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Here is one thing I can write with an unusual degree of certainty and confidence: Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin would not have been charged with the (third-degree) murder of George Floyd had the United States not been teetering on a knife edge of open revolt.
Had demonstrators not turned out in massive numbers on the streets and refused to be corralled back home by the threat of police violence, the US legal system would have simply turned a blind eye to Chauvin’s act of extreme brutality, as it has done before over countless similar acts.
Without the mass protests, it would have made no difference that Floyd’s murder was caught on camera, that it was predicted by Floyd himself in his cries of “I can’t breathe” as Chauvin spent nearly nine minutes pressing his knee to Floyd’s neck, or that the outcome was obvious to spectators who expressed their growing alarm as Floyd lost consciousness. At most, Chauvin would have had to face, as he had many times before, an ineffectual disciplinary investigation over “misconduct”.
Without the current ferocious mood of anger directed at the police and sweeping much of the nation, Chauvin would have found himself as immune from accountability and prosecution as so many police officers before him who gunned down or lynched black citizens.
Instead he is the first white police officer in the state of Minnesota ever to be criminally charged over the death of a black man. After initially arguing that there were mitigating factors to be considered, prosecutors hurriedly changed course to declare Chauvin’s indictment the fastest they had ever initiated. Yesterday Minneapolis’s police chief was forced to call the other three officers who stood by as Floyd was murdered in front of them “complicit”.
Confrontation, not contrition
If the authorities’ placatory indictment of Chauvin – on the least serious charge they could impose, based on incontrovertible evidence they could not afford to deny – amounts to success, then it is only a little less depressing than failure.
Worse still, though most protesters are trying to keep their demonstrations non-violent, many of the police officers dealing with the protests look far readier for confrontation than contrition. The violent attacks by police on protesters, including the use of vehicles for rammings, suggest that it is Chauvin’s murder charge – not the slow, barbaric murder of Floyd by one of their number – that has incensed fellow officers. They expect continuing impunity for their violence.
Here is the overhead… pic.twitter.com/US6Qqhkz3O
— Rob Bennett 🤠 (@rob_bennett) May 31, 2020
Similarly, the flagrant mistreatment by police of corporate media outlets simply for reporting developments, from the arrest of a CNN crew to physical assaults on BBC staff, underlines the sense of grievance harboured by many police officers when their culture of violence is exposed for all the world to see. They are not reeling it in, they are widening the circle of “enemies”.
This was before curfew and our cameraman @p_murt clearly a member of the press, a block away from the White House this evening… pic.twitter.com/X7oQqZm8eW
— Aleem Maqbool (@AleemMaqbool) June 1, 2020
Nonetheless, it is entirely wrong to suggest, as a New York Times editorial did yesterday, that police impunity can be largely ascribed to “powerful unions” shielding officers from investigation and punishment. The editorial board needs to go back to school. The issues currently being exposed to the harsh glare of daylight get to the heart of what modern states are there to do – matters rarely discussed outside of political theory classes.
Right to bear arms
The success of the modern state, like the monarchies of old, rests on the public’s consent, explicit or otherwise, to its monopoly of violence. As citizens, we give up what was once deemed an inherent or “natural” right to commit violence ourselves and replace it with a social contract in which our representatives legislate supposedly neutral, just laws on our behalf. The state invests the power to enforce those laws in a supposedly disciplined, benevolent police force – there to “protect and serve” – while a dispassionate court system judges suspected violators of those laws.
That is the theory, anyway.
In the case of the United States, the state’s monopoly on violence has been muddied by a constitutional “right to bear arms”, although, of course, the historic purpose of that right was to ensure that the owners of land and slaves could protect their “property”. Only white men were supposed to have the right to bear arms.
Today, little has changed substantively, as should be obvious the moment we consider what would have happened had it been black militia men that recently protested the Covid-19 lockdown by storming the Michigan state capitol, venting their indignation in the faces of white policemen.
(In fact, the US authorities’ reaction to the Black Panthers movement through the late 1960s and 1970s is salutary enough for anyone who wishes to understand how dangerous it is for a black man to bear arms in his own defence against the violence of white men.)
Brutish violence
The monopoly of violence by the state is justified because most of us have supposedly consented to it in an attempt to avoid a Hobbesian world of brutish violence where individuals, families and tribes enforce their own, less disinterested versions of justice.
But of course the state system is not as neutral or dispassionate as it professes, or as most of us assume. Until the struggle for universal suffrage succeeded – a practice that in all western states can be measured in decades, not centuries – the state was explicitly there to uphold the interests of a wealthy elite, a class of landed gentry and newly emerging industrialists, as well as a professional class that made society run smoothly for the benefit of that elite.
What was conceded to the working class was the bare minimum to prevent them from rising up against the privileges enjoyed by the rest of society.
That was why, for example, Britain did not have universal health care – the National Health Service – until after the Second World War, 30 years after men received the vote and 20 years after women won the same right. Only after the war did the British establishment start to fear that a newly empowered working class – of returning soldiers who knew how to bear arms, backed by women who had been released from the home to work on the land or in munitions factories to replace the departed men – might no longer be willing to accept a lack of basic health care for themselves and their loved ones.
