction.
Reason
Quality+EV
Articles this image appears in
Marken and Tourism in the Netherlands
Creator
Massimo Catarinella
Why is the EV low? It is a postcard shot of a famous tourist attraction. This would be the same as stating that a shot of the Big Ben would have a low EV. Also, what do you mean by that last phrase about the focus? --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 16:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I meant by that that the bottom half of the picture is grass and nothing but grass. I was trying to be polite about it. Also, there is a big difference between Big Ben and a few houses and a cow or three. Your picture is one of at least three on both pages, and offers little to the page Tourism in the Netherlands. Therefore it only has EV on Marken. I say that makes it rather low. Sorry. _Nezzadar_☎_ 18:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Millions come from around the world annually to see 'these few houses and this typical Dutch landscape'. Truckloads of Americans and Japanese are dropped off there to take pictures. The difference between the Big Ben and Marken isn't that big if you know this (although there still is a difference but you catch my drift hopefully). The fact that you haven't heard of it, isn't a valet reason imo to oppose. It is also mentioned in the article Tourism in the Netherlands explicitly so it definitely belongs there. The landscape is a critical part of the site so cutting out the grass would only diminish its EV. It's the same of taking a picture of the Empire State Building and cutting out the rest of Manhattan. I could make a crop of only the houses if you would like me to. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 20:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support 00:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC) (vote by GerardM)
  • Weak support - Very good detail and resolution, but I think it should have more EV. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 00:26, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. On the basis of a Google image search this shot seems very typical of Marken, showing its wooden houses and green farmland. It doesn't seem to have much else, apart from quaint villagers and a small tourist industry. I wonder if a slightly tighter crop of the grass would improve it as an image though.Mostlyharmless (talk) 01:03, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I couldn't have said it any better ;). That's exactly what Marken is like. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 17:13, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I should clarify my wondering out loud; I think the image is fine as it is, and a crop may or may not improve it. I tend towards leaving as is. Mostlyharmless (talk) 02:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It's a well composed and interesting scene, and I agree that it's representative of Dutch farmland. I'm not sure that it's uniquely Dutch though, but it doesn't have to be to have good EV. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 08:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Fantastic image: I've looked at it three or four times now, and have spotted something new each time! The quality is excellent, which means the most encyclopedically-interesting subjects -- the buildings in the background -- can be seen in detail. A crop would remove a lot of the valuable contextual detail. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 08:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:GroteWerfMarkenNederland.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 10:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Common Blackbird

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Original - Female Common Blackbird (Turdus merula) on her nest.
Not for voting edit by jjron - less yellow
Reason
Demonstrates nesting behaviour and construction. You can just see a newly born chick poking it's head out. I put the camera on a tripod when the mother was getting food and used a long remote release to take this picture without distributing disturbing the subject.
Articles this image appears in
Common Blackbird, Bird nest
Creator
Noodle snacks

with bird's nests- just as there is at least one FP for every species, there's at least one FP for every nest full of eggs. Very few reference works contain pictures of the eggs, which means that identifying birds from their eggs is annoyingly difficult. J Milburn (talk) 11:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Turdus merula Nesting.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 09:59, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Rosa Parks with Martin Luther King Jr. in Background

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Original - Rosa Parks at the time of her involvement in the Civil Rights movement, with Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in the background.
Reason
Picture of historic value. The nicest picture of Rosa Parks as she looked at the time of the incident. Does not meet size requirements, but historical value and lack of other available photos of her at the time should make up for that. If not, I'll withdraw it.
Articles this image appears in
Rosa Parksheadliner image, Civil disobedience, African American, 2005, List of Congressional Gold Medal recipients, United States in the 1950s, others.
Creator
National Archives and Records Administration Records of the U.S. Information Agency Record Group 306
  • Support as nominator --  Nezzadar ☎   20:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I don't look at this picture and think "wow, this is amazing, I learn so much" so I'm not really seeing why we should ignore the size requirements. Not of particularly high quality, composition is a little ordinary/snapshotty... I just don't think this is FP material. J Milburn (talk) 22:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Does not meet size or quality requirements, and there is insufficient evidence that this photograph is historically unique, given that she was a reasonably high profile public figure for half a century and we have a large number of photographs of her. Mostlyharmless (talk) 22:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah well. Never mind then. Withdrawn.   Nezzadar ☎   22:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Withdrawn--  Nezzadar ☎   22:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Lotus flower close up

[edit]
Original - A close up of the lotus flower (Nelumbo nucifera)
Reason
deserving, high detail photo of a flower with tremendous religious significance. This particular lotus has been picked up as the image for the Buddhism in China and the Mahayama Buddhism link templates, giving it massive exposure.
Articles this image appears in
Tibetan Buddhism, Buddhism in China, Pure Land Buddhism, at least 50 others.
Creator
Ram-Man


I think I am getting the hang of this. Thanks for the feedback. Withdrawn. Not promoted --  Nezzadar ☎   14:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Magnolia virginiana

[edit]
Original - the flower of the angeosperm Magnolia virginiana
Reason
Large close up shot of the flower of the plant Magnolia. High EV, High quality, shows entire flower cluster.
Articles this image appears in
flowering plant, Magnolia virginiana
Creator
Ram-Man

I think I am getting the hang of this. Thanks for the feedback. Withdrawn. Not promoted --  Nezzadar ☎   14:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


House crow

[edit]
Original - A house crow in Bangalore, India
Edit 1 with auto white balance
Reason
Good quality, composition, DOF and EV. Much better than the other images in the articles
Articles this image appears in
House Crow, Corvus (genus), List of birds of Oman
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Not promoted --  Nezzadar ☎   14:12, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus is for oppose, image ignored by the community at large.

Nezzadar, I stated on a previous occasion and also commented on your talkpage NOT to close nominations with which you've been involved (voting, nominating, etc). Please refrain from doing so again. --jjron (talk) 13:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops. I thought no one would mind since I closed for the opposite of what I voted. Ah well, live and learn.   Nezzadar ☎   16:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
May be OK if no one else was around to close, but given there's plenty of people closing atm there's no good reason to do so. --jjron (talk) 03:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


"The Raven", Édouard Manet's illustrations

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Reason
It is really special to locate a complete set of illustrations by a major artist for a famous piece of literature. In 1875 Édouard Manet, a leading French impressionist, made a series of lithographs for a translation of Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven". The Library of Congress owns a first edition in excellent condition and has scanned at high resolution. Restored from File:Raven Manet B.jpg, File:Raven Manet C.jpg, File:Raven Manet D.jpg, and File:Raven Manet E.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
"The Raven", Édouard Manet, Edgar Allan Poe
Creator
Édouard Manet
  • See the upload notes and the original publication, which is linked from the hosting file. The printer ran it that way. If you find a source that says the printer did so without Manet's consent, then would gladly rotate. It would be original research to surmise that this was accidental: for all we know it was an intentional piece of artist's wit. Durova327 13:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Normal Support Yeah, when the upside down one is fixed, I'll support fully. _Nezzadar_☎_ 05:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Manet's lithographs and its first edition with fine restoration, high educational values, so what else could make me hesitated for promoting the fine illustrations? :-) As for the upside down signature in question, I don't think we should apply a sort of "political correctness" to the print without knowing what was the artist and publisher's intention at that time. As we know, Manet explored various artistic adventures that shook the convention at that time. Even if we can get "second" or other editions" of the book, or analysis that shows the original print could be en error, I don't think the original images should be corrected. I see no problem as it is.--Caspian blue 14:52, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support High EV. All evidence points to the current orientation of the last image. — Jake Wartenberg 21:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment What "evidence" is this. Clearly the raven is in the shadow of the figure standing near the chair. It's basic symbolism, in that the raven has become part of the narrators persona due to his damaged mental state. Besides, why draw a chair upside down. It doesn't add up. _Nezzadar_☎_ 00:03, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Just read the response above by Durova. Man Poe was f--ked up. Ah well. Per WP:SNOW I'll withdraw the request for rotation, but I still can't fathom why it would be placed upsided down, because it is upside down... _Nezzadar_☎_ 00:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • The narrator of the poem is grieving the death of the woman he wanted to marry, and the bird's presence brings him close to nervous collapse. It's possible that the artist and/or printer wished to suggest vertigo with the final image. If any source states that the orientation was a printer error then of course we can correct that immediately. But without a source to say whether this was accidental or deliberate, the NOR choice is to use the book's orientation and note it in the caption and file hosting page. Durova327 05:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nominator. Mostlyharmless (talk) 08:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As per Occam's razor, I think a decision to display the image upside down, in the absence of any proof that this was anyone's intention, is at least as flawed as a decision to revert the image to the orientation indicated by the signature. While I have no particular interest in this nomination, I feel compelled not to let this become a precedent for a misapplication of WP:NOR. The most parsimonious explanation here is that it's a simple mistake - anything else requires invoking more complicated properties, intentions, or circumstances that cannot be substantiated one way or the other. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 17:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's a question of whether to cross the WP:NOR line. We know how it appeared but not why. So what we can do without original research is to display the image as it appeared in publication and note the discrepancy. If anyone locates a secondary source that comments upon the orientation then we could treat that as definitive. Durova331 21:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, these images seem to be adding a lot to the article as a set. In some ways, I would prefer to see the original illustrations rather than a later set. I am strongly inclined to agree with Durova as to the upside-down-yness of the last image- it's not our place to make normative judgements about what images should have looked like. J Milburn (talk) 00:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per J Milburn. Mostlyharmless (talk) 04:37, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support; they all look good. NW (Talk) 03:18, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Promoted set --Staxringold talkcontribs 20:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Helen Keller

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Original - Helen Keller in 1904.
Reason
Author and social activist Helen Keller was the first deafblind person to earn a Bachelor of Arts degree. Restored version of File:Helen Keller1.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Helen Keller, Deafblind
Creator
unknown
  • Support A gorgeous, subtle, poignant, quality portrait, one of our very best, IMO. Can I just point out that the lighter tone around the edges would have been an intentional printing method? See vignette. The restoration has opened up the shadows very nicely and while it might not look as "punchy" as the original, the contrast level here looks to me to be about right for this sort of work. mikaultalk 01:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Helen KellerA.jpg --Staxringold talkcontribs 20:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oranges and Orange juice

