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There and Back Again, Day 4 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey

How does Peter Jackson's prequel fare next to The Lord of the Rings? RT's editors weigh in with their responses in the final instalment of our watching series..



So, did everyone see The Hobbit at the weekend? Our editors caught a screening of Peter Jackson's hugely-anticipated return to Middle-earth last week -- in the director's preferred 3D, 48-frames-per-second digital format -- and now, without further ado, weigh in with their reactions to the movie. What did you think?

Luke: Thinking about the much-debated visual style of this movie, I can't keep from hearing the immortal post-guitar-freakout words of one Marty McFly: "I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet... but your kids are gonna love it." Yeah, I had very conflicted feelings toward The Hobbit. Like those '50s squares puzzled by McFly's discordant futurism, I simply could not grapple with the look of this. Let me rephrase that: I think it looked horrifying. We all went to a screening in 3D 48fps, so I was prepared for some ocular recalibration, but nothing could ready me for just how jarring this looked. The Hobbit's clarity is astonishing. Too much so, in fact. While many of Weta's effects sequences looked outstanding, I felt like I was right there on set with the actors, which might be the kind of detail Peter Jackson was aiming for but, for me, just rendered everything too empty and everyday. I kept looking for boom mics or waiting for a make-up artist to roll up and touch up Gandalf. Call me a cinephile snob, but if I want high detail I'll take 70mm. The other issue visually was the weird jerkiness of the high frame rate. Admittedly, my eyes may not have evolved -- and, like the races of men in Middle-earth, my kind may soon be extinct -- but I had trouble dealing with the staccato movements of the actors. In even the most mundane situations, like Bilbo and Gandalf taking tea, motion looked strange, as though someone had left the "2x fast forward" speed button on the Blu-ray player. It was kinda embarrassing to watch. I'm not sure human vision is equipped for this. Yet.

Tim: I love the following things, in no particular order: cinema, video games, and BBC series. However, The Hobbit taught me an important lesson: I don't like it when my movies look alternately like video games and/or BBC series. There were moments in the film where I wasn't sure whether I was watching the making-of featurette or a cut scene (for a millisecond after Gandalf showed up to rescue the dwarves from the Great Goblin, my brain instinctively steeled itself for an intense boss battle). I really don't want to sound like the guy who walked out of The Jazz Singer and griped, "This talking picture business will kill the cinema!" (Presumably, such a sentiment would be pronounced in an old-timey mid-Atlantic accent.) But while 48fps may be the future of movies, it really doesn't feel like the present of movies.

That said, I still found The Hobbit to be a pretty involving yarn; story-wise, it's a cut below the original trilogy, but I didn't think it was the draggy mess that some people did. The set pieces are thrilling and vivid as always; I particularly liked the campfire scene with the oafish trolls, and the escape from the underground goblin lair is propulsive and tense. Plus, Gollum remains a marvel CGI technology -- name another digital creation that inspires as much revulsion and pathos. Overall, I thought The Hobbit was solid, but again, a word of advice: if you're planning on seeing it and you have all the time in the world, I recommend watching it in 24fps, and then going back to see it in 48fps to compare and contrast.

Ryan: I will agree that the visual style was too aggressive for my taste. I suspect that Jackson's aim was to draw the audience further into the picture, to make the experience more immersive, but it had the exact opposite effect on me. I don't like being reminded that I'm watching a movie, but it was hard not to feel that way when I found myself thinking, "Whoa, that looked bizarre" at regular intervals throughout the film. That said, I still don't think I hated it as much as you two did; every once in a while, just for kicks, I'll watch a movie at home with that motion-smoothing effect turned on, so I was somewhat prepared for it here, even if the final product did sort of look like an extended video game cut scene.

What's interesting for me is that, on paper, the film had a lot of narrative problems, but I still rather enjoyed it despite these problems, and despite the visual distractions. The whole movie is essentially one long chase sequence, with short breaks for some necessary exposition here and there, and chase movies tend to bore me. Bilbo and friends would escape narrowly from one life-threatening catastrophe only to find themselves in some other gargantuan peril, over and over and over again. What's more, each time it seemed they were helplessly screwed, Gandalf would appear and save the day. Whether threatened by mountain trolls, orcs in hot pursuit, or underground goblins, never fear, for Gandalf will appear. And you know, he did this a couple times in the LotR series, as well -- I'm starting to think Gandalf is just a stand-in for God, and he simply lets everyone get into trouble so they can learn valuable lessons from the experience. I don't know how much of this was in the book (I'm speaking from a novice's perspective again), but these are all things that would have bugged the hell out of me in any other movie. The bottom line is, though The Hobbit doesn't quite capture the same sense of majesty and epic wonder as the LotR did, it was still an entertaining little romp that somehow convinced me to put aside my storytelling pet peeves and go with the flow.