It was in this atmosphere of an increasingly organised and empowered labour movement – reinforced by the need to engineer more consumerist societies to benefit newly emerging corporations – that European social democracy was born. (Paradoxically, the post-war US Marshall Plan helped subsidise the emergence of Europe’s major social democracies, including their public health care systems, even as similar benefits were denied domestically to Americans.)
Creative legal interpretations
To maintain legitimacy for the state’s monopoly on violence, the legal establishment has had to follow the same minimalist balancing act as the political establishment.
The courts cannot simply rationalise and justify the implicit and sometimes explicit use of violence in law enforcement without regard to public sentiment. Laws are amended, but equally significantly they are creatively interpreted by judges so that they fit the ideological and moral fashions and prejudices of the day, to ensure the public feels justice is being done.
In the main, however, we the public have a very conservative understanding of right and wrong, of justice and injustice, which has been shaped for us by a corporate media that both creates and responds to those fashions and trends to ensure that the current system continues undisturbed, allowing for the ever-greater accumulation of wealth by an elite.
That is why so many of us are viscerally appalled by looting on the streets by poor people, but reluctantly accept as a fact of life the much larger intermittent looting of our taxes, of our banks, of our homes by the state to bail out a corporate elite that cannot manage the economy it created.
Again, the public’s deference to the system is nurtured to ensure it does not rise up.
Muscle on the street
But the legal system doesn’t just have a mind; it has muscle too. Its front-line enforcers, out on the street, get to decide who is a criminal suspect, who is dangerous or subversive, who needs to be deprived of their liberty, and who is going to have violence inflicted upon them. It is the police that initially determine who spends time in a jail cell and who comes before a court. And in some cases, as in George Floyd’s, it is the police that decide who is going to be summarily executed without a trial or a jury.
The state would prefer, of course, that police officers don’t kill unarmed citizens in the street – and even more so that they don’t carry out such acts in full view of witnesses and on camera, as Chauvin did. The state’s objections are not primarily ethical. State bureaucracies are not overly invested in matters beyond the need to maintain external and internal security: defending the borders from outside threats, and ensuring internal legitimacy through the cultivation of citizens’ consent.
But the issue of for whom and for what the state keeps its territory safe has become harder to conceal over time. Nowadays, the state’s political processes and its structures have been almost completely captured by corporations. As a result, the maintenance of internal and external security is less about ensuring an orderly and safe existence for citizens than about creating a stable territorial platform for globalised businesses to plunder local resources, exploit local labour forces and generate greater profits by transforming workers into consumers.
Increasingly, the state has become a hollowed-out vessel through which corporations order their business agendas. States function primarily now to compete with each other in a battle to minimise the obstacles facing global corporations as they seek to maximise their wealth and profits in each state’s territory. The state’s role is to avoid getting in the way of corporations as they extract resources (deregulation), or, when this capitalist model regularly collapses, come to the aid of the corporations with more generous bailouts than rival states.
Murder could prove a spark
This is the political context for understanding why Chauvin is that very rare example of a white policeman facing a murder charge for killing a black man.
Chauvin’s gratuitous and incendiary murder of Floyd – watched by any American with a screen, and with echoes of so many other recent cases of unjustifiable police brutality against black men, women and children – is the latest spark that risks lighting a conflagration.
In the heartless, amoral calculations of the state, the timing of Chauvin’s very public act of barbarity could not have been worse. There were already rumblings of discontent over federal and state authorities’ handling of the new virus; fears over the catastrophic consequences for the US economy; outrage at the inequity – yet again – of massive bailouts for the biggest corporations but paltry help for ordinary workers; and the social and personal frustrations caused by lockdown.
There is also a growing sense that the political class, Republican and Democrat alike, has grown sclerotic and unresponsive to the plight of ordinary Americans – an impression only underscored by the fallout from the Covid-19 pandemic.
For all these reasons, and many others, people were ready to take to the streets. Floyd’s murder gave them the push.
The need for loyal police
In these circumstances, Chauvin had to be charged, even if only in the hope of assuaging that anger, of providing a safety valve releasing some of the discontent.
But charging Chauvin is no simple matter either. To ensure its survival, the state needs to monopolise violence and internal security, to maintain its exclusive definition of what constitutes order, and to keep the state as a safe territorial platform for business. The alternative is the erosion of the nation-state’s authority, and the possibility of its demise.
This was the rationale behind Donald Trump’s notorious tweet last week – censored by Twitter for “glorifying violence” – that warned: “When the looting starts, the shooting starts.” Not surprisingly, he invoked the words of a racist Miami police chief, Walter Headley, who threatened violence against the African-American community in the late 1960s. At the time Headley additionally stated: “There’s no communication with them except force.”
Trump may be harking back to an ugly era of what was once called “race relations”, but the sentiment lies at the heart of the state’s mission.
The state needs its police forces loyal and ready to use violence. It cannot afford discontent in the ranks, or that sections of the police corps no longer identify their own interests with the state’s. The state dares not alienate police officers for fear that, when they are needed most, during times of extreme dissent like now, they will not be there – or worse still, that they will have joined the dissenters.