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Original - Oranges and Orange juice. When it was originally sold fifty years ago, it was a flop due to a long production process that made it pretty much flavorless. Then, the director of research for the Florida Citrus Commission, Louis G. MacDowell, suggested to slightly overconcentrated the orange. It worked and it's now part of a balanced breakfast.
Reason
Great lighting and portrait
Articles this image appears in
Drink, Orange (fruit), and Drink mixer
Creator
Jurema Oliveira

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 02:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Peruvian Andes

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Original - "Andes near Alparmarca, Peru: Sketched from an Elevation of 16,000 Feet". Illustration by Alfred Agate from the South American portion of the United States Exploring Expedition.
Reason
The United States Exploring Expedition of 1838-1842 was a global scientific exploration mission conducted by the United States Navy that collected over 60,000 specimens for the newly established Smithsonian Institution. This illustration by a notable artist documents part of the Peruvian portion of the journey. Restored version of File:Peruvian Andes.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
United States Exploring Expedition, Alfred Agate.
Creator
Alfred Agate

I could promote this right now with the support quorum, but J Milburn brings up an important point. Anyone want to fix that border?   Nezzadar ☎   16:34, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to do after a perspective crop. Durova339 23:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Peruvian Andes2.jpg --jjron (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Concretions on Bowling Balls Beach

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Original - Concretions on Bowling Balls Beach (Mendocino County, California) weather out of steeply-tilted Cenozoic mudstone
alt 1 - Concretions on Bowling Balls Beach (Mendocino County, California) weather out of steeply-tilted Cenozoic mudstone
edit 1 - Brightened exposure of the original
Reason
high EV, resolution and quality
Articles this image appears in
Concretions
Creator
Mbz1
You are right about a long exposure, it would have been a great image, except the trail to the beach is clossed due to safety conserns. It was way too weathered for me to carry a tripod there, and then come back after dark. I did not feel it was safe enough to go there at all, but I did anyway. Probabably some young men could have done it with a tripod and after dark, me not. :( Also one should remember that here in California we have lots of wild animals even in the city itself. The other day I took a short trail in San Francisco for a long exposure shot. When I was coming back to the parking lot I met a coyote and pack of w:Raccoon. They usually do not touch people, but one never knows :(--Mbz1 (talk) 12:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I posted an edit to the original. The alt is much better in brightness stakes but the sky is magenta for some reason. I've posted an edit of the original, I hope you don't mind. On the topic of the racoon attack, they were provoked: "when she tried to shoo them away from her central Florida home". I'm not sure that one would have trouble if you keep your distance. According to Coyote#Attacks on humans it is highly unlikely. The number of fatalities due to car accidents in your state is 100 times higher. I could worry about sharks whilst swimming or snakes whilst walking, but both are very unlikely. Noodle snacks (talk) 21:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You did that just for me?!! Awwwwwwww hehe... Gazhiley (talk) 21:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for working on the image, Noodle snacks, and reasuring me about raccoons and cayote :) Of course I do not mind you editing my image. Yoa have added Commons FP template to it. With such a template please go ahead and edit each and every one of my images :) Geolocation is added.--Mbz1 (talk) 00:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right now. This is interesting. It's clear this is getting promoted, as there is a clear consensus for support, except it's a dead split between the alt and the edit. Advice?   Nezzadar ☎   03:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, leave it to a qualified closer, and watch and learn from what they do. ;-) --jjron (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not anymore, fixed the white ballance :)--Mbz1 (talk) 12:52, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Bowling Balls Beach 2 edit.jpg --jjron (talk) 03:00, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Mignon Nevada

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Original - Mignon Nevada as Ophelia in Ambroise Thomas's opera Hamlet, circa 1910.
Reason
Mignon Nevada was a successful opera soprano from the early twentieth century who performed internationally. She appears here in a Bain News Service photograph circa 1910 dressed for her role as Ophelia in an operatic adaptation of Hamlet. Restored version of File:Mignon Nevada Ophelia.jpg
Articles this image appears in
Mignon Nevada, Ophelia
Creator
Bain News Service

Promoted File:Mignon Nevada Ophelia2.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 20:38, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Delaware Bay 1639

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Original -Nautical chart of Zwaanendael ("Swanendael") and Godyn's Bay in New Netherland. Zwaanendael was a patroonship founded by Samuel Godyn, a director of the Dutch West India Company, in 1629. Godyn made his land claim to the West India Company under jurisdiction of the Charter of Freedoms and Exemptions. After a short time, the initial 32 inhabitants were murdered by local Indians and Godyn sold his land back to the West India Company. The Company kept the names of the local area, including Godyn's Bay, which eventually became Delaware Bay. Ink and watercolor with pictorial relief.
Reason
Nautical chart of seventeenth century Delaware Bay during its time as part of the New Netherland colony. Very high resolution; see also compressed courtesy copy at File:Delaware Bay Vinckeboons 14 courtesy copy.jpg. Restored version of File:Delaware_Bay_Vinckeboons.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
New Netherland, Delaware Bay, History of Delaware, Zwaanendael Colony, Charter of Freedoms and Exemptions
Creator
Johannes Vingboons
  • Support as conominator --Durova331 16:11, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as conominator --NW (Talk) 16:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as conominator Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 17:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. High quality, high encyclopedic value in the three articles. I know this isn't a formal FPC requirement, but since the image text is in Dutch, and presumably it adds significant value to the image, I'd like to see a translation on the image page. For the close reader of an image, the text is integral to its meaning and interpretation, particularly where the text forms such a large and important part of the image, as here. I know this text is in old Dutch, in cursive, so it probably needs a native speaker. I'm contacting some User_nl Wikipedians, and on the presumption that the text can be translated, this can be considered a full support. Without the translation I'll switch down to a weak support. [Edit - As I indicated, if it turns out this is an unreasonable request, or one that will not be fulfilled I will drop it, and my support is not predicated on it. This is an highly important image with or without the translation] Mostlyharmless (talk) 03:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. My house is in the map! 71.59.123.169 (talk) 04:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral My my now, quite the nomination team. Here's the thing. It's only real exposeure is on the page History of Delaware. The others have higher placed, larger images. At least up the size in the Delaware Bay page. Good image though. Fix this then click on the golden phone to get my vote.   Nezzadar ☎   04:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support upon a reasonably effort to find a translation (and only then). I'm also updating the caption, having done some work on New Netherland related topics. upstateNYer 05:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a great restoration of "a map of the "Svydt" river in "niew nederland". GerardM (talk) 06:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC) The language is seventeenth century Dutch and it is essentially a foreign language to contemporary Dutch. The characters are different, the spelling is different.. The notion of "spamming" is disrespectful for the massive amount of work in here. Given support by demanding a translation is also very much of a similar disrespect for important historic material om this subject. GerardM (talk) 06:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm sorry that I removed it one from article it added almost nothing to, but added to two articles that required it? upstateNYer 06:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • The language used is what is at issue. This is important material, even important historic material with or without translations and it deserves respect. GerardM (talk) 06:22, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • (ec) Wadester, Gerard is a native Dutch speaker. Two previous maps by this same artist have been promoted to FP without translation. Translation is not an FPC criterion; the proposal to require it was rejected; the inability of modern native speakers to read historic manuscripts in certain languages was one of the reasons, and Gerard's attempts to decipher Vinckeboons were specifically discussed. The Vinckeboons restorations are the most time consuming and difficult we have ever produced at this project; these take 80 hours of labor. Please evaluate according to agreed criteria and discuss in a collaborative spirit. Durova331 06:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'd like to hear what Mostlyharmless comes back with. After such pessimism regarding 19th century Japanese translations, I have a feeling a translation will be found here. I'll even settle for a "it most likely says...based on the current language". Not convinced there isn't at least some content that any native Dutch speaker can decipher. It has a lot of EV, and even more now after my edits, but the translation is key to EV. Translations may not be in criteria, but EV is subjective, and IMO, translations are essential for enough EV. upstateNYer 06:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • I like to think that I would like (but not require) translations of image texts where the request is both; reasonable: there are Wikipedians who can read it, doing so is not particularly time consuming (the text is limited), and is integral to the image and provides important information about what it is we are actually looking at. I am certain that the latter of these is true here, I am unsure of the former. Previous Vinckeboons images have not included such text, and have merely denoted placenames (which are themselves somewhat congruent with other maps, and useful as historical information in themselves). If I don't find anyone in the next few days, I'm going to get an old (18th C) Dutch dictionary and have a go at doing it myself - I'm in a history department where we do this kind of thing all the time. Mostlyharmless (talk) 07:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                • Thank you, Mostly. Durova331 14:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                  • As a native speaker of Dutch, I would like to give it a try. I've tried to read it and could easily make out some words. My problem though is that I can't make out the handwriting. If someone could write it down for me, I'll try to translate it for you. The sentence "vrouwen als sij bevrucht sijn in kinderen" (which I can make out) means women who are pregnant or literally: women who are fertilized with children. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                    • Thats a very interesting sentence to have on a nautical chart, makes me want to know what the whole block of text says even more! — raeky (talk | edits) 19:02, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                      • Precisely why a translation can be so helpful! Anyway, I did my best on interpreting the the text. You can see it at Massimo Catarinella's talk page. upstateNYer 21:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                        • I have some experience in paleography, but my knowledge of obsolete Dutch is nonexistent. Nevertheless, I'll say that the first half of the text on the left seems to deal with the native inhabitants of the area; the two-column list there is clearly a list of the names of Indian tribes or settlements (as they sounded to the Dutch). Deor (talk) 15:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • For the record, I don't know if the proposal to make translations part of the FPC criteria was outright rejected. Looking back at it, it seems like there was more discussion than any actual conclusions, and some of the actual 'votes' of opposition were based on incorrect assumptions (like the fact that it would be required on all documents with any non-English text, which isn't true - there would be common sense exceptions). IMO, it would be worth asking the question again after summarising in more detail exactly what would be expected, and what would be excepted. Eg, when it is possible to translate but hasn't been, why shouldn't we be able to oppose on the basis that the EV could be improved by a translation (even if just approximate)? This happens all the time - people oppose images because there is room for improvement in the composition/colour balance, sharpness, etc, so why not EV too? Ðiliff «» (Talk) 10:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • I think you've hit the nail on the head. Regardless of the outcome of that previous discussion or a further one, a reasonably argued oppose based on insufficient EV would be acceptable, as are other EV related opposes (note: I'm not making a specific comment on this image). --jjron (talk) 12:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • Surprised to see that notion gaining any traction at all--particularly with long time regulars. This cartographer's work was specifically discussed in advance when the proposal was put forward. Two native speakers have been unable to translate the caption. Certainly translation would be useful; no one disputes that. But everyone already knows in a general sense that this was Delaware Bay under Dutch colonial rule: does that factor really merit outright opposition after similar maps by the same cartographer have been promoted? Do individual reviewers get to impose new criteria by personal fiat after consensus discussion fails to implement them? Gentlemen, this is an excellent way to drive off contributors. NuclearWarfare spent many long hours working on this restoration; it's his first nominee. I hope this doesn't become the norm because it is not easy to recruit and train people for this work. Durova333 19:42, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                • I'm sorry, did someone oppose because of this reason? I know NuclearWarfare, and know that he is better than to be significantly wounded by reasonable requests for more information. Apparently you doubt him? upstateNYer 20:00, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                • Unreasonable requests are a different matter. Durova333 20:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Are you implying this is an unreasonable request? This image has a block of text more than 150 words long. An effort to get a translation only helps the encyclopedia. What does your preference do to help the encyclopedia? Why are we WP:HERE again? upstateNYer 02:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                    • It is in old Dutch, and to that extent it's difficult. Still we now know that it talks about female cannibalism, which increases the EV. Mostlyharmless (talk) 03:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                      • Exactly. See what a reasonable effort toward translation will do for you? Precisely why I conditionally supported. The effort here has been reasonable and even though the language is old, we still got a rough idea of its content, even if the first translation "effort" wasn't even worth a try. I'm glad another Dutch speaker gave it a shot. The content turned out to be very interesting. upstateNYer 04:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I strongly agree that a translation would be nice, even if only for the image page. J Milburn (talk) 10:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support First rate restoration. I also agree a translation would add to it's EV, it already has good EV but a translation would be better. — raeky (talk | edits) 16:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It now has quite prominent placement. I also really want to know what the chart says. I have a friend who specializes in translating ancient languages, except that friend is currently in Iceland on a sabbatical. For some reason, he left his phone in a box on his desk in America when he left. So, if you can wait three months, I might be able to help, if not, well, here's to hoping that the rest of you can tell me what this means.   Nezzadar ☎   21:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Delaware Bay Vinckeboons 14.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 20:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Kitchener

