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First Posted: 10-14-09 05:40 PM   |   Updated: 10-14-09 05:58 PM

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One of the most lasting and lamentable concepts to have emerged from the Iraq War was that of the "Friedman Unit." Coined by Duncan Black, the "Friedman Unit" referred to the next super-critical six months in Iraq that Thomas Friedman was forever suggesting would be crucial in determining the outcome of the war. Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) documented fourteen separate occasions when Friedman discussed those game-changing six months between November of 2003 and May of 2006, during which time Vladimir and Estragon managed to have the good sense to stop waiting for Godot to arrive and get on with their lives.

Now, all eyes are on General Stanley McChrystal as he prosecutes the War in Afghanistan. And in Dexter Filkins' lengthy New York Times magazine piece on McChrystal, the concept of time figures prominently:

"What do you need here?" McChrystal asked.


A translator turned the general's words into Pashto.

"We need schools!" one Afghan called back. "Schools!"

"We're working on that," McChrystal said. "Those things take time."

McChrystal walked some more, engaging another group of Afghans. He posed the same question.

"Security," a man said. "We need security. Security first, then the other things will be possible."

"That is what we are trying to do," McChrystal said. "But it's going to take time. Success takes time."

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The questions kept coming, and the answer was the same. After a couple of hours, McChrystal put on his helmet and flak jacket, boarded the Black Hawk and flew to another town.

Success takes time, but how much time does Stanley McChrystal have?

When McChrystal's deputy, General Michael Flynn, imagines success in Afghanistan, he imagines a lengthy process extended far into the future.

"We are going to go in and ask for some resources," he told me. "If those resources are brought to bear in a timely manner, I believe that it's probably going to take us three years to really turn the insurgency to the point where it's waning instead of waxing. To do that we have to fix the Afghan security forces, we have to build their capacity and capability, and we have to absolutely culturally change the way they operate. And then I think beyond those three years, we are looking at another two years when the government of Afghanistan and the security forces of Afghanistan begin to take a lot more personal responsibility. The challenge to us is: What can we do in 12 months? What should we expect? If people's expectations are that we are going to have the south turned around, for instance, it's not going to happen."

And that may be hard to stomach, even more difficult to afford. But McChrystal put a hard end point on what he believes to be the critical, determining phase of the mission:

When the briefing was finished, McChrystal looked around the room. "Gentlemen, I am coming into this job with 12 months to show demonstrable progress here -- and 24 months to have a decisive impact," he said. "That's how long we have to convince the Taliban, the Afghan people and the American people that we're going to be successful. In 24 months, it has to be obvious that we have the clear upper hand and that things are moving in the right direction. That's not a choice. That's a reality."

I'm genuinely relieved that McChrystal doesn't seem to think in Friedman units. If only I could be sure of all the other major players! Spencer Ackerman points out the rub: "But who will judge whether we have indeed shown 'demonstrable progress' or have had a 'decisive impact?'"

READ MORE:
Dexter Filkins: Stanley McChrystal's Long War [New York Times]

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One of the most lasting and lamentable concepts to have emerged from the Iraq War was that of the "Friedman Unit." Coined by Duncan Black, the "Friedman Unit" referred to the next super-critical six ...
One of the most lasting and lamentable concepts to have emerged from the Iraq War was that of the "Friedman Unit." Coined by Duncan Black, the "Friedman Unit" referred to the next super-critical six ...
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- New Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 24 fans permalink
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One abiding, resonating lesson from Viet Nam seems to be that 'governmental
corruption is a sure sign that we are supporting the wrong puppet government'.
It seems to mean things are not going to end well for US, but (as with Viet Nam),
it is IMPOSSIBLE to imagine that we could support the other side, not for twenty
years or so, til they can achieve 'most-favored nation' status anyway.

It is so important for the Pentago not to lose face in these matters. We should
let them drag it out, as they always do. What could it cost? If Viet Nam ended
the draft, maybe Afghanistan will start it up again.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 10/16/2009
- Ron44 I'm a Fan of Ron44 11 fans permalink

McChrystal is not to be trusted!! He is the darling of the warmonger right!! you the WAR AT ANY COST CROWD!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 10/15/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 46 fans permalink

Now General here is the way it is going to be !!
Get your mind off more troops !!
I am bringing the troops home immediately !!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 10/15/2009
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 24 fans permalink
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Y'know, we really ought NOT to persist in these campaigns to
'Win Hearts & Minds' around the world. We went into Afghanistan
to deal with OBL & we were unsuccessful. That ought to be the
end of the story, unless the sequel is to let special forces handle
it, send some covert teams wandering the planet to chase him down.
Do not send in an army of infantry when a platoon of spooks is sufficient.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 10/15/2009
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It seems like every da.mn fo.ol with a PC and word processing software is demanding "units" or "landmarks" as to ending our armed conflicts.

Gen. McChrystal and President Obama both have more sense to fall for such nonsense. We will have to fight a liquid flowing battle but without revealing our landmarks. I normally respect Thomas Friedman, but he's wrong here.