As noted, elements in the police are already demonstrating their disenchantment over Chauvin’s indictment as well as their sense of grievance against the media – bolstered by Donald Trump’s regular verbal assaults on journalists. That sentiment helps to explain the unprecedented attacks by the police on reliably compliant major media outlets covering the protests.
Minnesota police arrest CNN reporter and camera crew as they report from protests in Minneapolis https://t.co/oZdqBti776 pic.twitter.com/3QbeTjD5ed
— CNN (@CNN) May 29, 2020
Ideological twins
The need to keep the security forces loyal is why the state fosters a sense of separateness between the police and those sections of the populace that it defines as potentially threatening order, thereby uniting more privileged segments of society in fear and hostility.
The state cultivates in the police and sections of the public a sense that police violence is legitimate by definition when it targets individuals or groups it portrays as threatening or subversive. It also encourages the view that the police enjoy impunity a priori in such cases because they alone can decide what constitutes a menace to society (shaped, of course, by popular discourses promoted by the state and the corporate media).
“Threat” is defined as any dissent against the existing order, whether it is a black man answering back and demonstrating “attitude”, or mass protests against the system, including against police violence. In this way, the police and the state are ideological twins. The state approves whatever the police do; while the police repress whatever the state defines as a threat. If it is working effectively, state-police violence becomes a circular, self-rationalising system.
Throwing the protests a bone
Charging Chauvin risks disrupting that system, creating a fault line between the state and the police, one of the state’s most essential agencies. Which is why the charging of a police officer in these circumstances is such an exceptional event, and has been dictated by the current exceptional outpouring of anger.
Prosecutors are trying to find a delicate compromise between two conflicting demands: between the need to reassure the police that their violence is always legitimate (carried out “in the line of duty”) and the need to stop the popular wave of anger escalating to a point where the existing order might break down. In these circumstances, Chauvin needs to be charged but with the least serious indictment possible – given the irrefutable evidence presented in the video – in the hope that, once the current wave of anger has subsided, he can be found not guilty; or if found guilty, given a lenient sentence; or if sentenced more harshly, pardoned.
Chauvin’s indictment is like throwing a chewed-dry bone to a hungry dog, from the point of view of the state authorities. It is an act of parsimonious appeasement, designed to curb non-state violence or the threat of such violence.
The indictment is not meant to change a police culture – or an establishment one – that presents black men as an inherent threat to order. It will not disrupt regulatory and legal systems that are wedded to the view that (white, conservative) police officers are on the front line defending civilisational values from (black or leftwing) “lawbreakers”. And it will not curtail the state’s commitment to ensuring that the police enjoy impunity over their use of violence.
Change is inevitable
A healthy state – committed to the social contract – would be capable of finding ways to accommodate discontent before it reaches the level of popular revolt. The scenes playing out across the US are evidence that state institutions, captured by corporate money, are increasingly incapable of responding to demands for change. The hollowed-out state represents not its citizens, who are capable of compromise, but the interests of global forces of capital that care little what takes place on the streets of Minneapolis or New York so long as the corporations can continue to accumulate wealth and power.
Why would we expect these global forces to be sensitive to popular unrest in the US when they have proved entirely insensitive to the growing signals of distress from the planet, as its life-support systems recalibrate for our pillage and plunder in ways we will struggle to survive as a species?
Why would the state not block the path to peaceful change, knowing it excels in the use of violence, when it blocks the path to reform that might curb the corporate assault on the environment?
These captured politicians and officials – on the “left” and right – will continue fanning the flames, stoking the fires, as Barack Obama’s former national security adviser Susan Rice did this week. She denied the evidence of police violence shown on Youtube and the very real distress of an underclass abandoned by the political class when she suggested that the protests were being directed from the Kremlin.
More of Susan Rice speculating on CNN that Russia is fueling US protests: "I would not be surprised to learn that they have fomented some of these extremists on both sides using social media. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they are funding it in some way, shape, or form." pic.twitter.com/qLGdZuxBuo
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) May 31, 2020
This kind of bipartisan denial of reality only underscores how quickly we are entering a period of crisis and revolt. From the G8 protests, to the Occupy movement, to Extinction Rebellion, to the schools protests, to the Yellow Vests, to the current fury on US streets, there is evidence all around that the centre is struggling to maintain its hold. The US imperial project is overstretched, the global corporate elite is over-extended, living on credit, resources are depleting, the planet is recalibrating. Something will have to give.
The challenge to the protesters – either those on the streets now or those who follow in their wake – is how to surmount the state’s violence and how to offer a vision of a different, more hopeful future that restores the social contract.
Lessons will be learnt through protest, defiance and disobedience, not in a courtroom where a police officer stands trial as an entire political and economic system is allowed to carry on with its crimes.
Jonathan Cook won the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His books include “Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East” (Pluto Press) and “Disappearing Palestine: Israel’s Experiments in Human Despair” (Zed Books). His website is www.jonathan-cook.net.
Mr. Cook, I have to ask you a question. It isn’t going to sound very charitable, though it is.
If you look at the past fifty years of American history you may notice something ever so peculiar. In a space of half a century American society has experienced what may be the most comprehensive demographic transformation in peacetime.
