"There should be no issue with the manufacturer validating the hardware/firmware are factory level and wiping and imaging the machines."
I can imagine that in order to ensure the machines operate according to incredibly paranoid parameters it's not just a factory reset needed. They need new certificate keys, brand-new validation, error-checking by trusted third-party experts, etc. The whole shebang.
Which, when all it's said and done, probably means the cost of a full replacement is about on par with trying to fix the broken one and needs a lot less paperwork.
"Isn't it possible that Democrat operatives messed with the machines so that they couldn't be audited?"
The brief explanation? No. It's not possible. Full stop. For a longer explanation I invite you to read up on cryptographic verification. That idea is so implausible that it's on par with the idea that democrats used their Jedi powers to mind control the voters én másse.
And I'm sure at the time of writing Alex Jones and the Qanon Shaman are trying to fit that angle into their narrative of the Gay Frog conspiracy and the army of Shadow Queer Ninjas getting trucked all over the nation just to fsck shit up for the new confederacy.
"Keep in mind that the Maricopa elections officials were doing some very suspicious things with the vote count."
They didn't, because if they did and anyone could say they did in front of a judge then there would be an official inquiry. That assertion is just you standing in a sunny day in fscking death valley and arguing how much the damage of the current cold snap will cost.
"No evidence of fraud was heard by any court."
Bullshit. There were a dozen court hearings where republicans were invited to lay out their evidence of fraud. Had there been any single indication of fraud it would have sufficed. Yet every last GOP lawyer shut up in front of the judge because what they kept claiming on social media would be considered perjury in a courtroom.
Your liars got caught pants down and forced to make a statement in a forum where lying would hurt them. And clamped up.
"All court rulings were based on pleadings from Democrat attorneys concerning process and time."
That's what happens when a bunch of man-children show up in a courtroom about an election they consider rigged based on nothing but an anonymous post-it note and a conspiracy theory from Stormfront about Antifa magically rewriting the ballots using jewish space lasers.
I can in a similar vein claim that the 30% of the american citizenry who voted for Trump are mind-controlled clones of Hitler...with the exact same amount of evidence to show for that which the GOP's claims about the rigged election had.
Face facts. Your boy didn't lose because of some vast conspiracy of global super-powered liberals with magic wands and space lasers copperfielding all the ballots with Trump's name on them. He lost because the vast majority of the american citizenry are not on board with racism, nazism, white supremacy or Being Fscking Douchebags In General.
By his own admission Tero bloody pulkinnen is mainly around here to troll people and isn't even very good at it. The only reason you can call him semi-coherent is because your bar of standards is by now so low the fact that his sentences, taken on their own, can parse at all stands out as a massive upgrade from the likes of old Baghdad Bob.
Then you look at any three comments of his, back to back, and find that sure enough, he's contradicting himself and positing impossibles.
It's just that Baghdad Bob manages that same contradiction whenever he puts three words together.
Ah, the origin of the "Yellow peril" in the american consciousness?
I'm dubious. I mean, that war lasted from 1927 to 1951 so it covered a lot of ground. Around that time FDR and Truman managed to alienate all the racists up until then staunchly democrat, turning the democratic party into one not primarily beholden to the idea that human worth was color-coded.
Left on its own that would just have resulted in the racists sitting in their "Dixiecrat" party and hollering about black men coming for their women.
The southern Strategy was when the republican party, a few years later under Goldwater and Nixon in the 60's and 70's, decided to cater to all these disillusioned former democrats pining for the good old days of when the KKK were recognized in politics.
And that's also the turning point when the "Party of Lincoln" started becoming the "Party of Nathan Bedford Forrest and Robert E. Lee".
"You say metaphorically, but it would not surprise me in the slightest to learn that this is how he's actually posting."
You know what's sad? I can't disagree. Not after reading ten years worth of Baghdad Bob consistently proving cognitive ability so bad you couldn't trust him to tell the difference between a toilet and a dinner tray...