Luke: Right. Well in terms of the story, my major concern going into this, really, was the potential for bloating Tolkien's perfect little adventure yarn -- and, at least on this count, I was somewhat relieved. The Hobbit's epic dwarves-and-dragon prologue felt unnecessary (as did the Frodo and older Bilbo framing device), but I get why they're there: when you've fed audiences The Lord of the Rings, they're gonna demand something equal in scope. It's wrong for The Hobbit (I still wish it was a Guillermo-helmed single film) but it doesn't do fatal disservice. Despite these and other diversions (the portents of Sauron, etc.), I found that once the movie settled into the groove of the actual story it was pretty faithful -- and at times, really entertaining. Martin Freeman was a sound Bilbo Baggins, Andy Serkis was as good as he ever was, and the storytelling -- at least in the back stretch -- was well done. By the time the eagles arrive amid the final skirmish with the white Orc, I felt like I was at last deep in the real Hobbit again -- and actually couldn't wait for them to get on with the rest of it. But it still feels like a long way to The Lonely Mountain. And yeah, we gotta get there in high definition digital. But my corneal transplant should come through by this time 2013.


Comments

Jane D.

Jane Doe

I gotta agree, unfortunately... This is how I felt when I saw it:

"Just got back from the 3D HFR screening of the Hobbit. I am disappointed to be frank. I really wanted to give Peter Jackson the benefit of doubt with the new 3D HFR technology but I can't... The tech just didn't help the story at all. I could never escape the feeling that I'm watching an over-produced soap opera on a HDTV; or I'm playing a computer game on a super high-resolution monitor. Yeah, everything was crisp and sharp, the action scenes were superb in 48fps, definitely without headache inducing motion sickness so common in 24fps 3D movies... I just don't know, I really wanted to like it, but the 'hyper-realism' of the movie destroyed the 'fantasy' of the Middle Earth. I will go see it again, this time in plain 2D and see if I'll change my opinion... And yes, it was a little too long in story and sloppy in editing, it could easily be compressed into 2 hours."

Dec 17 - 05:40 PM

Jacob Crites

Jacob Crites

I wouldn't say it could "easily" be compressed into 2 hours. Some of the minor adventures were really fun. The only really overlong, unnecessary part was the boring council meeting in Rivendale. I'm not sure what that scene accomplished in 12 minutes that it couldn't have accomplished in 2.

Dec 17 - 08:02 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

I also saw it in HFR 3D. When the screen has just changed its format I was confused as well. I saw the Warner Bros. logo going at a much faster speed then normal. I didn't get sick its just it felt strange. I saw Bilbo Baggings moving as if he was running (he was supposed to be walking). I thought it was neat and cool and very clear but it went way too fast and the computer generated and special effects made everything look so cheap that you could see that its fake. The Hobbit its self is great but the 48fps was not as great as I was expecting. Maybe I'll wait and see what James Cameron does with his Avatar sequels being filmed in HFR.

Dec 17 - 08:24 PM

Matthew Kelly

Matthew Kelly

I wish they could have done some kind of mixed-shot HFR cut. I thought it looked great - or at least didn't look distracting - whenever the camera was pulled back a decent distance from the action but as soon as anything started happening close-up it felt really jarring, and going back and forth between the two starting making my brain hurt a bit.

Dec 17 - 08:43 PM

Mr.BobbyBoucher Water Boy

The Return of the Waterboy Jerry Benedict

I really wonder: Can one simply walk into Mordor? I mean Frodo can do it.

Dec 17 - 06:22 PM

Premo Beat

John Noto

It is folly.

Dec 18 - 08:45 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

The few comments on the plot were for the most part how I felt. I saw it in 24 fps. Gotta say though even I'm getting tired of people talking about the 48fps.

Dec 17 - 07:03 PM

Steve Buchanan

Steve Buchanan

I'm not sure if I can ever get used to 48 FPS. I also found myself being taken in and out of the viewing experience. It was very jarring. Visuals aside I was pleasantly surprised by the movie, gonna see it again in 24 FPS.

Dec 17 - 07:06 PM

Jacob Crites

Jacob Crites

I totally agree about all the opinions on 48fps. It just took me right out of the movie. Thankfully I saw it a couple days later in good old 24fps, and I was able to appreciate the film itself.

The film is wonderful; if there is a step down in quality in the previous films, it is a small one. The main thing is that the tone is different, but it's the sort of tone I wished the original TLOTR trilogy had more of: a more lighthearted, spirited adventure with bits of darkness, and not the other way around.

The Riddle scene is probably my favorite scene in all four Tolkien movies. Had Jackson cut the awkward scene toward the beginning with Frodo and Old Bilbo, and shaved off a bit of the overlong council meeting with Gandalf and the old folks, I'd call it the best of the bunch. But having just watched all films in the past couple weeks, An Unexpected Journey truly isn't any more digressive or inconsistently paced than ROTK or The Two Towers.

Dec 17 - 08:00 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

Yea, I'm going to see the next two parts in plain old 24fps.