What is America? It is a bunch of different:
Special interest groups
Corporations
Nationalities
Races
Ethnicity’s
Religions
Anti-religion
Cultures and subcultures
Lifestyles
Classes
Underclasses-permenant it appears
Languages
Ideologies
Sexual orientations
Genders
This question is this. What do all these people, groups and organization have keeping them together besides a government standing on top of them forcing them together?
The answer? Not a damn thing.
Behind everything, there is almost always something else going. Behind these riots is a lot of pent up hate looking for a place to explode.
It found it in George Floyd.
And frankly, I just don’t care much anymore.
The Minnesota police are one of the many police forces in the United States that are trained in Israel, by the Israeli military. As Paul Craig Roberts has pointed out the knee on the neck technique is taught by Israel to the police forces they train and the police forces accept this technique and consider it normal and just another tool in combating those who resist arrest as Floyd was doing. This is why the riotous threatening crowd was ignored and also why the mixed race officers with Chauvin did nothing: it was an accepted technique, a part of the police department of Minneapolis.
This is a preposterous statement. Police did not lynch anyone black or white. The most shootings of suspects have been done by black officers. You are lying.
In fact, most of your column is a lie. You should be decrying the training of police by Israel military. They have over-militarized US police forces across the nation.
You could also promote information to the black community educating and strongly advising to STOP RESISTING ARREST when detained by police.
You do a disservice to anyone who reads your article. It is completely utterly clear that Floyd’s death was not racially motivated. It had to do with the militarization of the police, rooted in Israeli training of police forces of the US coupled with the US military adventures throughout the world which has led to the sale to police forces all over the US of surplus military equipment in order to further militarize the police forces.
The blame should not be on one officer nor should it be on the 4 officers. You are being misled.
Mr Cook makes some fine points about the militarization of police forces and their abuse of power, and why they exist and whom for they exist. Arresting a retired ex cop for playing ball in a park, and tackling a mother to the ground who was pushing her baby in a stroller for not wearing a mask on a public street just two prime examples. He however doesn’t suggest any solutions. Are we supposed to eliminate police forces all together? As we can see very clearly now the lockdowns in blue democratically controlled states were nothing more than power grabs under the guise of “health and safety”. What’s to be done? I do not see how we can vote our way out this. And lunatics will not stop voting for totalitarian Democrats under any circumstances! Not saying the political right is any better, the b.s. “Patriot Act” being their excuse at a power grab. Both sides will not let ordinary law abiding citizens alone while they enrich themselves out our expense. They are all control freaks, and they need to be stopped ASAP!
Mr. Cook – the ‘demonstrators’ are all Democrats, and they are doing their protests in very friendly cities.
What I’d really like to know right now is what percent of protesters support Bernie.
Where can I get a copy of this contract?
Seems like an illusion to me.
Jonathan:
In the absence of the State, wealthy places hire Academi and the communal borders of less wealthy places are patrolled by McMichaels with shotguns. There are no citizens or immigrants, only owners, tenants and trespassers. Criminals aren’t arrested; they are beaten and evicted. The really bad ones are simply shot dead. Joggers and amateur home inspectors are told to keep walking. In the absence of the State, stupid, violent people like George Floyd are lucky to be alive at age 46.
If people aren’t going to be allowed to discriminate and coalesce into communities with shared behavioral norms so conflicts like these are minimized, then you will just have to put up with the secular democratic State and the occasional deaths of net tax consumers like George Floyd.
You are a classic example of conservative stupidity. So classic. Bigly classic.
You think that everybody who isn’t like you is a Democrat because you are completely unaware that there is anything else.
A state unilaterally creating law out of line with what the citizenry wants, leads to discomfort, then protest, then rioting, rebellion, and finallu the revolutionary overthrow of the laws and the state.
A state creating law, when the citizenry has direct access to affect that law, when the state creates law out of line with what the citizenry wants, leads to discomfort, protest, petition, referendum, and finally an evolutionary change of the law.
The individual is powerless against the state, but society should share sovereignty with the state, checking and balancing its decisions, if only by reversing representative decisions.
Direct democracy, where only the citizenry sets laws, is the chaos of a covetous mob rule against those who succeed more. Autocracy, where only representatives (set ‘by God’ or ‘the people’) set laws, is a covetous mob rule against those who succeed less.
Only semi-direct democracy is a politics of consent. Not a utopia, just more balanced. The head has to walk in the same direction as the body, and vice versa. We only have a one way direct communication line between the head and the body for our representative democracies.
It’s the most ubiquitous, most important contract of all contracts ever… and also happens to fall short of the minimum required elements to be considered a contract.
But anyway, it’s real. So real!
The state is a creation of the exploitive class. It’s function is to divide us into smaller & smaller pieces. Unfortunately the author falls for it’s scheme. As do most commenters & the general public.
The state is an extremely successful criminal organization. As MR would say the mafia writ large.
What is truly amazing is the knee-jerk condemnations across the entire political spectrum without seeing or hearing all relevant information.