Most of the founding fathers of the USA come to mind.
If you ever had that great idea, the best thing since sliced bread was invented, and wanted to see that idea in circulation improving humanity (or on lesser scale, your job) immediately and choose to cautiously look at how that new idea will impact principles and processes worth preserving then you are to some extent at least, conservative.
Old-style republicans had some of that. The idea that factual reality and principles could constrain ideology.
Today a liberal conservative in the US would be a centrist-left democrat, if that helps.
"...but the fact is that shift has occurred, and stubbornly insisting that everybody's just using the word incorrectly is just conversation-derailing pedantry."
Shift is one thing. But I 'll bring to the table my argument that as a liberal conservative I'm a bit upset that the word "conservative" now has to do the heavy lifting for the concept of "maliciously deranged".
Most of the people using this word in the US today aren't talking about preserving values or principles. Or conservatism in general. Their agenda is to roll back society by a few centuries. A "shift" is when you argue at what point "grey" should be referred to as dark or light. Not which shade of pink it should refer to.
The only reason these people keep calling themselves "conservatives" any longer is for the same reason grifters and con artists through the ages are keen to refer to themselves as "entrepreneurs". Because more accurate terminology would give away the game.
So no. Let's not refer to the alt-right as conservatives.
"The problem is that they put the rest of us at risk and get us restricted because they couldn't be adults for a couple of weeks."
I have come to the rather sad conclusion that at least in the US part of good mental hygiene has to be to work towards an idiot-free environment as a result. Ideally speaking that would mean bringing up standards of basic education but that solution's going to be too late for this generation which is currently at risk of Death By Stupid.
"The other will expect you to be in your seat at 8am sharp, preferably before, not take longer than 30 minutes for any break (which will be mandated at a certain time) and you'll be judged as lazy if you only complete your 8 hours with no overtime (unpaid, of course) even if you've exceeded your performance targets."
And despite this having been pointed out and parodied in everything from scientific studies, to comics and to games there are still workplaces around who believe that the sky will fall if the job revolves around flexibility, because you can't trust the people you pay money to do a job to actually do their job unless monitored.
I still recall finding, in Fallout 4, an old terminal where management had issued a stern warning about people wasting too much time on the toilet, hence a mechanism had been installed which would log the weight contents in the bowl after a visit and correlate it with the time spent sitting to see whether there administrative actions had to be taken.
"Remote working is not for everyone and I do know some people who are eager to return to "normal". But, for some people it's a way better option"
Not to mention that hybrid solutions exist. If my work currently revolves around contracts then the time I actually need to spend in the office is restricted to when i really need a dual monitor to work or physical access to a hardcopy of a document.
The main bottleneck here is bandwidth and stable linkage. But to be fair that issue remains the same no matter where you work from, because when the intranet is down the pentry gets crowded.
"Management would rather poke their eyes out with ice picks than do more Zoom."
This is true in the company I work for as well. It's just that our management apparently consists of mature individuals who came to the conclusion of "Huh. This seems to be an 'us' problem" and found a way to deal with it.
But YMMV. Some companies don't have a culture which relies on staff being independently useful outside of the cubicle farm and those companies do have a problem now.
Yes, well, what can we say. Trump only hired the best people. It's not his fault all the best people happened to be compulsive liars, poisoners, serial adulterers, white supremacists and open fascists.
"strange that the government itself would feel the need to make that reminder"
It's India. It wasn't named the most corrupt country in Asia for nothing.
The weird part is that in ancient times, or as late as the 16th and 17th century, India was renowned among its neighbors as an ordered state holding honesty and virtue in high regard. Something must have happened between those times and the early 20th century to start india's slide into the festering cesspool or bribery and thin-skinned thuggery it is now.
Probably the same thing which happened to the Middle East. Some mustachioed gentleman drew a line on a map and said in flawless oxfordian english "There. Now learn to live with it. And get rid of all this superstitious claptrap and pagan traditions".