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Original - British World War I recruitment poster featuring Herbert Kitchener, 1st Earl Kitchener, 1916.
Reason
Per the other day's nomination, this is a subject that does deserve a featured picture. Not quite the same iconic value as the original poster, but much higher technical specs and still pretty good encyclopedic value. Restored version of File:Lord Kitchener duty.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Herbert_Kitchener,_1st_Earl_Kitchener#Death
Creator
Bassano, Bond St. W. ; Printed by Johnson, Riddle & Co., Ltd., London, S.E.
Alternate, color corrected from gray bar only, paper color persists at the level of decomposition that existed at the time when the color photo reproduction was made. Kodak's copyright notice on the color bar and grayscale is 1977. So this poster was already more than 60 years old when the reproduction was taken. (not for voting)
Edit 1 Some issues fixed
Edit 2 Completely reworked
Weak Oppose Hold the phones again... This has so very little exposure that I cannot support it. It's a nice image, sure, but it appears near the bottom of one artile, and nowhere else. Sorry. Message me on the golden phone when you think you've spread the poster around enough, I'd say you need at least one highly prominent placement, or a half dozen of these lowly ones.   Nezzadar ☎   04:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Prominent placement is not an FP requirement; encyclopedic relevance is. This image is relevant to the section about his death. Durova331 04:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • From FP Criteria "A picture's encyclopedic value is given priority over its artistic value." I see prominence as a component to encyclopedic value. It's pretty, but not prominent at all. Respectfully, My decision stands.   Nezzadar ☎   04:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Why is prominence more important than context for encyclopaedic value? The images are there to support the text after all. Noodle snacks (talk) 06:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Perhaps Nezzadar wants FPs to be easier to find on a page. Trouble is, once the FP gets supersized everything else does too. Articles end up looking like this with 60K thumbnails fighting for the same attention as 39MB FPs. Have proposed an alternative at FPC talk to display a featured star in the caption space; that would signal readers more discreetly and effectively. Durova331 06:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think you over did the "Extensive brightness and color corrections" the original has color bars, so to color calibrate to the original wouldn't be very difficult. I loaded the original in Photoshop and sampled the black & white on the color calibration bars for a levels and it looks far more natural. Whatever color corrections you did went over-and-beyond restoring it to how the paper actually looks and has lost all color details in his face. — raeky (talk | edits) 06:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Color bars in this sort of restoration are useless. Sometime after 1916 a curator photographed it using color film. That probably happened after 1940 (due to the technology) but the date was not recorded. Lighting was uneven and the document did not lie flat. Durova331 07:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sure they are, provided the original color bars was accurate black & white and 50% gray, you can produce a very accurate color calibration from it regardless of lighting or film quality. Thats what they're for. — raeky (talk | edits) 08:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I linked a version that is just color corrected from the gray bar, should be pretty accurate to how the original looked when it was photographed. Paper is of course discolored from age, but I think there is more detail in the face. Your version is of course probably closer to how it originally looked when it was produced with white paper. — raeky (talk | edits) 09:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • The bottom half is more deficient in blue than the top half, with substantial localized problems such as the yellow band at far left, because chromolithography of this age often loses color in uneven ways. It needs a perspective crop and then half the caption has to be separately rotated because it doesn't lie flat. It needs substantial brightness gradient masking because the edges had dried out and darkened. If it were the goal of restoration to recapture the decomposition as it existed at some unknown moment possibly in the third quarter of the twentieth century then yes those particular color bars would be useful, but the poster already had serious decomposition by that point. Those color bars could have been set there in 1966, but for all we know those markers were placed in 1946 or 1986. What it doesn't tell you is how this looked in 1916. Durova331 14:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Kodak's copyright imprint on the gray scale and color control patches is 1977. Durova331 15:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • Like I said your version probably is more accurate to how it looked in 1916, I just did mine to see what detail was lost if any in areas like the face since whiting the paper beyond how it was when the picture was taken likely will loose detail. I also didn't put nearly as much restoration work in it as you did to correct some weird issues you listed, since my goal wasn't to create something to be voted on (thus the not for voting tag). — raeky (talk | edits) 15:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • Neutral After comparing yours to my version my original reservation that detail was lost in the face doesn't appear to be true. I think it's POSSIBLE the colors are wrong now on your version due to the heavy tweaking to get the paper looking whiter, but detail wasn't noticeably lost. Changing to neutral. — raeky (talk | edits) 15:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's actually highly unlikely white paper was used: You don't use white paper with white ink, and the colourboxed version pretty clearly shows white ink was used. There were a limited number of cheap inks, so they'd often use some form of unbleached or tinted paper and white ink to get an extra colour. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 12:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit1, weak oppose original Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 16:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I like edit1. Why isn't this at Military recruitment? Staxringold talkcontribs 14:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Shoemaker's edit. Good job. :) Durova331 16:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose edit 1 Colors are better but it's blown out some of the lighter areas loosing finer details. — raeky (talk | edits) 16:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question. Since there appears to be no reliable source for the original ink and paper colors or the effects of aging on the different combinations of inks and paper, how does "restoration" beyond removal of obvious digitization artefacts constitute anything other than original research? 82.251.140.156 (talk) 09:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit 1 edit 2 Excellent image with lots of EV Nick-D (talk) 10:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edit 2 uploaded, shift support to Edit 2. I've dealt with the face issues. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 13:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 2 I think Edit 2 resolves my concerns, still think the colors a little funny in the face (yellows with the whites) but it's likely the original colors. — raeky (talk | edits) 16:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit 2. TotientDragooned (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support GerardM (talk) 07:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — Jake Wartenberg 03:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Lord_Kitchener_duty5.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Post Nomination Update

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It has been determined that this is Frederick Roberts, 1st Earl Roberts, not Lord Kitchener, on December 2nd, 2009. Nezzadar [SPEAK] 05:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Endomembrane system diagram

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Original - the diagram shows a endomembrane system on a Eukaryote cell
Edit - "Vesticle" has been changed to "vesticle"; fonts to web-safe.
Reason
Another LadyofHats special, this SVG is of high quality, exceedingly high prominence and EV, and meets technical requirements. It is a Quality Image and a Featured Picture on Commons.
Articles this image appears in
Endomembrane system, Eukaryote
Creator
who else but LadyofHats
  • These recent nominations alone have convinced me that I need to learn simple SVG editing. In the mean time, for something this simple, a quick edit by someone more familiar with the programs is really all that's needed. Oh, and I think the underlying problem here is that LadyofHats speaks Spanish as a first language and, considering the number of translations, doesn't do all of them herself. Lets get an editor.   Nezzadar ☎   14:19, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hate it when a good image fails by lack of quorum, if anyone has actual issues with it, please raise them soon so I can fix it for resubmission at a later date (i.e. when LadyofHats gets back from her Wikibreak.)   Nezzadar ☎   03:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


American and Bridal Falls

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Original - American Falls (large waterfall on the left) and Bridal Veil Falls (smaller waterfall on the right), which are part of the famous Niagra Falls, as seen from the Skylon Tower.
Reason
Awe-inspring picture and a great view
Articles this image appears in
Niagra Falls.
Creator
Ujjwalkumar

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Randolph Caldecott illustration

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Original - Illustration for "The House that Jack Built", from The complete collection of pictures & songs by Randolph Caldecott, published 1887.
Reason
Randolph Caldecott was a British artist who exhibited at the Royal Academy and other galleries, but whose greatest influence was as a pioneering illustrator of children's literature. Since 1937 the Association for Library Service to Children has awarded the Caldecott Medal for the year's outstanding picture book. Restored version of File:Randolph Caldecott illustration.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Randolph Caldecott, laid paper
Creator
Randolph Caldecott
They're not printing errors; they're chain lines that are part and parcel of the paper-manufacturing process (similar to watermarks). The closely spaced horizontal lines are called laid lines. Someone might even want to use this image in the Laid paper article. Deor (talk) 21:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I consider any archive of the printing process not intended by the artist a printing error, but if it's being used to illustrate the papermaking process, that causes it, I'm fine. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 12:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This scan happens to come from a premium limited edition run of 800 copies. Do you have a source for the artist's intention? Durova332 15:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea, Deor. Added to the laid paper article. Durova331 21:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Randolph Caldecott illustration2.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:37, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy Merriam