In another thread someone challenged a comment I made by asking how one justifies keeping a guy down with a knee on the back of his neck for eight minutes: The response was that it was plausible that this was the best way to keep a large man who might be hopped up on something from harming himself while convulsing or thrashing his head and body.
Lo and behold, when the autopsy results came out, the press release suggested the beatified George Floyd had traces of fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system, on top of a significant arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, all of which likely led to his demise under the stress of being forcefully restrained.
https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf
There is also buzz that suggests that what actually went down was far more complicated than the picture painted by the footage that has launched a thousand riots, but once again the narrative has been seized and the “guilty” parties have been condemned and convicted before all the evidence has been gathered and presented, sadly even by those who should know better to do so.
At best, this is gross negligence manslaughter, hardly murder in any degree, and that charge of brutality requires far more investigation and hearing of relevant facts.
Anyone can sign up for it–even people who got here 5 minutes ago. But don’t you dare try to leave it!
“In the absence of the State, wealthy places hire Academi and the communal borders of less wealthy places are patrolled by McMichaels with shotguns. There are no citizens or immigrants, only owners, tenants and trespassers. Criminals aren’t arrested; they are beaten and evicted. The really bad ones are simply shot dead. Joggers and amateur home inspectors are told to keep walking.”
This make-believe world of yours isn’t coming into existence, so please keep your pretending to yourself.
“If people aren’t going to be allowed to discriminate and coalesce into communities with shared behavioral norms so conflicts like these are minimized…”
But people do discriminate and form such communities. You just don’t like the current ones in existence as created by normies. Seems like a personal problem to me…
You make some good points.
Where did the guy say he was conservative? You made the bigly bigly classic mistake of “ASSuming”. Could be libertarian, independent etc… If you’re going to ball bust a guy for not being aware of the other possibilities, probably should consider it yourself…
The cop wouldn’t have been charged without rioting? With the evidence of that video? Really?
Not in any disagreement with your comment. I only want to add that police brutality is a huge problem for the population at large. Whites are killed more by cops than blacks! The procedure of kneeling on someone’s neck whether approved by the MDP or not is wrong period! Yeah the bro was a thug criminal, and a net negative on society, yeah I want thugs off the street, but too many routine traffic stops and other encounters get escalated by cops some of who are just as thuggish, just as dangerous and just as psychotic and sadistic as criminals.
Perhaps one of the worst articles ever on Unz. If officer Chauvin is guilty of anything it is negligent homicide at the worst. As happens every day in this country, police responded to a citizens call for help and had the responsibility of controlling a hopped up non-cooperative suspect. With the ghetto trash we have in this country, the police actually do a remarkable job of restraining themselves in these situations. There is no group of people anywhere that are handled with kid gloves more than American Blacks are. Talk to any person in law enforcement and they will tell you the same. After years of brainwashing by the Far Left, Blacks in this country have been transformed into sacred objects, and the truth about their culture and actions (under the large part of the Bell Curve for you idiots who will cite some random Black that is the exception and has left Black culture behind) cannot be spoken.
As for the protesters, the majority are not people who want police reform (whatever that is), but those whose ghetto lifestyle hates the idea of any police at all. Good luck with that, Mr. Cook.
If it’s time for Civil War, let it come. Whatever the faults of the Right in this country, and they are not few, the American Left today is as vile and disgusting a group of people that has ever existed on this planet.
Here is an idea for you, Mr. Cook. Lets have some areas of the country that we don’t police and people are free to choose to live there. And lets see how long you last living in one of those places. We both know the answer to that.
The police deserve criticism on many occasions, and the overuse of no-knock warrants that do nothing but endanger people is one of them, and something that we should be talking about and which does involve a real State Power issue. Confiscation of personal property on mere suspicion is another absolutely real issue that should have serious discussion in this country. But condemning Law Enforcement across this country because they have to deal with absolute trash on a daily basis and these unfortunate incidents happen occasionally is laughable.
19th century robber baron and student of human nature, Jay Gould, famously bragged: “I can hire half the working class to kill the other half”. And he proved it by hiring goons and cops to bust up lots of strikes affecting his railroad holdings. Base pay for a cop in Seattle with 54 months on the job is $52.45/hour which translates to $110,000/year plus overtime, full benefits, and generous retirement. Beats mixing paint at Home Depot for $12/hour and no benefits, no retirement, and no status. And cops get a spiffy uniform which a lot of women really get off on. So anyone here think a well paid cop won’t pound the crap out of you if ordered to do so? Ole Jay Gould had it exactly right.
– It’s European-whites who are more likely to be killed by police, not blacks. It’s not even close.
– Facts concerning ‘killings’ by police:
This Is Not Genocide’: Tucker Carlson Breaks Down Every Police Shooting Of Unarmed Black Suspects In 2019: https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/03/tucker-carlson-police-
5 Facts About How Many Blacks Are Shot By Cops: https://www.dailywire.com/news/5-facts-about-how-many-blacks-are-shot-cops-aaron-bandler
There Is No Epidemic of Racist Police Shootings, By Heather Mac Donald
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/white-cops-dont-commit-more-shootings/
18 U.S.C.A. § 471
Armed Hispanics patrol their neighborhoods against black rioters, but whites are not allowed to do such a thing.