"You're exaggerating, Steve. I don't recall anyone actually going so far as to outlaw the choice."
It has been outlawed for most of US history, in most of US states. So are you being disingenious or just very badly read up on history?
"And tell me, if forcing acceptance of a lifestyle upon society is wrong in one direction (to say that LG etc. is wrong), then that same thing should be wrong in the other direction as well (forcing society to accept that it's right)."
Try to parse that sentence of yours for logic. The question on the quiz will be "You know how we can tell you're a bigot, bro?"
If you can't understand something as simple as that your rights end where another person's rights begin then maybe the US isn't really the place you want to live in. Try Russia instead.
Feel free to not like gay people. That's your constitutional rights right there. You don't need to invite them to your BBQ, you don't need to invite them to your home, you can ask them to get the hell out of your property. You can start a social platform and ban them from there.
You don't get to ask for government support of your opinion. You don't get to ask others to make the same judgment you do. If you voice your opinion where other people can hear it be advised they are equally free to ban you from their BBQ's, homes, or social platforms. And here's the thing; most people will. Because the majority of people today do support the idea that whether someone is gay or not is not their business.
The only thing "forced" on you is the realization that if you think of a minority as garbage then the majority of people think of you as garbage.
That's the alt-right's butthurt in a nutshell. For which they immediately ran off crying for Big Government to come and protect them like the entitled fscking snowflakes they are.
"It's more of an "All politicians are stupid" argument of the likes that you'd see from South Park or some late-night talk show from decades past."
Perhaps because, bluntly put, it's that bad.
Republicans have gone the full nine yards of outright deranged, scraping the bottom of the barrel for new ways to implement shameless grifting. They claim their party, invested as it is in only guns, religion, anti-choice and racism, is a big tent - and they're sort of right; It's a cirkus tent with only clowns in the ring.
Democrats are simply venal, dishonest, and lazy. They've shied away from conflict, mortally afraid to make a stand, always eager to compromise and bargain with people who'd light a cross on a black man's lawn - or set that man himself on fire - if it meant a few extra votes. They have taught the republicans that whining helps. No line in the sand uncrossed as long as they can stand up and claim they sought bipartisanship with people who in 1940 would have been on Hitler's shortlist for cabinet positions.
In the US of today all politicians have indeed been stupid and most continue to be. Until the dems stop being cowardly morons that is what factual reality looks like.
To paraphrase Bill Maher ; "Where are OUR potty mouths?".
When the hell are democrats going to stop calling the likes of Hawley, Cruz and McConnell in for debate they know damn well the other side won't approach in Good Faith this time either?
"That there are limits of “free speech”? Try telling us something we don’t know."
No, just that as is typical for Baghdad Bob's low-grade bullshit that even when he can be arsed to produce a wordwall of nonsense to build around his "argument" all he ends up saying "Context and nuance does not exist".
If this argument was about the right of self-defense he'd be arguing that since you're allowed to kill people he should get off scot free if he shot people from on top of a water tower.
"Normally, I’d ask you to gather all seven Dragon Balls..."
Wait, one has to either locate 3,5 mythical beasts and cut their nads off or spend fifty episodes getting to every fight big enough for one to show up before you can appear?
No wonder dragons are extinct and the dragonball series has gone on forever...
Re: Really?!
"There should be no issue with the manufacturer validating the hardware/firmware are factory level and wiping and imaging the machines."
I can imagine that in order to ensure the machines operate according to incredibly paranoid parameters it's not just a factory reset needed. They need new certificate keys, brand-new validation, error-checking by trusted third-party experts, etc. The whole shebang.
Which, when all it's said and done, probably means the cost of a full replacement is about on par with trying to fix the broken one and needs a lot less paperwork.
I'm not surprised, really.
Re:
"Isn't it possible that Democrat operatives messed with the machines so that they couldn't be audited?"