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Original - Child actress and model Lucy Merriam, best known for her role as Emma Lavery on the soap opera All My Children.
Reason
I'm not certain what makes a good portrait of a child (is it any different from a good portrait of an adult?) but this one looks pretty good, and I believe we have no featured images of child celebrities. Another nice image submitted by the copyright holder (in this case, the subject's mother, which also deals with any potential privacy issues- if her mother's happy for us to have it, I don't think anyone's going to object on those grounds...)
Articles this image appears in
Lucy Merriam
Creator
Work for hire created by a family photographer, owned by Lisa Merriam
  • Support as nominator --J Milburn (talk) 12:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very weak oppose Good composition but IMO the DOF is way too shallow and thus not much is sharp --Muhammad(talk) 14:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support with Dismay It's a beautiful photo, but I really pity the poor girl. Statisticly, as a child actor, she doesn't have the slightest chance for ever having a normal life. I mean look at the pose, it's normally used for female adult actresses to arouse viewers. No i'm not a pervert. I am not convinced as to how appropriate this photo is.   Nezzadar ☎   14:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's a pose that has been used sexually, yes, but I certainly wouldn't call it a sexual pose. I have no real opinion on the whole ethics of child stars (in fact, check my contributions list) but I don't think that's something that should affect our judgement of this picture. J Milburn (talk) 15:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Perhaps, but everything everyone does is based on some combination of the subjective and objective, with neither ever being 100% dominant. This happens to be a case where the subjective pops up and screams "WTF!" Usually, when my mind screams at me, I listen.   Nezzadar ☎   15:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I also disagree that it's an inherently sexual pose. But you're right, everyone's opinion is subjective, and prior associations and experiences affect our judgements. It's fine to listen to your 'intuition', but when you recognise that you're letting it make decisions regarding objective criteria, then it's probably time to take a step backwards and re-think. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 18:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Apart from a compositional faux pas (IMO) with slightly too much space on the left side of the frame, I think it's a pretty good portrait. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 18:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - makeup:age ratio is more than a little disturbing. Xavexgoem (talk) 20:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Firstly, I'm not convinced there is any makeup- there's no mascara, eyeshadow or eyeliner, and any foundation is very light- there may be a little blush/glitter, but I'm not convinced. Secondly, I'm really not seeing that as a valid reason to oppose. On publicity shots like this, almost everyone wears makeup, even if it's just a little foundation. Further, she's a model/actress- at that age, I can imagine that most of the impetus to hire will be based on how the child looks- if a dash of makeup (it's not a lot, at all- if there is any, it's very natural-looking and light) adds to that, so be it. Again, to echo what I said above, we should not be sitting here making judgements about how we don't like the fact that child stars exist, we should be sitting here judging whether this image meets our FP guidelines. J Milburn (talk) 21:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'll support although I see the blur in her right arm. I don't know how difficult is to get a better picture of the subject released to wikipedia. My main purpose is to compensate for those oppositions sustained in age-sexual elements. I want to say that that pose isn't sexual at all. It is just the classical S-shaped pose that makes female figure pleasant (very subtle in this case). I would like to say also (although it shouldn't be a topic of discussion for this FP candidacy) that sexual awareness is developed in childhood at early ages (just let us remember our own games with the pretty neighbor of the next house) and this girl, for sure, must have some precocity (which I don't think it is implied by the picture at all) if we see the type of activities in which is involved. Let's not be ashamed of sexuality if we see it, it is part of human nature. Let's not be prejudiced (or at least not in a so trivial way). I don't think it should be the point in which it should be analyzed this picture. Franklin.vp  21:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per Franklin VP. I want to say that I really don't think that the oppose votes hold any weight at all. For a child actor, we would expect to see light make-up, and this increases, rather than decreases the EV. Mostlyharmless (talk) 01:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC) Edit - Support withdrawn until licensing concerns are resolved. Edit 2. Remove strike, sourcing issues appear to have been resolved. Mostlyharmless (talk) 23:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion on Sourcing and Licensing concerns for these images (semi-OT)
  • Licensing Sourcing concern. The licensing/authorship here is the same as on a couple of other recent celeb noms, and those raised some I believe unresolved issues - see here and here, as well as this discussion on the talkpage. Fortunately on those two previous noms, one was resolved with the actual photographer before being promoted, the second failed two noms so effectively avoided the problem. I believe the issue is potentially even more serious here, given that at least in the other two noms they were adults. On this one, essentially the image page is saying that this 7yo child owns the photo and has granted us permission to use it. I doubt that is legal, and it's probably not correct. As I commented on the talkpage discussion, the OTRS seems to be "perhaps doing a less than outstanding job." As is and until things improve in this area (with no comment on this actual image itself) I have a feeling we should not be nominating/promoting images with this licensing/sourcing. --jjron (talk) 06:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • As far as I can see, the image page says that the mother (Lisa) owns the image, not Lucy, the 7 year old girl. Also, I'm not sure whether the first two links you provided show any unresolved issues. The first one refers to an issue relating to 'work for hire' photography as it stands in the UK (where Mick implies such arrangements are uncommon), not the US. The second one doesn't seem to contain any licensing issue discussion at all - only compositional issues. I understand the need to be comfortable that it's all legal and above board, but are we going to question every commercial image that passes through FPC? What happened to AGF in this situation? ;-) You might as well question that I'm the original photographer/owner of my images too! I'm not saying we should accept everything at people's word, but surely we have to have good reason to suspect something wrong before we pursue it? I just don't see anything obviously wrong with the licensing at face value. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 08:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • As the image page says (and I would go so far as to say that those reading otherwise are doing significantly "less than an outstanding job" themselves (and how difficult is it to read the difference between "Lisa Merriam" and "Lucy Merriam", compared with dealing with a lot of people who are genuinely upset, geniunely confused and genuinely and legitimately clueless about how our encyclopedia works, but who, frequently, genuinely want to help out? We already force them to jump through hoops, and every day I'm forced to request more information on photographs where I know no more information will be forthcoming- I've lost many potential FPC noms in that way. But I digress).) the image belongs to Lisa, not Lucy. I mentioned this in my nomination statement. The exact wording of the email is this- "I own the copyright to the photograph of Lucy Merriam attached. This photograph was taken by our family photography as work for hire. I am offering it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license. I am offering it for use with the entry for Lucy Merriam". A link was provided to the article, and it was signed by Lisa, and sent from her commercial address (upon checking the article on Lucy, we already discuss her mother's career- everything adds up). Word for word, this was an almost perfect submission email- a rare beast. What else do you want? J Milburn (talk) 10:11, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • If you cared to read the talkpage discussion I linked to I feel Mick's main concern (and really my concern here) is that the photographer is correctly attributed (and that is also where the second image was discussed FWIW). The comments there are really far more pertinent than what appeared in the noms themselves. I find it amusing (?) that people that get up in arms about having their own images attributed to them correctly have no qualms that other people's aren't :-). Lucy/Lisa, my apologies for not being up on this kid's family tree, but not really relevant to attributing the creator of the image. I should have better titled my comment as Sourcing concern or even Author concern, but expect that would be more likely to be overlooked (have now changed it since it's garnered some feedback). --jjron (talk) 13:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Fair enough, I see your point now. I did read the talk page discussion too, but I think the problem was that you didn't actually state what you felt the problem was with this image. You gave two example noms as if they were the primary discussions and that confused things because I found little discussion of the issues in them, and you certainly made no mention of attribution of the photographer. Anyway, I see your point, I actually missed the fact that the photographer was not credited. However, I think this is an interesting scenario. The photographer did not release the image under CC-BY-SA but he did (according to the source) hand over the rights to the image as a 'work-for-hire'. Then the owner of the image released the image under CC-BY-SA. So I'm not sure that the photographer needs to be attributed in this instance. The CC-BY-SA 3.0 license says "Attribution — You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor" - The key words being or licensor. In this case, it is the mother, not the author. It might even be part of the agreement with the mother that he remain anonymous. Who knows? The point is, my understanding is that it is licensed and sourced correctly. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 13:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • And for the record, I don't get up in arms about correct attribution (and I particularly wouldn't if I sold my rights as a work-for-hire) as I'm not that vain and I don't get any work by word of mouth, but I do get a bit up in arms over commercial re-use of my images - commercial entities profit from my photos without any compensation, basically. That's a completely different kettle of fish. What I'd be really happy with is non-commercial licensing on Wikipedia. I'd have no qualms then. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 13:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Thought I had seen you comment on your talkpage that you didn't mind people using various images as long as they attributed you... However I think there's others that take it more seriously than you. Just to try to clarify and state my opinions here simply per a request on my talkpage. The actual licensing and legality of these images may be fine – I’ve noted before that that is really not an area of knowledge or interest of mine; I don’t know for sure and it may vary depending on country of origin, but I’ll let others determine that. The beauty of the Wynter nom was that Mick did contact the photographer and he agreed with the licensing; for these others it's more grey. However what concerns me more are the morals of these cases (and that's where the other two fit into the same category, regardless of where they're from). Morally I have a problem with someone claiming authorship for something that is not their own work, or someone else claiming it as such for them. That is the case with these images, where the subject (or the subject’s mother) is listed in the author field when we know it’s not true, and for some there's even less clarification than here. Of course different people have different moral values and evidently many don't object to this regardless. Others need to decide for themselves, but they should be aware of the issue. However personally I am unlikely to ever support an image with a known inaccurate author. I'd actually be happier if it was sourced using the current author information, and the author put in as 'unknown', although I'd obviously be happier still if we could actually credit the creators. :-) --jjron (talk) 06:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think this is a great portrait of children in light of the pose, facial expression, and general technical quality (sharpness, light etc). I also feel uncomfortable with the photo due to the similar opinion presented by Nezzadar. Although Wikipedia is not censored, we should protect subjected people especially "children" from all kind of weird people like paedophiles. The photo reminds me of Luis Carrole's child photography...--Caspian blue 12:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Long discussion on protection of the child