Punky, Chi.cken Hawk journalists like to write about THEIR deadlines. Then, if the battle flow does not meet THEIR deadline, they scream bloody mur.der. Arm chair generals all. Hannity, Krisitol, Beck, O'Reilly, and members of the printed media all like to demand timelines of THEIR choosing.

I haven't seen one journalist or TV personality report on the comprehensive elements in our drives against the Taliban and Al-Queda. Not one pundit of the press has written an intelligent analysis of the two wars. Everything they report on is focused on a headline like "The General Demands 40,000 More Troops!" McChrystal did discuss a very comprehensive plan with President Obama that might require 40,000 more troops. Both men are surveying the total picture which the press seems incapable of reporting.

Jeez, get out your copes of The Art of War by T'sun T'zu. You never let your enemy know exactly what you are going to do. The American right -wing press, however, seems h.ell bent to give the Taliban and Al-Queda encouragement by telling them very move we make.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 10/15/2009
- Ron44 I'm a Fan of Ron44 11 fans permalink

You have obviously never been in combat nor have you ever taken part in a war started by lying to the people!! Until you have shut up!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 10/15/2009
- nirek I'm a Fan of nirek 60 fans permalink
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I still say declare victory and bring the troops home and put them in ports and on the borders, let them defend our borders inspect the containers that come in from other countries.

Set an example as to how Democracy works and that will do more to spread Democracy then any nation building.

Nirek

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 10/15/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 49 fans permalink
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We should hold Obama to his promise - FINISHING the fight.

That means he has three years to get the job done and draw down the troops.

No second term if he can't live up to his campaign promises.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 10/15/2009
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I am in favor of Obama telling McChrystal he can have his 40,000 troops if he can tell us how those forces fit into the plan to end the war and leave Afghanistan.

It sounds like McChrystal has settled into retirement in Kabul.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 10/15/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 49 fans permalink
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co-sign.

we don't need to be nation-building.

get out troops out of the bush, let them hold and protect, get that afghan army 100% operational, and then we leave in three years...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 10/15/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 49 fans permalink
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our troops

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 10/15/2009
- Tiger99 I'm a Fan of Tiger99 4 fans permalink
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When are we the American people ever going to stand up and say enough is enough to the Military? Has anyone ever heard anyone associated with the military say 'we have enough" ? Not in my lifetime. As we go through these economic hardships why are we the American people not holding the military's gluttonous drain on our tax dollars accountable for their role in this? As the infrastructure of this country crumbles beneath our feet we are just supposed to "Support Our Troops" to the cost of 42 cents out every tax dollar. We are brainwashed in or intimidated into keeping our mouths shut. We are told we have no rights or say when it comes to the military. We are treated as though we should just open our wallets and hand them everything and we should be grateful that they aren't taking our shoes too. Their failures are always laid at the feet of the American people with the old and tired " well, our hands were tied".
Do we as taxpayers really need to see our tax dollars wasted on Nascar sponsorships, Super Bowl Commercials and Professional Bull Riding sponsorships while the military extends their hand and ask for more? Perhaps the armour for our troops they claim they don't have and desperately need can be provided easily by taking a hard look at military waste of tax dollars and redirecting they money that is already provided to providing the amour. 8 years and No Bin Ladin

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 10/15/2009
- TRex86 I'm a Fan of TRex86 152 fans permalink
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This is too too much like old fashioned colonialism, bringing civilization to the "wogs" at the tip of a bayonet. Since when is our military is there to build schools? (Where girls can go too?) We are cosmically stupid to keep doing this. The over-reliance on the military to solve our regional problems is expensive and counter-productive. No matter the rhetoric (which is wasted on an illiterate country) we come across as an occupying power. This strategy is really a consequence of the laziness of the neo-cons. International cooperation is for sissies. Diplomacy? Bah! Who needs it? Send in the troops--and it's the troops you have not the ones you wished you had. What a tragic waste of our dedicated young soldiers, posting them to the most backward, barren, uncivilized part of the planet and expecting them to turn it into the Garden of Eden.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 10/15/2009
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TRex,

SPOT ON!

It would be a lot cheaper & safer to bring those girls - whose parents approve - to the USA for education than it would be to occupy NOMAD land for 5 YEARS of nation building.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 10/15/2009
- JRAM I'm a Fan of JRAM permalink

The President sets the objectives and the policy, and the Generals develop the strategies and tactics to meet those parameters. Truman nipped that one in the bud when he dealt with MacArthur.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 10/15/2009
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JRAM

It looks like McCrystal has set HIS OWN policy of what HE wants done in Afghanistan.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 10/15/2009
- Chili4me I'm a Fan of Chili4me 14 fans permalink
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When the president doesn't set the objective or policies, then the military has to determine them on their own.

When America needed a leader most........we gave ourselves Barack Obama instead.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 10/15/2009
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McCrystal is into NATION BUILDING ... and wants USA to STAY IN Afghanistan at least 5 more years - so "WE" can "culturally change" them.

MCCRYSTAL: "I believe that it's probably going to take us THREE YEARS to really turn the insurgency to the point where it's waning instead of waxing."

MCCRYSTAL: "... we have to absolutely culturally change the way they operate.