The brief explanation? No. It's not possible. Full stop. For a longer explanation I invite you to read up on cryptographic verification. That idea is so implausible that it's on par with the idea that democrats used their Jedi powers to mind control the voters én másse.
And I'm sure at the time of writing Alex Jones and the Qanon Shaman are trying to fit that angle into their narrative of the Gay Frog conspiracy and the army of Shadow Queer Ninjas getting trucked all over the nation just to fsck shit up for the new confederacy.
"Keep in mind that the Maricopa elections officials were doing some very suspicious things with the vote count."
They didn't, because if they did and anyone could say they did in front of a judge then there would be an official inquiry. That assertion is just you standing in a sunny day in fscking death valley and arguing how much the damage of the current cold snap will cost.
"No evidence of fraud was heard by any court."
Bullshit. There were a dozen court hearings where republicans were invited to lay out their evidence of fraud. Had there been any single indication of fraud it would have sufficed. Yet every last GOP lawyer shut up in front of the judge because what they kept claiming on social media would be considered perjury in a courtroom.
Your liars got caught pants down and forced to make a statement in a forum where lying would hurt them. And clamped up.
"All court rulings were based on pleadings from Democrat attorneys concerning process and time."
That's what happens when a bunch of man-children show up in a courtroom about an election they consider rigged based on nothing but an anonymous post-it note and a conspiracy theory from Stormfront about Antifa magically rewriting the ballots using jewish space lasers.
I can in a similar vein claim that the 30% of the american citizenry who voted for Trump are mind-controlled clones of Hitler...with the exact same amount of evidence to show for that which the GOP's claims about the rigged election had.
Face facts. Your boy didn't lose because of some vast conspiracy of global super-powered liberals with magic wands and space lasers copperfielding all the ballots with Trump's name on them. He lost because the vast majority of the american citizenry are not on board with racism, nazism, white supremacy or Being Fscking Douchebags In General.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
"I said semi-coherent, not based in reality."
By his own admission Tero bloody pulkinnen is mainly around here to troll people and isn't even very good at it. The only reason you can call him semi-coherent is because your bar of standards is by now so low the fact that his sentences, taken on their own, can parse at all stands out as a massive upgrade from the likes of old Baghdad Bob.
Then you look at any three comments of his, back to back, and find that sure enough, he's contradicting himself and positing impossibles.
It's just that Baghdad Bob manages that same contradiction whenever he puts three words together.
Re: Re: Re: 'Conflict of interest? Never heard of it'
Ah, the origin of the "Yellow peril" in the american consciousness?
I'm dubious. I mean, that war lasted from 1927 to 1951 so it covered a lot of ground. Around that time FDR and Truman managed to alienate all the racists up until then staunchly democrat, turning the democratic party into one not primarily beholden to the idea that human worth was color-coded.
Left on its own that would just have resulted in the racists sitting in their "Dixiecrat" party and hollering about black men coming for their women.
The southern Strategy was when the republican party, a few years later under Goldwater and Nixon in the 60's and 70's, decided to cater to all these disillusioned former democrats pining for the good old days of when the KKK were recognized in politics.
And that's also the turning point when the "Party of Lincoln" started becoming the "Party of Nathan Bedford Forrest and Robert E. Lee".
Re: Re: Re: Burden of proof is on "officials".
"You say metaphorically, but it would not surprise me in the slightest to learn that this is how he's actually posting."
You know what's sad? I can't disagree. Not after reading ten years worth of Baghdad Bob consistently proving cognitive ability so bad you couldn't trust him to tell the difference between a toilet and a dinner tray...
Re: Re: Re: If you can't win an honest game rig it until you do.
"What's a liberal conservative?"
Most of the founding fathers of the USA come to mind.
If you ever had that great idea, the best thing since sliced bread was invented, and wanted to see that idea in circulation improving humanity (or on lesser scale, your job) immediately and choose to cautiously look at how that new idea will impact principles and processes worth preserving then you are to some extent at least, conservative.