      • How are you protecting this child by opposing? She's already on TV for god's sake! Besides which, there is a big difference between assaulting a child and looking at a clothed photo of a child (even if with evil thoughts). We live in such a sad world where people think that a photo like this is creating victims of paedophiles. *Sigh*. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 12:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • The purposes of our "Featured pictures" are to appreciate fine images and to generate more attention to them. So I believe opposing opinions here would decrease the said possibility. Unfortunately, we live in such the sad world.--Caspian blue 14:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • As I said, no harm will come to the girl if there were to be more attention given to the image, because viewing an image with intent is not the same thing as assaulting the girl in the image. And I don't want it to appear to be a personal attack, because it isn't, but it is people with your mindset that go some way to perpetuating the myth that there is a paedophile waiting to steal kiddies around every corner. There are kids in playgrounds in virtually every city and town in the world and the vast majority have no untoward contact from paedophiles, so how is displaying a child on the front page of Wikipedia going to cause paedophiles to assault her? It's a ridiculously paranoid idea IMO. In any case, as you already stated, Wikipedia is not censored and it is not our moral responsibility to protect people (beyond our legal responsibility, of course). It is the parent's responsibility, and we should simply trust that they are doing that in their own way. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 14:31, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Yes, you're making personal attacks by your own admission which is surely unpleasant. I don't appreciate your mindset like "I'm always right and should be right" and your persistence for people with different views to yield to your view. The photo of the subject does not depict kids in playgrounds and we're talking about the photo. Please do not exaggerate for your POV.--Caspian blue 14:39, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • No, I made it clear that it was not a personal attack on yourself, just the ideas that are perpetuated by a myth, which you happen to be buying into. Yes, you're right, the photo doesn't depict kids in playgrounds but I never claimed it did. You have completely ignored the main point and concentrated on irrelevant things like kids in playgrounds. The child in this photo will not be adversely affected by paedophiles as a result of being featured here. Fact. That is not exaggerated POV. Believing that you're somehow protecting a child by opposing the photo is exaggerated POV. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 14:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                • Why I am wasting my time talking with you, ha? You are the one coming up irrelevant examples to compare with the photo in question and forgetting the main point. You attacked me with the "one of perpetuaters of the myth, so I take offense. No excuse necessary for what you said.--Caspian blue 14:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Fine, you're obviously not going to accept my point. We'll agree to disagree. But if you're offended by my assertion that you and others are perpetuating a myth, then so be it. End of discussion. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 15:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • WHAT!!! Luis Carrole's child photography?? I thought I was a pervert for imagining the naked shape of my girlfriend while totally dressed. What is it what people are seeing in this picture? That fold on her dress is not her breast. I am probably getting old and my libido is not as sharp as before. I don't know what is more pitiful, a child that already have a well defined plan in life, a work, parents that care about her or people worrying if this is a bad thing and getting nervous because a little girl is looking straight at them. I am sorry but I get too envious when I see people with a better sexual imagination than me.  Franklin.vp  13:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment As much as I enjoy starting horrible monsters and setting them loose on the unsuspecting populous, I think this is getting a bit nasty. Let's not jump down each others' throats. Please?   Nezzadar ☎   14:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Changing my vote late in the game after reading what everyone has said. It's not because of the appropriateness, but of the photo itself. It's a nice publicity shot... until you zoom in. Then it starts having flaws. I agree with Muhammad on this.   Nezzadar ☎   14:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • You have to understand that it is a common portraiture technique to use a shallow depth of field to accentuate the features. As long as the eyes are in focus, it's not usually as important that everything else is in perfect focus. A portrait is also not intended to be viewed as closely either, as we take in the overall scene rather than scan the image for detail. We can't apply our standards for landscape photography to portraiture IMO, just as we don't expect everything to be in perfect focus for macro photography (If that were the case, Muhammad would have a lot less FPs!). Ðiliff «» (Talk) 14:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Agreed that shallow DOF may be used and eyes shud be in focus but the focus in this image missed the eyes and instead, part of the right(her left) portion of the hair is sharper. --Muhammad(talk) 15:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I think her left eye is in focus though. Downsample it to the resolution you upload your images to and you would probably struggle to find any part of her face significantly out of focus. Sorry, I'm not singling your photos out, I'm just pointing out that it's easy to find slight focus issues when viewing the photo at the original high res, and as I said above, I think composition and expression is of more importance to portraiture than perfect focus because we typically view portraits as a whole at a suitable viewing distance, and don't scan for detail at 100% size as we often do for macro or landscape photography. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 17:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Actually, I did view a downsampled version, at 1200px. The flaws I mention are still easily visible though at that res as well. Point taken about composition > focus and vote modified accordingly. --Muhammad(talk) 18:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Long discussion on protection of the child continued
    • Comment: I think we're getting off-topic here. The "OMG PROTECT THE CHILDREN" rubbish is irrelevent (go and nomination some of my articles for deletion if you're so concerned...) as, whether we like it or not, the kid's notable, and we have a perfectly legitimate image that has even been endorsed by her mother. The concerns about the licensing are legitimate, but, as has been explained by myself and others, misplaced. The real debate here is about the quality of the image- I feel my position is well summed up by Diliff directly above. So, can we please get back on topic? J Milburn (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      Regretful to see that you disparage the concerns over how the image is conveyed as "rubbish". (I think the assessment and whole personal attacks suit for the label) Even as excluding the factor, the image does not meet the quality to become FP as pointed out by many. The notability is not questioned, so please don't bring in the non-existent dispute.--Caspian blue 15:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      The notability of the subject is extremely important. Do we cover her? Yes. Then a picture of her that meets our criteria should be promoted. Would you also oppose the article reaching FA status for the same reasons? We "must protect her"? Again, you may want to take your preaching to one of my FAs. If you wouldn't oppose a FAC on those grounds, why oppose a FPC on those grounds? J Milburn (talk) 17:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      So did I question about the notability of the child actor? You're not only missing the point but also distorting my comments. You rather seems to try to take a free ride over the notability of the child actor. My oppose comment is combined with unsatisfaction with the quality of the picture, so please be reminded of it. Here is not the place for bragging your FA which are totally irrelevant of tthe picture. Please show me some logical and mature attitude.--Caspian blue 18:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      Wow. You're actually quite an interesting person, it would seem. If you want to oppose based on technical details, so be it, but please shut up about (and, preferably, strike) the paedophile nonsense. J Milburn (talk) 18:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      Er, not as much as you. I enjoyed your nonsensical bragging over your FA and the unfit comparison though. I should've been reminded that you've been overzealous over any celebrity images obtained by OTRS to FPC in the past. I would highly appreciate if "you shut up for now" and the intimidation. My comment is not the first one over the concern as Nezzadar and Xavexgoem's expressed their uneasiness over the very young child's pose and makeup.--Caspian blue 18:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • This nomination, and the lengthy, hot air discussion in it, is a prime example of why I left FPC quite some time ago, and only occasionally visit anymore. GET TO THE POINT, people! (To be more precise: I'm mostly addressing this to Caspian...) Does this have the EV, does it have the technical quality to be a FP? Greetings from lurkerland, --Janke
  • Support The portrait stands on it's technical merits. To much controversy about the subject, ignoring it's a child actress it's still a technically good high resolution portrait. — raeky (talk | edits) 04:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: decent technical quality and composition, high EV. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 07:15, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose. EV is not that high. Her brief article doesn't have a single reference and it seems debatable if she even meets WP:ENTERTAINER. According to IMDB, she's been in a few episodes of a soap opera and was a supporting actress in a kid's movie. We're not talking Shirley Temple here. Plus the weird pose doesn't make for a compelling image, IMO. Kaldari (talk) 18:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • If the article us put up for AfD, closing of this nomination will be delayed until the outcome. Continue voting, ignoring article issues (as it can't pass without being in an article anyway). Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 14:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Perhaps that should be rephrased as "If there is anyone here today who knows of any reason why this article, and this image, should not be joined in holy matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace."... I don't see why it's productive to wait indefinitely for someone to decide to put it up for AfD... Ðiliff «» (Talk) 14:32, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    They have until such time as the image is due to close. If the article's not up for AfD by then, then it can be presumed notable. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 214 FCs served 20:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    It usually comes out more interesting to photograph children at their own eye level, or even below it.
    • Weak support per nom. Fine expression, middling composition (per example at right). Looking over this discussion today, it's interesting to compare the time stamps versus the nomination that immediately followed. Could it be possible that running a female nude shortly afterward might have thrown this discussion off kilter? If so, any disruption was entirely unintentional. Durova339 04:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oh My... I actually had not made that association. Besides, I stirred the hornet's nest (completely unintentionally) with my comment before you posted that image. I think I am going to have to take a look at those arguments again with this in mind. You filthy perverts! LOL...   Nezzadar ☎   06:42, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Promoted File:Lucy Merriam.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank god this mess is over. Ha ha ha. Wow.  Nezzadar [SPEAK]  22:55, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Whig Primary, 1848

