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Mondo (overleg) 27 jul 2023 14:12 (CEST)

Thanks! A09 (overleg) 27 jul 2023 14:14 (CEST)

Kane en Abel

All I saw was an article of a book. You can have questions about an article but 1 source in a foreign language in my opinion does not qualify a spam nuweg. You're of course free to nominate the article in the normal deletion nomination. LeeGer 26 mrt 2024 11:37 (CET)

This seems like normal crosswiki spam with machine translationed text and a spamlink. Best, A09 (overleg) 26 mrt 2024 11:41 (CET)

Like I said, you are welcome to give the article a regular nomination but in my opinion it doesn't qualify as spam. LeeGer 26 mrt 2024 11:44 (CET)

Uninvolved user who regularly gets involved with x-wiki matters here. If you are going to not help with cross-wiki abuse, at least maybe start the deletion nomination instead of telling A09, a user who has no knowledge of Dutch, to do so. Not that any of this had to happen anyway, because lock evasion from ALS is not welcome. --SHB2000 (overleg) 20 jul 2024 13:15 (CEST)

Also, where does it say that a user needs to know Dutch to start a regular deletion nomination? Please point me to said guideline, because I've never seen that one before. And I'm an active user on the regular nomination pages and I help out a lot there, so if that guideline existed, I would know. In fact, we have had nominations in English before there and they were treated the same as the ones in Dutch. So “knowledge of Dutch” is not needed. Mondo (overleg) 21 jul 2024 13:10 (CEST)

You keep requesting speedy deletions on articles that don't fit the bill. This is a friendly reminder to proceed with a regular nomination next time. LeeGer already warned you a few months ago and you also received a moderator warning, so please take it seriously now. Mondo (overleg) 20 jul 2024 12:36 (CEST)

I think it's easier for you to prepare a request for deletion since you know the language and the procedure. I have linked the longterm abuse and on most wikis these are speedy processed, those which fail quick deletion, are requested for normal deletion by the closer. It is not like I am making vandalising speedy deletions. I am very disappointed by the feedback from nlwiki community members here. A09 (overleg) 20 jul 2024 13:37 (CEST)

Forgot to mention I see no "mod warning". LeeGer's comment was on a different article from a different case and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. A09 (overleg) 20 jul 2024 13:44 (CEST)

I Hope you can behalve yourself without a mod warning. Or will that be a problem? LeeGer 20 jul 2024 13:56 (CEST)

A09 is behaving themselves perfectly fine. Nothing from them is inherently problematic. SHB2000 (overleg) 20 jul 2024 14:02 (CEST)

If that was the case we wouldn't be here. LeeGer 20 jul 2024 14:04 (CEST)

We wouldn't be here if you hadn't let lock evaders and long-term abusers get away with lock evasion. --SHB2000 (overleg) 20 jul 2024 14:07 (CEST)

I see an interesting™ discussion evolved here. I will point out that I've never met such hostile environment on any project before, even less from established community members. Furthermore, and I want to make this very stern, pretending to be an admin, which neither of you two are, is disruptive behaviour, and does not meet any expected standard for discussions. Messages pretending to be "official mod warnings" have long overcome any assumption of good faith. My opinion is still the same, I've done nothing wrong and I'm prepared to take this matter further if you do not stop with such behaviour. A09 (overleg) 20 jul 2024 15:33 (CEST)

Neither me or @Mondo claimed to be admin so your accusation are the disruptive behaviour here. LeeGer 20 jul 2024 15:58 (CEST)

But you did talk about me receiving an official mod warning, which I've received none. That someone who is not a "mod" (actually, it should sysop/admin) and is trying to project his nonexistant power through giving a "mod warning" is false impersonation. I had enough of this discussion as it is pointless anyways. Drop the stick. A09 (overleg) 20 jul 2024 16:03 (CEST)

No, I didn't. I just said I hope that one isn't necessary. LeeGer 20 jul 2024 17:52 (CEST)

I heard you had been given a mod warning (yes, we call them moderators over here), but maybe I was wrong then. In that case I do apologize.

Either way, the procedure of a regular nomination is the exact same as on other wikis and nowhere does it state that you need to “know the language” in order to nominate. So feel free to do it.

