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Afghan Fraud Report Leads To Standoff Between White House, Karzai

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First Posted: 10-19-09 03:36 PM   |   Updated: 10-19-09 03:44 PM

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guardian.co.uk:

The White House was engaged in a dangerous and unpredictable stand-off with the Afghanistan president Hamid Karzai today after a United Nations commission offered damning evidence of widespread fraud in the August election, increasing pressure for a second round of voting.

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The White House was engaged in a dangerous and unpredictable stand-off with the Afghanistan president Hamid Karzai today after a United Nations commission offered damning evidence of widespread fraud ...
The White House was engaged in a dangerous and unpredictable stand-off with the Afghanistan president Hamid Karzai today after a United Nations commission offered damning evidence of widespread fraud ...
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Why is it ..that the International pressure ....ecc or iec even cares if Afghn fraud had taken place...BUT
WHY ...not in.... IRAN 'S ELECTIONS ??......... &.. IN ALL THE ...CHASO .....that went on.. !
....as if the world ....so called leaders didn't skip a beat..... ! shameful ! ....now they ....care....about election's in AFGHN..... !.. ? .....WHAT COURSE OF .. (election's )..EVENTS ARE MORE...IMPORTANT ?
.........what is the true message being put forward by the ..U.N. ??..... I gleem only this.....I­F.....YOUR
IRANIAN GOVT.........you can ...forget about any ....international pressure of any kind.... ?on any..thing.. !

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 10/20/2009

Interesting how John Kerry and Oshama has convinced these sheeple here that Pakistanies are the good guys and Karzai who is fighting the Talibanies is bad.

ROFLMAO!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 10/20/2009

ERIC MARGOLIS of HP is a Pakistani ISI tool!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 10/20/2009

Karzai is not letting Obama hand over Afghanistan to the Pakistani Talibanies.

Good for him to stand up to this surrender m0nkey.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 10/20/2009
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Chaosistan keeps sounding better and better to me...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 10/20/2009
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Come on, Mr. President, let's not do any more nation building. If Karzai wants his dictatorship, let him have it and let's get the _hell out of there. Then let's see if the despot can hang on to power.

We have been duped by other dictators, who hid behind democracy claims, like Marcos. When are we going to learn? How much more are we going to spend when Americans need the funds more.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 10/19/2009
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I agree..though we do not like our installed puppet going rogue on us and surround himself in a sea of corruption, if we try to push too much, the Afghanis will see us as trying to dictate their sovereignty, which, in light of our less than favorable support among the average Afghani, means that we need to tread lightly...this is the box Obama has unfortunately been put into...no thanks to Bush, of course.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 10/20/2009
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You can not build a nation unless the citizens want to build it. And you certainly can't build one with troops and guns.

It's long past time to get the hell out and let them slide back into the 16th century. They seem to be comfortable there.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 AM on 10/20/2009
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Too bad our allies didn't have a stand off with us over the fraudulent Bush election.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 10/19/2009
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Maybe because they knew it was none of their business...it was up to Americans to have spoken up against Bush more forcefully than many of us did...the ones who really blew it were Gore and Kerry.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 10/20/2009
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We shouldn't waste anymore time, money and blood in that country as far as I'm concerned.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 10/19/2009
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Recent Intelligence Squared US debate 'Can The US Succeed in Afghanistan, Pakisan?": http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113735039

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 10/19/2009
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History has shown that conventional Western warfare does not work in Afghanistan. And so long as Karzai's own people regard him as corrupt, we will only be regarded as his protectors.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 10/19/2009
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Very true...that is why disengaging there is not only the wisest strategy, but now the only one...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 10/20/2009
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taxpayer dollars working hard. troops fighting for what. time to come home !

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 10/19/2009
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F@#% him a nd his results.

I have been conducting my own survey of those retired military and the results are in-no matter what we do, no matter what gov't is propped up, no matter how much money, blood, and bodies spent-wasting our time with these folks-arm those who want to fight their brothers in the Taliban/Qu­eda-leave-­prepare to kick their asses from above if they ever leave their play ground.

3 plus billion a month? For what?

We need to concern ourselves with our own elections, infrastructure, homeless, workers, health care, elderly, disabled, nuclear waste, and be done with their mess.

Enough, bye, see you, f@% this, later.....­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 10/19/2009

Why leave the flower of our forces along the roadsides, winnowed by IEDs, just to support a cheating regime?

Things never turn out well for regimes that have to cheat at the polls. Look at how badly things went in the US over the last 8 years.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 10/19/2009
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Agreed...no need to prop up this crooked puppet any longer...remember, that didn't work out too well in Vietnam either, did it?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 10/20/2009
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playing poker with a man who is giving obama the bird

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 10/19/2009
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Yes, he's telling Obama to shove it up his a--...and Obama is being all gentlemanly, as usual...this is one time where he needs to call this little shi-t's bluff...you eff up, we are outta there...fend for yourselves...we're done!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 10/20/2009
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From the Guardian article:

"The Electoral Complaints Commission found that almost one in three of Karzai's votes would have to be disqualified, cutting his total votes by 954,526, reducing his share of the vote from 55% to 48.3%"

I can't think of any mathematical process by which an 'almost' 33% disqualification can result in a 6.7% drop.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 10/19/2009
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If 24.1% of all votes were invalid, and 33.3% of Karzai's votes in particular were invalid, then Karzai would drop from 55% of the vote to 48.3% of the vote:

k = .55v (Karzai won 55% of the original vote)
k' = .667k (Karzai's recounted votes were 2/3 of his original vote; 1/3 was thrown out)
v' = .759v (total recounted votes are 75.9% of original vote; 24.1% of all votes were thrown out)

x' = .667 * .55v
x' = .667 * .55 * v' / .759 = .483 v'

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 10/19/2009
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...you forgot this in your formula: afghanista­npetroleum­.com ...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 10/19/2009
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