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    Original - "An Available Candidate: The One Qualification for a Whig President". Political cartoon about the 1848 presidential election which refers to Zachary Taylor or Winfield Scott, the two leading contenders for the Whig Party nomination in the aftermath of the Mexican-American War. Published by Nathaniel Currier in 1848, digitally restored.
    Edit 1 Upped contrast, edges sharpened, shadow/highlight tool applied, new color balance.
    Edit 2 Problems fixed. Colour fringing and tone repaired from Durova's original edit.
    Reason
    A compelling illustration of national level politics in the United States at the close of the Mexican-American War. Political cartoon depicts a man in military uniform sitting atop a pile of skulls, which could represent either Zachary Taylor or Winfield Scott during the presidential primary race of 1848. Published by Nathaniel Currier of Currier & Ives fame, before the partnership. Restored version of File:Whig primary 1848.jpg.
    Articles this image appears in
    Whig Party (United States)#A_brief_golden_age, Nathaniel Currier
    Creator
    N. Currier

    Promoted File:Whig primary 1848d.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]




    Cell Cross Section

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    Original - A cross section of a human body cell. (1) nucleolus
    (2) nucleus
    (3) ribosomes (little dots)
    (4) vesicle
    (5) rough endoplasmic reticulum (ER)
    (6) Golgi apparatus
    (7) Cytoskeleton
    (8) smooth ER
    (9) mitochondria
    (10) vacuole
    (11) cytoplasm
    (12) lysosome
    (13) centrioles within centrosome
    Reason
    Extremely high EV, possibly highest use I've ever seen, well done image, meets criteria. I can't believe no one found this gem for FP yet.
    Articles this image appears in
    over 100, including Cytoplasm, Lysosome, Organelle, Cell nucleus, pick any part of a cell and this is there, prominently.
    Creator
    MesserWoland and Szczepan1990
    I strongly disagree with that statement. The guidelines are a minimum for FPs, and this image clearly meets those guidelines. I won't even address criteria one, its obvious that the image passes there. As for criteria three, the only possible reason to object is that the organelles are not labeled. This is addressed in the individual articles. Finally, I urge you to look at criteria number five. "A picture's encyclopedic value is given priority over its artistic value." I challenge you to find an image that has higher EV on more pages than this. Go ahead, spend six hours and find two images.  Nezzadar ☎   05:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, your arguement goes dangerously close to the fungi rationale. I.e. "we don't need another FP of a mushroom." This rationale has no weight here. If it meets FP requirements, it meets FP requirements, regardless of how many other similar images exist.   Nezzadar ☎   05:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The image lacks reliable sources. The ribosomes are entirely too simple, and since when are the contents of mitochondria shaped in the form of bundled shoelaces? Allow me to give you an illustration that is of featurable quality, File:Complete neuron cell diagram en.svg. The nomination pales in comparison. Switching to strong oppose. –blurpeace (talk) 23:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    There we go, some arguments I can work with. First off, show me any image that has ribosomes as something other than dots. Umm really? Second, the mitochondria are not perfect, but the size, shape, and placement are. This is not nearly as technical as the neuron cell, it's designed to show size and placement in an easy to understand way. As for the sources, not much I can do to help you with that, except for the fact that the diagram looks like every diagram in every biology textbook short of med-school, so it can be seen as common knowledge to middle school graduates.   Nezzadar ☎   03:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Simple errors will be fixed over time in the way Noodle snacks describes- other problems (neutrality and such) will often not fix themselves, and it takes a lot more to expand and research than it does to correct and prettify. J Milburn (talk) 23:42, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Update Tried labeling image in inkscape, failed, don't have time to learn the program.   Nezzadar ☎   16:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    This is true. I tried editing it myself, but wound up losing the image when I redid the text. The redeeming value to this, however, is that the articles themselves will mention which number is relevant. In all likelyhood, this will be changed eventually though.   Nezzadar ☎   05:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Not promoted --jjron (talk) 12:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Guide at Little Norway, Wisconsin

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    Original - Early color photograph of a guide at Little Norway, Wisconsin. Taken by Arthur Rothstein for the Farm Security Administration, 1943. Digitally restored.
    Reason
    An amazing portrait by any standard, but especially for 1943. The subject is a guide to a Norwegian heritage site in Wisconsin which has since been named to the U.S. National Register of Historic Places. Encyclopedic for the history section of the article about the site and for the photographer's biography. Restored version of File:Little Norway Guide.jpg.
    Articles this image appears in
    Arthur Rothstein, Little Norway, Wisconsin
    Creator
    Arthur Rothstein

    Promoted File:Little Norway Guide2.jpg --jjron (talk) 12:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Jellyfish Cross Section

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    Original - A cross section of the jellyfish Olindias phosphorica, representing the typical jellyfish anatomy during its medusa stage.
    Edit - web-safe fonts; remove background
    Reason
    another excellent SVG by master illustrator LadyofHats. High EV, will become more and more important as the jellyfish sections of Wikipedia get fixed. (it's a mess there now)
    Articles this image appears in
    Jellyfish, Flower hat jelly gallery, ineligible
    Creator
    LadyofHats
    Sure, have at it!   Nezzadar ☎   03:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
     Done. ZooFari 03:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, what's the difference? It doesn't look so nice in thumb format, now... J Milburn (talk) 18:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Background is now transparent. As for the font I agree. However there haven't been any particular cries to swap out the edit, so if we don't like it, we can use the perfectly fine original.   Nezzadar ☎   18:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Could we possibly transparent-atise the original, without swapping the fonts? J Milburn (talk) 19:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The font was the main issue. It was converted to web-safe ("editable"). Whether it became attractive or not, it is still readable in thumbnail. I think web-safe is much more important then attractiveness, but of coarse, I should leave that up to the rest of the community. ZooFari 23:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, it the pages where this image appears, the gallery image is too small to be readable regardless of the font, and the jellyfish article is big enough that the font dosen't matter. It's a non-issue for this particular image.   Nezzadar ☎   23:22, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Correct. There are some images, however, with exceptional non-websafe fonts due to large file dimensions (if web-safe were to be used, they would appear completely messy in thumbnails). This one is much clean compared to others, so it's something we should be happy about. ZooFari 23:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Promoted File:Cross section jellyfish en (edit).svg --jjron (talk) 12:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Circulatory System

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    Original - simplified diagram of the human Circulatory system in anterior view
    Reason
    Excellent image, high EV, illustrates concept in the best way possible, note that it is an SVG so it can be enlarged and meets the size requirement. Already a valued picture, deserves more though.
    Articles this image appears in
    Blood vessel, Circulatory system
    Creator
    LadyofHats
    Comment I think that that was discussed in the VP nomination. At least I remember that. I'll go check.   Nezzadar ☎   00:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Nope, just a spelling error in the VP. I can ask around, maybe Wikipedia it, oh wait, never mind, that won't work... Umm.   Nezzadar ☎   00:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Confirmed One of the many benefits of a pre-med roommate is that I can ask him these things. Everything looks good. The one thing he said was that the pulmonary vein and pulmonary arteries are reversed in color from the rest of the system, which the diagram reflects, so LadyofHats nailed it 100%.   Nezzadar ☎   01:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose Problems:
    • the testicularis vein and artery should be called gonadal vein and artery to maintain gender neutrality, otherwise label the diagram as male
    • the hepatic vein label in the picture is too ambiguous; it's pointing to an area where there's two other unlabeled veins; if the label were to instead point to all three veins, then it could correctly be called "hepatic veins"
    • the current label vena cava should be the inferior vena cava, and the superior vena cava should be labeled
    • why not label the brachiocephalic veins? They are the last two branches before the superior vena cava
    • if the median antebranchial vein is gonna be labeled, ya might as well label the cephalic vein (the major vein in the lower arm, and prominent on the diagram, but unlabeled), and also the ulnar vein, especially since the ulnar artery is labeled
    • the medial plantar vein is shown but unlabeled
    • is it just me or is the subjects left side between armpit and hip bumpy? Sasata (talk) 02:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Suspending Nomination until someone else can fix this. Aye. I see. Well now you are the expert. I however am not an SVG editor, so I cannot change this. If you can find someone to fix these issues, I would be really happy. LadyofHats seems to be unavailable right now though.   Nezzadar ☎   02:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC) P.S. My roommate is going down for this. Grrr.[reply]

    I can't really take credit, I asked my wife, who's a physician :) Sasata (talk) 02:44, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Is your wife, by chance, also an SVG image editor? Becuase we need one now. He eh.   Nezzadar ☎   03:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you requesting this be suspended, or are you withdrawing it? If you want it suspended I suggest you have some idea of who is going to edit it first... There's no point indefinitely suspending things. --jjron (talk) 07:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Changing some text can't be that difficult, surely? J Milburn (talk) 11:28, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    On it. I'll get to this after I fix some of the above submissions. In the mean time, I am really having trouble updating other user's photos. See below.   Nezzadar ☎   14:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Apparently, it can be that difficult. Can someone else fix this, I tried and couldn't even open the damn images correctly. LadyofHats uses Adobe Illustrator, so it isn't easy at all for me.   Nezzadar ☎   15:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I've fixed most of the above mentioned issues with the SVG plus a few more:
    • Fixed the disfigured right side of the body; don't know what the original maker was doing there.
    • Added Decending aorta label and moved Aorta above the heart
    • Added Superior vena cava label
    • Moved hepatic vein label to address Sasata's issue
    • Removed Median antebranchial vein label and added Cephalic vein label on forearm in addtion to the one at shoulder. I don't think the Radial and Ulnar veins are necessary as one can infer their position from their respective arteries
    • Added the Brachiocephalic vein. --Jinman11 (talk) 01:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Shoot, this was my first time uploading an SVG to wikipedia; what did I do to the text? --Jinman11 (talk) 01:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed both. And the double thick line for the heart is because it deals with both oxygenated (red) and deoxygenated (blue) blood. --Jinman11 (talk) 19:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Promoted File:Circulatory System en.svg --jjron (talk) 12:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Dan'l Druce, Blacksmith

    [edit]
    Original - Dan'l Druce, Blacksmith, an 1876 play by W. S. Gilbert, was perhaps Gilbert's most critically-successful serious play and was revived repeatedly throughout the Victorian period. The lead was played by one of Gilbert's favourite actors, Hermann Vezin, and, in the words of the review that accompanied this image in the Illustrated London News, "electrified the house" with his performance.
    Touched Up
    Reason
    An important, if now rarely performed, play by a major playwright, W. S. Gilbert, which has been heavily commented on for its notable place in his literary development. Was reminded of it by some mild vandalism to its old nomination, Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Dan'l Druce, Blacksmith, which fell just short of quorum.
    Articles this image appears in
    Silas Marner, Hermann Vezin, Dan'l Druce, Blacksmith
    Creator
    Francis Sylvestre Walker (1848-1916) - Engraved by the Dalziel Brothers.