Old-style republicans had some of that. The idea that factual reality and principles could constrain ideology.
Today a liberal conservative in the US would be a centrist-left democrat, if that helps.
Re: Re: Re: Re: If you can't win an honest game rig it until you
"...but the fact is that shift has occurred, and stubbornly insisting that everybody's just using the word incorrectly is just conversation-derailing pedantry."
Shift is one thing. But I 'll bring to the table my argument that as a liberal conservative I'm a bit upset that the word "conservative" now has to do the heavy lifting for the concept of "maliciously deranged".
Most of the people using this word in the US today aren't talking about preserving values or principles. Or conservatism in general. Their agenda is to roll back society by a few centuries. A "shift" is when you argue at what point "grey" should be referred to as dark or light. Not which shade of pink it should refer to.
The only reason these people keep calling themselves "conservatives" any longer is for the same reason grifters and con artists through the ages are keen to refer to themselves as "entrepreneurs". Because more accurate terminology would give away the game.
So no. Let's not refer to the alt-right as conservatives.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If you can't win an honest game rig
...and the above was me, by the way. Got logged out again without noticing...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If you can't win an honest game rig
"The problem is that they put the rest of us at risk and get us restricted because they couldn't be adults for a couple of weeks."
I have come to the rather sad conclusion that at least in the US part of good mental hygiene has to be to work towards an idiot-free environment as a result. Ideally speaking that would mean bringing up standards of basic education but that solution's going to be too late for this generation which is currently at risk of Death By Stupid.
Re: Re: ... Then why are they still on the payroll?
"The other will expect you to be in your seat at 8am sharp, preferably before, not take longer than 30 minutes for any break (which will be mandated at a certain time) and you'll be judged as lazy if you only complete your 8 hours with no overtime (unpaid, of course) even if you've exceeded your performance targets."
And despite this having been pointed out and parodied in everything from scientific studies, to comics and to games there are still workplaces around who believe that the sky will fall if the job revolves around flexibility, because you can't trust the people you pay money to do a job to actually do their job unless monitored.
I still recall finding, in Fallout 4, an old terminal where management had issued a stern warning about people wasting too much time on the toilet, hence a mechanism had been installed which would log the weight contents in the bowl after a visit and correlate it with the time spent sitting to see whether there administrative actions had to be taken.
"Remote working is not for everyone and I do know some people who are eager to return to "normal". But, for some people it's a way better option"
Not to mention that hybrid solutions exist. If my work currently revolves around contracts then the time I actually need to spend in the office is restricted to when i really need a dual monitor to work or physical access to a hardcopy of a document.
The main bottleneck here is bandwidth and stable linkage. But to be fair that issue remains the same no matter where you work from, because when the intranet is down the pentry gets crowded.
Re: What managers want to avoid: Zoom meetings
"Management would rather poke their eyes out with ice picks than do more Zoom."
This is true in the company I work for as well. It's just that our management apparently consists of mature individuals who came to the conclusion of "Huh. This seems to be an 'us' problem" and found a way to deal with it.
But YMMV. Some companies don't have a culture which relies on staff being independently useful outside of the cubicle farm and those companies do have a problem now.
Re: Telecom should pay...
"If there was no YouTube, Steam, etc. everyone could still get by with a dial-in modem."
You are either too young to remember 14,4k modems or you're still in denial and repression about those times.
Re:
Yes, well, what can we say. Trump only hired the best people. It's not his fault all the best people happened to be compulsive liars, poisoners, serial adulterers, white supremacists and open fascists.
Re: 'We're not tyrants, now hold still for your beating!'
"strange that the government itself would feel the need to make that reminder"
It's India. It wasn't named the most corrupt country in Asia for nothing.
The weird part is that in ancient times, or as late as the 16th and 17th century, India was renowned among its neighbors as an ordered state holding honesty and virtue in high regard. Something must have happened between those times and the early 20th century to start india's slide into the festering cesspool or bribery and thin-skinned thuggery it is now.