Oy vey, cool it down with the anti semitism you natzee.
Some previously unseen footage of US troubles provided by Russian media: watch 5:40 for something I thought I’d never see
https://thesaker.is/the-wheel-of-misfortune-has-sent-the-troops-to-washington-ruslan-ostashko/
“…bolstered by Donald Trump’s regular verbal assaults on journalists.”
In my opinion, they’ve been justified assaults. The media, through their outright lies, omissions and half-truths have done more harm to the country than any other entity.
You’d better get down on one knee now, Mr. Cook. That way you won’t have so far to fall when the civil war starts.
Dear Mr Cook,
The NHS in the UK was created to prevent a communist revolution that was underway in the country in 1946-1947.
The UK had been bled dry by Rothschild and the Empire looted beyond all belief by this parasite.
At the end of WW2 Germany was more wealthy after being ransacked by the Jewish elites, than the UK was in victory.
The people could see they had been lied to, exploited and murdered purely for Jewish profit.
The UK was in the middle of a communist putsch. The NHS was one of the sops used by Churchill and the State to divide the revolutionaries. But you won’t find this in any of the official histories, just as you won’t find any mention of the numerous peace offers made by the elected leader of Germany Hitler, but turned down by the appointed dictator (unelected) war monger and war criminal Churchill.
Jonathan, you are a good man.
Why not write about the Israelification of our domestic Police forces.
Who taught the Minnesota Police the “knee in the neck” tactic?
The Israelis.
That’s right, the Israelis.
Write about that.
He lives in Nazareth.
If he is ever on his knees, it’s because he is praying the Israelis stop killing Palestinians.
How often are Israeli police charged in the deaths of Palestinians?
Great and meaty article Jon; and it goes to the root of state power and its monopoly of violence through militarized police forces who look at and take the common people as the enemy. Race may be in it too, but they would, and do, the same to whites and, especially, to those whites that are “reds” or inconvenient protesters as the Bonus Army or Julian Assange.
The police forces, never that humane, nowadays are the protector and enforcer of a power structure where the state is only a front and machinery for wealth and privilege. The days of the amiable London Bobby are long over; his successor trained by professional killers who honed their sharp-shooting skills on Palestinian children. For them we, the common people, are also disposable Palestinians.
Martin Niemoller’s reminder should be a warning to everyone, especially the “patriotic’ whites who might feel protected by their brothers in uniform: “First they came for the Communists… and I did nothing because I was not one of them, then …”
Is How to Rise Above the Violence
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Lock and load – Pick up a good position, control breathing, set sights on 6 o’clock bull, take up trigger slack, let the round go at the exact right moment, one round, one hit. That’s how to rise above.
The article is a very, very prudent expose of the reality. A few remarks.
The “riots” are over-exposed in the media, precisely because they are quite insignificant. What “corporations” concerns, it is just individuals, few, undistinguished in how they pull the ropes. It is the blob at the top of society, that has apparently as the only group the capacity to organize, come up with aligned interaction. Very successfully proven by the Corona phenomenon(internationally and well mentioned by the author). The elites still need to make their point in this retail “uprising”, but as things go, there seems to be no coordination of grievance, alliances between suppressed groups, leaders, a deep conscientiousness of what is at cause is not an accidental criminal, a rogue cop, but “violent” top down implementations(as in taxes, negative interest rates, pollution, food manipulation, media control, social control, one names his pet grievance). The Steven Pinker hideous fallacy in his “Angels” is the lack of a meaningful definition of what violence constitutes.
There is no focus on the real issue now pressing: bargaining the push to an inclusive policy of the West to a different society, in which the survivors and the environment, the long term, stand the better chance. Not the de facto current few take all continuing, at the expense of sustainability. Not the building of a glass ceiling where for the larger part of the global populations there is no escape from. Black, White, Latino, Asian. Chopsticks and white rice is not enchanting a proposition for the next generations. The media super-whore class of “professionals” hard at work to divert the focus.
The bargaining position can only be accomplished by at the least, civil disobedience, disruption, the hardcore sort of thing, beyond the capacity of the streets for now, evidently. The thing is going to fizzle. Up to the next bottle neck. Unavoidably, and somehow physically impacting on the elites, the only argument they will grasp.
For now, far from seeing the Yellow Vests taking advantage of the ongoing riots, for their own reasons. Far from seeing a lock-down of Manhattan by the crowds in unison. The explaining comes later. Small business being a victim? What about bailing them out. It is a magical solution, burning one´s own dump might be the better business model. The maze of freaks at the top, atomically are just a few thinking individuals, a bunch of second rate actors, and can only be invited to the negotiating table when confronted with real pressure. Vote with your feet is minimal for those with any kind of ambition and that are not within the oligarch circle of remuneration and privilege.
“Had demonstrators not turned out in massive numbers on the streets and refused to be corralled back home by the threat of police violence, the US legal system would have simply turned a blind eye to Chauvin’s act of extreme brutality, as it has done before over countless similar acts.”
Wow. the criminal justice system driven by criminals. I stopped reading at this point.