    Promoted File:Dan'l Druce, Blacksmith - Illustrated London News, November 18, 1876.png --jjron (talk) 12:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Animal Mitochondrion

    [edit]
    Original - A cross section of the mitochondrion of an animal cell.
    Edit - "Inter membrane space" to "Intermembrane space"; web-safe fonts.
    Reason
    Another excellent illustration. I'm not afraid to say that I am partial to illustrations, especially well made, high EV ones such as this. Look at the articles this is in, and prominently in for that.
    Articles this image appears in
    Intermembrane space of mitochondria, Intermembrane space, Mitochondrial myopathy, Molecular anthropology, and Mitochondrion
    Creator
    LadyofHats

    Update I have asked for help in the Wikipedia image labs, and specifically ZooFari. I am awaiting an answer from them.   Nezzadar ☎   02:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Who apparently already did it. Wow. I should have read that closer first. As I said, I need to stop editing late at night...   Nezzadar ☎   02:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Asked him to implement the changes he suggested. ZooFari is soooo getting a barnstar for this quick save.   Nezzadar ☎   02:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
     Done - Spelled out DNA and capitalized "Cristae". ZooFari 03:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 15:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Battle of Port Arthur

    [edit]
    Original - A Russian ship being destroyed at the Battle of Port Arthur in the Russo-Japanese War. Title translates as "True report of the great sea battle at Lüshun Bay: number two," by Torajirō Kasai
    Edit 1 Corners fixed up.
    Reason
    High quality and vividly colored image that displays the subject. Trust me, it's not off-kilter, the image is just not perfectly squared (not surprising as a handmade piece). You'll notice the boxes of text on either side do not perfectly align with the image itself, giving it the impression of a tilt. Have a translation request out at Wikiproject Japan to expand the image description page.
    Articles this image appears in
    Battle of Port Arthur
    Creator
    Torajirō Kasai, edited by Staxringold
    • Like I said, I have a translation request out. A quick reply says the top is the title (as seen in English on the bottom), the left and right are the Russian and Japanese ship rosters, and the bottom left is the printing info. Uploaded an edit fixing those corners. Staxringold talkcontribs 01:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 22:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Confederate Dead at Devil's Den Gettysburg

    [edit]
    Original - Body of Confederate sharpshooter, behind famous shooting blind at Devil's Den. (Taken on July 6 or July 7, 1863, by Alexander Gardner (photographer). Recent scholarship strongly suggests that the photo was staged for dramatic effect with a body recovered elsewhere).
    Reason
    This is a historic picture that is depicting a small portion of the bloodiest battle in the American Civil War. It meets the size requirement by more than triple. Furthermore, the image is the object of some doubt because of the fact that some scholars believe it to be staged. The image shows great details of the fallen solider and the location he died. I initially put the picture up for peer review here and per the feedback, I performed some restoration edits to the photo. (As a note, the restored image shown here has not been placed into the articles yet. The original version is still there)
    Articles this image appears in
    Devil's Den, Alexander Gardner (photographer)
    Creator
    Creator:Picture taken by Alexander Gardner. Originally uploaded by Edmund Ferman.

    Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 01:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Dubai airport DXB terminal 1

    [edit]
    Reason
    Good quality and EV. Taken handheld at night at ISO-800 but I think it turned out pretty good. The best quality image at the airport article.
    Articles this image appears in
    List of tourist attractions in Dubai, Dubai International Airport
    Creator
    Muhammad Mahdi Karim
    Don't bite the newbies. The image has issues, and long time users say that. I had a bunch of nominations shot down too, and I didn't take it out on the community. Grow up.  Nezzadar [SPEAK]  04:20, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Not promoted -- Nezzadar [SPEAK]  04:23, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


    Kenyon Cox nude study

    [edit]
    Original - Nude study in graphite; preparatory drawing by figurative art advocate Kenyon Cox for the allegorical figure of Romance in "The Arts" mural at the Library of Congress Jefferson Building.
    Edit 1 - Likely more realistic colours for graphite, which is, after all, a soft grey.
    Reason
    Kenyon Cox was an outspoken opponent of abstract art; his artistic theory emphasized drawing from life, allegory, and classical themes. This study for a mural at the Library of Congress is a good example of his priorities and style. Restored version of File:Kenyon Cox nude study.jpg.
    Articles this image appears in
    Kenyon Cox, Figurative art
    Creator
    Kenyon Cox
    • Support as nominator --Durova332 22:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support GerardM (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support Per EV to the article Figurative art.   Nezzadar ☎   23:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support; a solid restoration and seems to be a good example piece in both articles (though I'm no expert). J Milburn (talk) 23:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Question. I raised this question below, but it seems appropriate to the majority of the restorations I've been seeing so I'll raise it again here: since there appears to be no reliable source for the original image and paper colors or the effects of aging on the different combinations of image and paper, how do these "restorations" beyond removal of obvious digitization artefacts constitute anything other than original research? 82.251.140.156 (talk) 10:31, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Umm, okay I'll try this. Original research is me going to China, watching the government for five years, then writing a Wikipedia page about it. This isn't research, its restoration. It's based on the skill Durova and the others have developed over hundreds of edits. It's designed to make things more viewable by adjusting the contrast, adjusting out red-yellow color damage, and resetting the black balance. If you look at the edits, you will see that these aren't dramatic changes, and last I checked, the Library of Congress itself has thanked us a few times for this.   Nezzadar ☎   13:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Adjust contrast by how much? Adjusting out red-yellow color damage towards which color? resetting the black balance to what? A significant part of the work of restoration is to precisely determine the original appearance, often by chemical analysis of the remaining pigments or reference to historical documents detailing their fabrication. When the substrate's average color changes from #f0efee to #fefcfd as part of the restoration, the question is "why?" And if the answer is "because that's the color I think it was originally", then the follow up is "do you have source for that?" otherwise the modification cleary is original research.82.251.140.156 (talk) 15:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support to get things on topic. Staxringold talkcontribs 01:56, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I'm running out of trouts.   Nezzadar ☎   03:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Promoted File:Kenyon Cox nude study2.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 22:48, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Times Square

    [edit]
    Reason
    Nighttime photo of the northern section of Times Square featuring billboard ads for various Broadway shows. Technically sound, though distortion correction was neglected purposefully (it will have too much of a negative impact on the photo, which looks fine without it anyway). Shows off the lighting, advertising, and people watching that Times Square offers and even includes a NYC Taxicab. Exposure time offers a bit of an aesthetic flare as well.
    Articles this image appears in
    Times Square, New York City, United States, Seventh Avenue (Manhattan), 47th Street (Manhattan)
    Creator
    upstateNYer
    • Support as nominator --upstateNYer 03:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support It's nice to see all the clean up happening in Peer Review. I am going to have to remember that nice little corner of Wikipedia from now on. Good work all around.   Nezzadar ☎   04:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support per myself in PPR. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:39, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support. High EV in the 7th, 47th Ave and Times Square articles. Nice splash of colour. Mostlyharmless (talk) 06:49, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support per Mostlyharmless. I've just added the image to the Billboard article. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 07:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support. It certainly has plenty of EV given the article's it is being used in, and the quality is actually pretty good. Sharp from corner to corner, detailed, and although it's a shame that the top of the 'South Pacific' billboard is out of the frame, I think this is a good photo. Times Square is pretty difficult to shoot well. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 09:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose Sorry, but I think the colors look too artificial to me and the composition is not so great due to the cut of the cab.--Caspian blue 12:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm not convinced that the colours are artificial looking. You seem very sensitive to colours (I recall you opposing an image or two of mine for similar reasons). What you might need to consider is that there are so many different light sources interacting in the scene that it is not possible to correct the white balance for any one of them locally. Just a thought, anyway, but colour is such a complex and subjective thing that I don't think it is fair to oppose for that reason. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 12:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Allow me to explain the problem in three words: "It's New York." A higher concentration of colors and lights exists in few other places.   Nezzadar ☎   13:45, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • (To, Diliff) Likewise, I'm not convinced of your analysis. Perhaps, you're very sensitive to my past oppose votes to your images which has nothing to do with my opinion here. I appreciate any efforts made by contributors here, but I don't think this is a best shot that we could get for Time square. Time square images are published zillion times, and I'm well aware of the lighting differing to places. However, as you see, the color of the Phantom of the Opera's billboard is not correct and overall the level of the image is a bit overexposed. The color looks artificial because of the blue and violet tones. I stand by my opinion so do you.--Caspian blue 13:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • No, I am not sensitive to your past oppose votes, just aware of them. As I said before, you cannot completely correct the colour in a scene as complex as this. If you correct the balance for one light source, you will make other light sources incorrect. All you can do is set the colour balance for the entire scene that is roughtly correct with deviations from this for warm and cool light sources (incandescent downlighting, and fluorescent/neon lighting respectively). In fact, as an aside, not all light sources should be corrected for. As I've mentioned in past discussions on this topic, it is not usually a good idea to correct for the warm light of a sunset because warm colours are what your eyes see. You're being far too simplistic about the issue of colour. There are arguments where it is more than just one opinion vs another and I think this is one of them: There are fundamentals to colour analysis and correction that you seem to be overlooking. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 14:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • There are arguments where it is more than just one opinion vs another, don't you think this assertion is too early to the FPC that just been here less 12 hours? Still, I'm not convinced of your "so-called" analysis. Color can be changed by moderating levels, and giving or reducing specific tones. --Caspian blue 14:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • The objectivity and validity of an argument has nothing to do with how long a nomination has been running. Colour can be changed by altering specific tones locally, but then you are not just changing the colour balance, you are actually altering the interrelatedness of the colour in the scene. Anyway, if it is trivial to do what you've described, then perhaps you could offer an edit with improved colour balance. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 14:39, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                • Anticipation is subjective, and you're resorting to fallacies in believing that your opinions are superior, objective and valid while I'm not. Please do not continue such unpleasant behaviors crossing over ad hominem. You also totally forget about my other opposing reason due to the composition, and I don't feel obliged to edit the picture for your satisfaction.--Caspian blue 14:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                  • It wouldn't be for my satisfaction since I think the image is perfectly fine as it is. It's easy to throw criticism of an image around, after all, but since you felt the colour was 'artificial' or incorrect, I thought you might want to try to improve it? I didn't forget about your other reason for opposing, I accepted it as valid which is why I didn't comment on it. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 15:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                    • I corrected colors of some pictures that nominated for FP on Commons, but heard of complaints like "stealing thunder". The composition is not good, so I don't think even if I correct the color, I would not support for the reason.--Caspian blue 15:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                      • Your support for it is beside the point. If you think you could improve it, you should try. It will be up to the voters to decide which version they prefer. I don't think anyone has ever complained about stealing thunder here and it is quite common to upload edits with potential improvements. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 15:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                        • My possible support for the nom is a motivation or discouragement whether I may or may not edit the image. You're really persistent. Whether you don't like my opinion or not, I don' care given that your persistence can't stop you badgering me.--Caspian blue 15:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support as PPR --Muhammad(talk) 14:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support: Great capture of NYC, good picture quality, and good EV in the articles. And pretty, :-) Maedin\talk 17:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: I love this picture, and I do want to support, but am I the only one feeling a little concerned about copyright issues? What we basically have here is several high resolution shots of broadway posters, a distorted street below... J Milburn (talk) 18:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Since no single billboard is the focus of the image, I think we're OK per De minimis requirements. Kaldari (talk) 19:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • So we're ok to use the billboards in context, but we wouldn't be ok to crop it down? Perhaps I need to learn more about de minimis... J Milburn (talk) 19:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Agree with Kaldari, definitely De minimis, they are a vital part of the scene as a collection, but incidental to the scene as individual billboards. And yes, cropping too much might make one billboard a significant part of the scene and cross the line. Also, distortion is to be expected in this case given the scene. Better to have a wide angle view with some distortion than a random sliver of the scene with minimal distortion IMO. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 19:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Weak Oppose. Composition could be better (e.g. cut off taxi in the corner). Kaldari (talk) 19:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support. I'm happy to accept that this is legit copyright-wise unless someone else wants to try to convince me otherwise. Love the composition and general makeup, and it certainly told me a lot about what Times Square looks like. I think the taxi adds to it significantly, as does the distortion caused by the time-lapse. J Milburn (talk) 19:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I won't try to convince you otherwise, but to elaborate on why it's de minimis, let me show you a similar image of mine. This one had it's share of critics with licensing concerns on FPC, since the entire frame is filled with individual artworks that would very much likely be copyrighted (even if the intent was clearly for anonymous public display). However, it was nominated for deletion on Commons and the conclusion was de minimis, because no single artwork was integral - they were all independent and incidentical as individual works to the scene. As such, the same idea would apply to this image too IMO. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 20:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yes, I thought of that image when I saw this too, and I remember opposing that one (though, if I remember correctly, it was on philosophical, rather than legal grounds). This is something I'm going to need to become a little more familiar with, I think. I'll take a read of the Commons policy. J Milburn (talk) 20:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support. Great picture. Interesting angle and it covers quite a wide variety of aspects of times square activity without breaking copyright. Bravo! 217.33.127.162 (talk) 23:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support Great image! Staxringold talkcontribs 01:52, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • About EV I have never been there but my first feeling about this shot is that of missing something. How people that know Times Square feel about this? I looked at the wikipedia article and it says Times Square is a "major intersection" while in the intersection in the picture only one of the streets goes through it and therefore only one of the streets catches all the attention while the other is not even clear if it is a street or the entrance of some building. I saw some other pictures about Times Square in and outside wikipedia and in some I saw that more information can be offered taking the shot from a different position. For instance in other picture I saw that there is a funny shape in that intersection (in Spanish we call it "a knife"), a street that becomes two streets at some point. This is not shown here. (Maybe it is not important, I dont know) I can not draw an opinion or even less a vote from this since I don't know the subject. But I would like to see how those who can feel about this. Is this picture under-representing the subject, not giving all the information about it that can be easily achieved using a different angle?  Franklin.vp  04:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • You're absolutely right that this image doesn't give a complete understanding of Times Square, but no single image could and this one doesn't try to. Sure, you could do a better job of showing that it is an intersection, but then you'd miss other aspects of the square and it might be an awkward composition. The only real way of showing the entire square would be to take a panorama, and I know from experience how hard it is to take a good panorama of it. It's very messy compositionally, and a lot of the more central locations for the panorama are obscured by lots of things (and from memory, would require you to stand in the middle of the road). This one doesn't do a bad job, but it's hardly FP material and it's only about 180 degrees AOV.