Probably the same thing which happened to the Middle East. Some mustachioed gentleman drew a line on a map and said in flawless oxfordian english "There. Now learn to live with it. And get rid of all this superstitious claptrap and pagan traditions".
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If you can't win an honest game rig it until
Sadly the Darwin awards issued to the anti-vaxxers comes at the expense of the lives of saner people.
Re: Re:
"You're exaggerating, Steve. I don't recall anyone actually going so far as to outlaw the choice."
It has been outlawed for most of US history, in most of US states. So are you being disingenious or just very badly read up on history?
"And tell me, if forcing acceptance of a lifestyle upon society is wrong in one direction (to say that LG etc. is wrong), then that same thing should be wrong in the other direction as well (forcing society to accept that it's right)."
Try to parse that sentence of yours for logic. The question on the quiz will be "You know how we can tell you're a bigot, bro?"
If you can't understand something as simple as that your rights end where another person's rights begin then maybe the US isn't really the place you want to live in. Try Russia instead.
Feel free to not like gay people. That's your constitutional rights right there. You don't need to invite them to your BBQ, you don't need to invite them to your home, you can ask them to get the hell out of your property. You can start a social platform and ban them from there.
You don't get to ask for government support of your opinion. You don't get to ask others to make the same judgment you do. If you voice your opinion where other people can hear it be advised they are equally free to ban you from their BBQ's, homes, or social platforms. And here's the thing; most people will. Because the majority of people today do support the idea that whether someone is gay or not is not their business.
The only thing "forced" on you is the realization that if you think of a minority as garbage then the majority of people think of you as garbage.
That's the alt-right's butthurt in a nutshell. For which they immediately ran off crying for Big Government to come and protect them like the entitled fscking snowflakes they are.
Re: Re:
"It's more of an "All politicians are stupid" argument of the likes that you'd see from South Park or some late-night talk show from decades past."
Perhaps because, bluntly put, it's that bad.
Republicans have gone the full nine yards of outright deranged, scraping the bottom of the barrel for new ways to implement shameless grifting. They claim their party, invested as it is in only guns, religion, anti-choice and racism, is a big tent - and they're sort of right; It's a cirkus tent with only clowns in the ring.
Democrats are simply venal, dishonest, and lazy. They've shied away from conflict, mortally afraid to make a stand, always eager to compromise and bargain with people who'd light a cross on a black man's lawn - or set that man himself on fire - if it meant a few extra votes. They have taught the republicans that whining helps. No line in the sand uncrossed as long as they can stand up and claim they sought bipartisanship with people who in 1940 would have been on Hitler's shortlist for cabinet positions.
In the US of today all politicians have indeed been stupid and most continue to be. Until the dems stop being cowardly morons that is what factual reality looks like.
To paraphrase Bill Maher ; "Where are OUR potty mouths?".
When the hell are democrats going to stop calling the likes of Hawley, Cruz and McConnell in for debate they know damn well the other side won't approach in Good Faith this time either?
Re:
"That there are limits of “free speech”? Try telling us something we don’t know."
No, just that as is typical for Baghdad Bob's low-grade bullshit that even when he can be arsed to produce a wordwall of nonsense to build around his "argument" all he ends up saying "Context and nuance does not exist".
If this argument was about the right of self-defense he'd be arguing that since you're allowed to kill people he should get off scot free if he shot people from on top of a water tower.
Re:
"Normally, I’d ask you to gather all seven Dragon Balls..."
Wait, one has to either locate 3,5 mythical beasts and cut their nads off or spend fifty episodes getting to every fight big enough for one to show up before you can appear?
No wonder dragons are extinct and the dragonball series has gone on forever...
Re: Re: charges the Arizona GOP
"I also wondered why the FRauditors weren't on the hook for the cost."
Either because the AZ administration has no legal game or they're still writing up the costs.
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