Universal suffrage has failed, if it means every adult voting. But does it simply mean every adult is on the electoral roll? And what does “elect” mean? It means choose. Is there a means of choosing one citizen off every roll, one for every electorate, doing it in a very fair, balanced, low-cost way, equal chance of anyone on the roll being chosen for a fixed term, isn’t that universal suffrage?
Wouldn’t it end the corrupt, fraudulent system that poses as democracy today? No lobby licked by every politician every time it bends over?
No lobbies, no career politicians, all fixed.
When they steal property, deal drugs, protect mobsters, beat their spouses(more often than others), and form the strongest gang mentality of any gang ever – what would you call that group of people? Public Servants?
People who become involved with police through commission of an illegal act
have placed themselves in danger. If that person resists arrest they are now in
grave danger, as they are going to be subdued and every technique to accomplish
that end has potentially fatal side effects.
The time tested baton to the head causes concussions or worse. My grandfather,
an NYPD Sergeant in the early 20th century, carried a flexible baton called “blackjack”
which would render the unruly unconscious with a quick flick. How about tasing?
That could kill too. And pepper spray or tear gas arerecipes for oxygen deprivation.
Then there are choke holds and neck compressions.
You have to be out of your mind or on drugs to resist arrest.
If George had a serious contagious medical problem,like aids or hep c and he attempted to infect the cops then that’s a problem.
Once the trial starts watch what happens.
In any event the riots were going to happen sooner or later.
In 1962, USA black rights activist Robert F Williams (1925-96) wrote a book, ‘Negroes with Guns’, advocating that blacks arm themselves and carry weapons, and become self-sufficient, self-protecting, self-governing masters of their own communities
Facing criminal charges after a violent incident, Williams received asylum from Fidel Castro in Cuba, from which he broadcast to the USA on ‘Radio Free Dixie’. He then moved to China where he met Mao Zedong.
In the less oppressive USA of that era, charges against Williams were later dropped, and the US government chartered a plane to bring him back. His story became a 2004 film.
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/negroeswithguns/rob.html
There is much angst and consternation against prosecutors, grand and petit juries who refuse to bring charges against police officers, even when incontrovertible evidence is presented.
Even with incontrovertible audio and video evidence, prosecutors are loath to prosecute rogue law enforcement personnel.
Let’s examine the reasons why it is so difficult to prosecute thug cops:
Most prosecutors are former police officers or have extensive dealings with police departments and have ongoing relationships with police departments in their respective jurisdictions. They are friendly with the judges in their jurisdictions, as well.
This, along with “absolute immunity” makes it easy for them to “cover up” police abuses and behavior. Prosecutors cannot be sued for malfeasance…it takes a judge (who prosecutors are friendly with) to bring charges on a rogue prosecutor (which almost never happens).
In addition, prosecutors guide the actions of grand juries. Prosecutors are not required to introduce any evidence to grand juries, (can and do) easily “whitewash” the actions of rogue cops.
On the other hand, prosecutors can (and often do) go after honest citizens who seek justice outside official channels…prosecutors have ultimate power and are not afraid to use it…their immunity sees to that.
Another aspect to a jury’s inability to prosecute bad cops is the fear of retribution…cops drive around all day, have nothing but time, have access to various databases, and can easily get the names and addresses of jurors…this, in itself can be a powerful deterrent against jurors who “want to do the right thing” and prosecute bad cops.
There are many cases of cops parking in front of jurors’ residences, following them around, and threaten to issue citations to them, in order to “convince” them to “make the right decision”…the “thin blue line” at its worst…
In addition, when police officers are brought to trial, their “brethren in blue” routinely “stack” the courtroom with police officers in uniform. This is but another intimidation tactic that police use to “encourage” jurors to vote for acquittal.
The whole system has to change.
Eliminate absolute and qualified immunity for all public officials. The fear of personal lawsuits would be a powerful deterrent against abuses of the public.
Any funds disbursed to civilians as a result of official misconduct must be taken from the police pension funds–NOT from the taxpayers.
Grand juries must be superior to the prosecutor; ALL evidence must be presented to grand jurors. Failure to do so must be considered a felony and subject prosecutors to prosecution themselves.
No police agency can be allowed to investigate itself. Internal affairs departments must be restricted to minor in-house investigations of behavior between cops. All investigations must be handled by outside agencies, preferably at the state level.
Civilian police review boards must be free of police influence. Members of civilian review boards must have NO ties to police departments. Relatives of police would be prohibited from serving…
Recently, the “supreme court” threw police another “bone”. The court ruled that police are not responsible for their actions if they are “ignorant of the law”…now, let’s get this straight–honest citizens cannot use “ignorance of the law” as an excuse, but cops can??
Revolution is sorely needed…..
Both sides doing it:
Dumb essay.
Like almost all other punditry these last weeks, fails to get the big picture.
— The Chauvin-Floyd erotic dance was street theater. When is Floyd’s funeral? Will it be open casket? He’s not been Emmit Tilled, so should be no problem, right?
— The purpose for Floyd’s dramatic death and the snuff film miraculously caught on iPhone camera by an overly-emotional 17 year old was to set off a riot. Eezie Peezie.