Dec 17 - 08:25 PM

Eddie Baty

Eddie Baty

I saw it in 48fps 3D. I guess I'm one of the few who actually really enjoyed it in the intended format.

Dec 17 - 09:08 PM

Bernhardina Hörnstein

Bernhardina Hörnstein

I did too! Thought it looked great, I have no idea what the fuzz is all about xS

Dec 18 - 12:22 PM

Julio de Oliveira

Julio de Oliveira

Except for those weird moments in which motion seemed to be fast forwarded (most of the ones I spotted were on close-ups), I have to say I like it too. And I was positively shocked with the depth of the 3D. The rock giants scene was breath-taking to me.

Dec 18 - 03:04 PM

Darren Anderson

Darren Anderson

Im one of the few and I enjoyed it. Enjoyed the story and format and intend on seeing the next two in 48fps. If im honest I enjoyed The Hobbit more so than TDKR and on par with The Avengers.

Dec 18 - 08:18 PM

Justin Buell

Justin Buell

Saw it twice (once in 2D, then in 3D). Still have yet to see it in 48fps.

I can say, after a second viewing, it is on par with LOTR. Absolutely loved it.

Doesn't deserve the criticism it's been getting. Not one bit.

Dec 17 - 09:27 PM

Alan Ventura

Alan Ventura

I personally thought they could have done the movie well without the intro with Bilbo and Frodo, it was not necessary. The Hobbit was all about Bilbo hence the reason. Another thing I hope that Smaug looks a bit more like the dragon from "Dragonheart" although the movie showed very little of how he will most likely look, all I thought when I saw the glimpses was the image of the dragon from Shrek. . . . . and I agree that the movie should have been a little more shorter and I know I may sound a bit like I'm contradicting myself when I say this that although the movie would have been better if they trimmed off some minutes they should have given more screen time for some of the other dwarves and that Radagast shouldn't have had that much screen time for he was only mentioned very little in the book. overall since the book will be split into 3 movies I can't really say much about this first installment, but enjoyed it very much with my little daughter, she especially loved it when Gollum appeared. hehehe

Dec 17 - 11:14 PM

David S.

David Stanley

I think those that did not enjoy the movie are mostly people who saw it in 48fps. Those like myself that have seen it in 24fps really enjoyed it. In fact, I loved it - perhaps even more than The Lord of the Rings films.

Dec 18 - 06:09 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

FYI, saw it in 24fps 3D, liked it, but not nearly as well as LOTR's. I wish people would stop trying to speak for everyone else and rationalize other people's opinions. There's no need to feel sorry for us, we just disagree. If you loved it that's great, but not everyone is going to. The movie got a 65% from critics and a 6.5 score from audiences. That's pretty consistant, I might have given it a bit higher than that, but the numbers don't lie. It probably was a good to very good movie that wasn't quite as appealing as it's predecessor's, but still has the potential to reach those heights as long as the director doesn't go Lucas on it and not listen to the feedback. That's my take on it.

Dec 18 - 03:36 PM

Bernhardina Hörnstein

Bernhardina Hörnstein

I saw it in high fram rate... and I thought it was amazing! Spectacular! I know most of you didn't like it and I feel so sorry for you :/

Dec 18 - 12:20 PM

Gamerdude

Steven Scott

I just hope that the others can be good as well!

Dec 18 - 01:04 PM

Shane Patterson

Shane Patterson

I think your all wrong. I enjoyed the hell out of it.

Dec 18 - 01:54 PM

Simo Cödémy II

Simo Cödémy II

the audience loved the hobbit so u can just kill ur selves

Dec 18 - 02:41 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Classy

Dec 18 - 07:38 PM

Brian Lorenzen

Brian Lorenzen

After the first, say, 40 minutes, I was no longer consistently distracted by the 48 fps. And by the middle of the film, involving the escape from the goblins, I actually think it completely elevated the quality and clarity of what was an insanely dense scene.

As for the storytelling, I was eating out of their hands from the opening scene. I was pleasantly surprised by he inclusion of Radagast and the beginnings of their involvement withe Necromancer. I'm in no position to review it objectively, as I walked out of this movie completely satisfied and delighted.

Dec 18 - 03:03 PM

Julio de Oliveira

Julio de Oliveira

At first I thought if was a matter of the film industry needing time to master the technology. Now I think it's more a matter of us needing time to get used to it.

Dec 18 - 03:07 PM

vyrpalmeris

Ryan Palmer

I saw it in 24 fps and after all the reviews I don't ever plan to see it in 48. It looked great and I am fine with it. I also thoroughly enjoyed the movie, imperfect as it was.

Dec 18 - 06:21 PM

Phillip K.

Phillip Kissell

I did sort of have a problem with the narrative, like Ryan said, it just felt like a series of perils without really feeling like one led to the other. But that was a problem I had with the book. But I really enjoyed it.

Now I saw it in 24 FPS once, and I really am curious about the 48. I've heard nothing but bad things about it, but I'm curious and I want to see for myself.

Dec 18 - 06:49 PM

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