And yes, your accusations towards me and @LeeGer are uncalled for. I may have been wrong regarding the mod warning, but I did not pretend to be a mod. I just said that you had been given a mod warning, because that's what I had heard. And LeeGer did not pretend do be a mod either. Mondo (overleg) 20 jul 2024 17:53 (CEST)

Well, you heard wrong. I have no "mod" warning whatsoever, nor onwiki nor offwiki via email/Discord/IRC. A09 (overleg) 20 jul 2024 18:24 (CEST)

Please note that when a foreign user with cross-wiki experience requests a speedy deletion, it often indicates a concern about the content that warrants administrative review. Such users may not be familiar with the specific procedures of our community, so it's important to address their concerns in good faith. If there are issues with the speedy deletion requests that require scrutiny, it would make sense for User:Drummingman or any other administrator to warn A09 about their requests. And as of now, that hasn’t happened. - XXBlackburnXx (overleg) 20 jul 2024 18:47 (CEST)

It wasn't just Drummingman: other moderators also turned his speedy deletion requests down. If multiple moderators turn down requests over a short period of time, then it does indicate that something's wrong with the requests and a different procedure should be used.

And I didn't say his requests weren't in good faith, I just reminded him that he could do a regular nomination instead. It's the exact same prodecure as elsewhere, at least on the wikis I know of beside NL:WP.

And again: I've heard wrong about the moderator warning and I already apologized for that. It would be nice if A09 would apologize as well for his accusations, like saying that LeeGer and I pretended to be moderators, which was not the case at all. Good faith works both ways. Mondo (overleg) 20 jul 2024 19:38 (CEST)

No admin have complained about his nominations, nobody raised any issues. Please, let the admins handle this. You can tell A09, 'hey we don't delete pages made by banned or blocked users, unlike some other wikis,' but leave it at that. This discussion got way too heated for no reason. It's weekend — try to enjoy it. XXBlackburnXx (overleg) 21 jul 2024 00:17 (CEST)

@XXBlackburnXx: Thanks for a rational answer. Is there any better criteria I could make a speedy nomination, like "obvious hoax" which is normal behaviour of this long term abuser? Thanks for your answer, A09 (overleg) 21 jul 2024 11:06 (CEST)

Not really. One of the speedy nominations you did was “obvious hoax”, but one the mods (I don't care what you want to call it, we call them moderators over here) still turned it into a regular nomination, because he didn't believe it was a hoax, and neither did the people that responded to the nomination. Mondo (overleg) 21 jul 2024 12:31 (CEST)

Either way, @XXBlackburnXx, I'm still waiting for an apology for the false accusation by A09. I already apologized for my false one, so it's only fair to receive an apology back. And same goes for LeeGer in my opinion, whom A09 also falsely accused. I'll try to enjoy my weekend afterwards. Mondo (overleg) 21 jul 2024 12:18 (CEST)

A09 has nothing to apologise for. SHB2000 (overleg) 21 jul 2024 12:53 (CEST)

So accusing me and LeeGer of “pretending to be an admin” when neither of us pretended to be one and claiming we did “false impersonations” is okay? Maybe on your home wiki, but on this wiki, it's not okay to make false accusations like that and I feel bad because of it. I apologized for my behavior, but being falsely accused and receiving no apology for that hurts. Mondo (overleg) 21 jul 2024 13:01 (CEST)

I...never accused you of doing that? --SHB2000 (overleg) 21 jul 2024 13:04 (CEST)

I… was talking about A09? Mondo (overleg) 21 jul 2024 13:05 (CEST)

Ik zal A09 straks wat opmerkingen sturen via een offwiki-kanaal. ten tweede wil ik dat deze discussie stopt, anders zal ik mijn moderatorknopjes moeten bovenhalen en dat lijkt me de enige manier om deze nutteloze discussie stop te zetten. Als de nominaties van A09 echt zo problematisch zijn, plaats dan een bericht op WP:OV zodat een moderator kan afhandelen/waarschuwen/whatever. XXBlackburnXx (overleg) 21 jul 2024 15:23 (CEST)

Bedankt, Blackburn. Voor mij is het zo wel klaar dan. Mondo (overleg) 21 jul 2024 15:37 (CEST)

@SHB2000 LeeGer hasn't let anyone get away with it. The moderators decided to not honor A09's recent speedy deletion requests and I had heard that he had been given a warning. Maybe you should ask yourself why the moderators have chosen not to honor his requests and opted for a regular nomination instead? If you're not satisfied with that, please direct your anger towards them and not towards LeeGer. Mondo (overleg) 20 jul 2024 17:56 (CEST)

There's nothing more I can do if you choose to be stubborn on and refuse to actually read what I and A09 have to say. SHB2000 (overleg) 20 jul 2024 23:28 (CEST)