    Ðiliff «» (Talk) 08:50, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Support. To answer Franklin's question - yes, I think this captures some of the energy of the square, at least as I've always seen it. Here's the thing: Times Square is a major intersection, but it doesn't feel like one; whenever you're there, your eye is taken up with so many other aspects of the place that you don't stop to remember that there are roads intersecting there. It's all about the sense of place, which I think this captures well. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 22:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Eastern Rosella

    [edit]
    Original - Eastern Rosella (Platycercus eximius diemenensis)
    Reason
    Meets requirements. Can see all parts of bird.
    Articles this image appears in
    Eastern Rosella, Rosella
    Creator
    Noodle snacks
    Neutral per above and the blurry back leg.   Nezzadar ☎   16:12, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Promoted File:Platycercus eximius diemenensis.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 23:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Noisy Miner

    [edit]
    Original - Noisy Miner (M. melanocephala)
    Alt
    Reason
    Meets requirements hopefully.
    Articles this image appears in
    Noisy Miner, Manorina
    Creator
    Noodle snacks
    • There's no question about the sharp focus, but I do think that natural beauty is relevant to the topic, after all you wouldn't want to see a bird in a cage. Context is also important, and if you look to the image carefully you'll see that the bird is standing on a concrete slab (or similar), eating something which appears to be bread (I wouldn't suggest that this was provided by the photographer)... while the article states: Its typical diet consists of nectar, fruit and insects, and occasionally it feeds on small reptiles or amphibians.Elekhh (talk) 08:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • But you have to also understand that many birds have adapted to urban environments, and the Miner bird is one of them. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but we can't always expect to have only photos of birds in their natural, pre-urbanised environment. Of course we'd like to pretend that nature exists without any influence from humans, but that's unrealistic. If we provide them with easy pickings such as bread scraps(the article says that they are opportunistic), it's going to provide them with a new, non-natural habitat. But that doesn't make the photo any less truthful and representative. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 09:05, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Noisy Miners have adapted better than other species to the point that they are considered pests: [14]. They are particularly dominant in parks etc because there is no dense foliage to harbour smaller birds (just trees and grass). I see them eat food found on the ground on a regular basis. I've added an alt, though the image quality is weaker. Noodle snacks (talk) 09:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sure they did, and so they are the third most common species in Sydney ocurring in 60% of gardens [15]. While they sometimes walk on the pedestrian footpath, most of the time you see them in parks and gardens. So I would have imagined that is possible to capture a picture with a better background, and a more representative context, which the Alt just demonstrates. I find Alt much better. Elekhh (talk) 09:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • As discussed though, this isn't necessarily more representative. Just a different aspect of the same bird's behaviour. Birds don't share your prejudice of unaesthetic locations for photography. ;-) I do agree that aesthetically, the alt is a little better, but the detail isn't quite as good. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 10:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Without wanting to start on OT debate, it's my observation that FPC has been erring recently towards "good technicals + sufficient EV = support" without much consideration to composition or setting, and TBH really only passing consideration to EV. As I indicate in my vote, a grey bird on asphalt isn't ideal. I agree with Elekhh that for a common bird we can probably expect something better for an FP, and given NS also suggests they are common where lives he will probably be providing that before long. I think his butterfly just above is an opportune example of this, where a poor sample (i.e., specimen, not photo) was promoted six months ago, and now he's provided something far superior, leaving a quite minor article with (what will be) two FPs + one former FP. This level of evaluation is one area I think standards have slipped at FPC in the last year or two. I ask you to look at this image without consideration of sharpness or other technicals and honestly ask yourself 'is this one of the best of the best bird images on WP?' The obsession with 'technical quality' at the expense of all else has understandably left various outsiders (and I'm sure some insiders) scratching their heads about much of the process. --jjron (talk) 12:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • To an extent I think you're right, but I think the question that should be asked is "Is this an image that I can learn a lot from?", not "is it the best bird image on WP?". With bird images, a high level of detail is important, as is behaviour and environment, but I don't think aesthetics are quite as important as those. It certainly helps, but (IMO) we're here to identify photos that add a lot of value to articles. I think they can do that without being 'pretty', sometimes. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 12:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I already learned that the Noisy Miner eats bread and walks on footpaths. I also know now that it hides well in a grey environment, although I read that's not characateristic. Further I learned that it cannot wash its back, hence it's covered all over with white dots (was it mining in bread again?) ... Now imagine one navigates on Wiki and sees Alt (or similar), wow what a nice bird! let's read.... Elekhh (talk) 14:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't really see the relation to my comment (I don't think I've ever commented on use of scales); but anyway, my point is there's a number of factors to be considered, but the focus has erred primarily towards technicals. --jjron (talk) 12:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    This should probably be on the FPC talk page. In fact, I am going to start a thread there right now. Please go contribute there, as this is a very important discussion.   Nezzadar ☎   21:02, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 23:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Meadow Argus

    [edit]
    Original - Meadow Argus (Junonia villida)
    Reason
    Good quality focus stack. Compliments wings closed FP.
    Articles this image appears in
    Junonia, Meadow Argus
    Creator
    Noodle snacks

    Promoted File:Junonia villida 2.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 23:12, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]



    Dundasite and Crocoite

    [edit]
    Original - Dundasite (white) and Crocoite (orange/red) from Dundas, Tasmania. Field of view is 5mm.
    Reason
    "Dundasite commonly overgrows crocoite", so the mixed minerals are justified. The type locality is best known for Crocoite.
    Articles this image appears in
    Dundasite, Dundas, Tasmania
    Creator
    Noodle snacks



    Promoted File:Dundasite and Crocoite.jpg --Staxringold talkcontribs 23:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Battle of Churubusco

    [edit]
    Original - Battle of Churubusco by J. Cameron, published by Nathaniel Currier. Hand tinted lithograph, 1847.
    Reason
    Period illustration of the Battle of Churubusco, where the Mexican attempted to halt the U.S. Army advance 5 miles (8 km) from Mexico City. Restored version of File:Battle of Churubusco.jpg.
    Edit 1: Colours redone, fixes to text.
    Articles this image appears in
    Battle of Churubusco, Mexican-American War
    Creator
    J. Cameron, published by Nathaniel Currier

    Promoted File:Battle of Churubusco2.jpg --Staxringold talkcontribs 20:52, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


    File:Keswick Panorama - Oct 2009.jpg

    [edit]
    Original - A panoramic view Skiddaw mountain, the town of Keswick, Cumbria and Derwent Water, as viewed on a clear autumn afternoon in the Lake District, England.
    Reason
    It's a detailed and aesthetic view of an important area in the Lake District.
    Articles this image appears in
    Lake District and Walla Crag
    Creator
    User:Diliff

    Promoted File:Keswick Panorama - Oct 2009.jpg –blurpeace (talk) 23:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Please do not promote images when there is not a clear consensus. Ha ha ha.  Nezzadar [SPEAK]  02:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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