MCCRYSTAL: " And then I think beyond those THREE YEARS, we are looking at another TWO YEARS."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 10/15/2009
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Where are the quotes FROM McCrystal telling "W" that he & ChainE were WRONG when they decided to ABANDON out troops in Afghanistan because OIL FIELDS were more important than our troops.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 10/15/2009
- rain33 I'm a Fan of rain33 11 fans permalink
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f*** mcchrystal; he doesn't run the white house or he isn't the commander in chief! barack should have never gotten him in the first place coz he covered up tillman's death.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 10/15/2009

This is the beginning of the liberal Democratic pile-on for escalating the depression­Â­-sustaini­n­g Afghan war ("really, listen-to-me, I'm-a-Good-Guy, not-one-of­Â­-them-inv­a­de-Iraq-­je­rks-and­-I-­say-es­cala­te"). We'll get this done in McChrystal Units (2 year units) instead of Friedman units. Less screaming that way. War criminal Bush wasn't bold enough to try 2 year units, but us liberal Democrats (who gave you Vietnam) are. Immediate, safe withdrawal of all US troops and contractors from Iraq and Afghanistan with the depression­Â­-sustaini­n­g-resour­ce­s necessary to continue the wars switched to infrastructure improvement, deficit reduction, fixing what we broke and health care reform. The Taliban have experienced "shock and awe" and once they drive out the drug pusherocracy we support, they'll not permit al Qaeda to use Afghanistan as a base to attack the US. They tried to hand over bin Laden to a neutral third country prior to the invasion. No Afghans attacked on 9/11 and prior to 9/11 al Qaeda existed in Afghanistan, but also in many countries, and we can't occupy them all. 9/11 was tactically planned in Germany and training for flying into buildings to place in the US. No more BS whether it's from liberal Democrats (like the Vietnam Days) or conservatives (like Iran/Contra, invade Iraq days). Just get out. It's too much of a cost in human and material resources for too little a gain and no improvement in US security.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 AM on 10/15/2009
- FebM I'm a Fan of FebM 29 fans permalink

meanwhile the Chinese exploit the Afghan resources under the radar,

Resource-hungry China heads to Afghanistan

"The problem is that while America is sacrificing its blood and treasure, the Chinese will reap the benefits. The whole direction of America’s military and diplomatic effort is toward an exit strategy, whereas the Chinese hope to stay and profit."

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/10/14/2098654.aspx

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 10/15/2009
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You wrote, "We'll get this done ..."

my question to you: Get WHAT done?

McCrystal has JUST ADMITTED that he needs 5 years to change their CULTURE. I don't want our troops lives at risk to change their CULTURE ... His notions sounds like what WE did the the Native American Indian ... CHANGE THEIR CULTURE ... Sorry to break the news but .... people LIKE THEIR CULTURE - as did the Indians.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 10/15/2009
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PS. Last I checked Nixon left us in Nam for his entire 5 YEAR term.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 10/15/2009

When Eisenhower left office there were 800 advisors in South Vietnam. Kennedy increased that to nearly 33,000 combat troops, advisors and other military when he was assassinated and Johnson escalated to a high of 545,000 with Westmoreland calling for more.

Nixon escalated the bombing and slaughter of Vietnamese as he steadily reduced troop levels and Ford finally withdrew. Liberal Democrats are just as barbaric, warmongering and bloodthirsty -- just as imperialistic and willing to kill and maim young Americans -- as neo-Cons are. You're already seeing the liberals lining up to justify Obama's "Big Lie" (Afganistan is a war of necessity) and to support troop increases -- expending depression­-sustainin­g resources against a non-threat. The Taliban experienced "shock and awe" and will not permit al Qaeda to use Afghanistan as bases to attack the US, just as they offered to turn over bin Laden prior to our invading Afghanistan.

All I'm saying is liberal Democrats are equally barbaric and warmongering to right-wingers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 10/15/2009
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 24 fans permalink
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There is an excellent op-ed in the NYT today which points out that
we won this thing in Afghanistan long ago, before we got to the
point now where we are on the verge of losing it, that the Afghan
president is totally corrupt or incompetent. Ordinarily, those would
be indicators that it's time to move out smartly to the nearest exits,
but he seems to offer an option that maybe remote-control drones
may still be the way to go. I'd add that dropping bales of money might
also continue to assuage matters. But, indeed, bring our troops home!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/15/opinion/15pape.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 AM on 10/15/2009
- TRex86 I'm a Fan of TRex86 152 fans permalink
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Doof, among the many stupid things we do in international affairs is make our outcome dependent on things over which we have no control. Now we're going to turn Afghanistan into a modern democratic nation that turns its back on the narco-economy and concentrates on growing millet for making gruel. It would be funny if it weren't so costly in blood and treasure. To waste our dedicated young soldiers on such a fool's errand is criminal.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 10/15/2009
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 24 fans permalink
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We went there on a revenge mission, fought with OBL & his people
until they left, and now the Pentagon feels compelled to go on fighting,
which is after all what they do, despite that OBL has left the premises.
Yes, indeed, this is a waste & a foolish waste of our resources.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 10/15/2009
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