— The purposes for the riot are manifold:
1. to distract the American public (who doesn’t care anyway and might even applaud) from the zionist militarized takeover of West Bank
2. to normalize the presence of military forces on the streets of USA, enforcing curfews, shooting at people to make them stay in their houses etc. We are all Palestinians.
see An Israeli Soldier’s Story – Eran Efrati,
3. military seamlessly inserted into civilian keeping-of-order affairs,
police who might have been non-compliant or might have participated in resistance rendered untrustworthy to protect citizens from military,
medical personnel having become “militarized” — “Heroes,” next step is to medicalize military,
4. in order that the combined forces will administer a vaccine that has the real possibility of sterilizing the next generation, if not worse
5. in background, foreground, all around is the Grand Theft Banksters (a category more inclusive than just bankers) of the wealth of the American middle class, their jobs, futures. We are all Weimar.
6. to complete the zionist takeover of all remaining parts of US society, culture, institutions that they do not already control
7. with the bonus-possibility that Chinese assets in USA will be garnished by a US Court that sues China for starting the virus.
The Esper+Mattis vs Trump controversy is genius.
Trump is in on the plot.
Remember how the bankers got US Congress to vote FOR the Federal Reserve act? They published op eds about their opposition to it. “If the bankers are against it, it must be good . ..”
You are right, there’s no glue holding the country together. Nothing.
Time to sue the POlice Unions and their Pension funds also. They get away with conspiring to the murder , joke about it, and then make sure their murderers gets a one way free – out of jail card. The whole system is nothing more than a full fledged strong arm Mafia , that the politicians, judges, district attorneys, prisons and others – keep fed. USA USA USA is nothing more than – Heil Hitler !
Great post. I’d add some points to yours if I may.
– People need effective organisations which represent their particular class interests so that they can assert themselves. It is not effective to riot as a disorganised mob with no weapons.
– The globalist Jewish media focus on supposed Karen-related racial injustices within a society, because this furthers globalists’ and corporations’ objective of delegitimising the State. It is impossible to reconcile different races of people’s interests.
– The question is, which types of organisations do Cook and other mad leftist idiots think can replace the State as organisations through which peoples (e.g. ethnic groupings or class groupings) can organise and assert their collective interests against globalist corporations?
– There seems to be a completely naive romanticism in the power of the angry mob which flows through this article, and a demented belief that the globalist establishment actually opposes some low IQ disparate, disorganised black rioters and their cause, and is afraid of them. Which is clearly TOTALLY false.
It is an illusion. The problem is look how many people see it and consent to the terms.
It’s a bad start to getting anyone to take you seriously when you display such ignorance as allows you to say Churchill had anything to do with the founding of the NHS. He was out of office from 1945 to 1951.
I have no idea who Cook is. I can say this, though. He doesn’t know a damn thing about the USA or its history. Let’s start with his twisted view of the Second Amendment. It had nothing to do with slavery or protecting property. It was intended to ensure that the population at large was armed to be able to resist government tyranny, mainly central government tyranny, and to ensure that the people were a counterweight to the regular standing army. Any student of the Constitution knows this. One of the major problems of the young United States was the idea that a citizen militia (the one named in the Second Amendment, Cook) could replace a professional, full-time army. After some military disaster Congress very reluctantly allowed the creation of West Point and a true professional army. Cook’s obsession with slavery and “property” marks him as one of the people who have fallen for the pseudo-historical bullshit opf Project 1619, in which all of American history somehow revolves around slavery and the “Negro”. No doubt race and slavery are an important issue in our history, especially for black Americans, but they are secondary issues. As for keeping arms out of the hands of slaves, they did not need an amendment to the Constitution for that.
Next he blathers on about what was of course a terrible, inexcusable incident, the death of George Floyd. The idea that this tragedy (and crime) proves some sort of “systemic racism” or call for the overhaul of American society is ludicrous. Our country has taken titanic steps to reverse the legacy of slavery and give black Americans their rightful place in our society. Unfortunately, this was done without an honest assessment of the role things other than racism have played in making it difficult for some blacks to become successful and useful members of our culture and society. The reasons for that sad fact would require more space than is available here.
“No lobbies, no career politicians, all fixed”
How does that work? I know plenty of career politicians who stay on top simply by ingratiating themselves with local party members and then local voters generally.
“negroes with guns”
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The thing about darkies with guns is they don’t actually “shoot.” they spray or fire from point blank range. For example, when they go on their rampage, usually anybody is in danger. That includes the woman washing dishes who has nothing to do with the problem to a child riding a tricycle to the intended victim. But when a White man uses his firearm a whole lot of people die. So when everything comes apart in our nation, be on the side of the real marksmen – White people.
He won’t write about Israelification of our urban police. He won’t write that JDL and similar groups training with automatic rifles in full military gear some years ago were granted immunity from prosecution through Chuck Schumer’s intervention.
Antifa won’t make the same mistake they made in Yucaipa. They’ve been training in guerrilla warfare and the use of automatic weapons for years in preparation for this opening salvo in the Jewish-led war to exterminate whites under the guise of exterminating “systemic racism.” There’s systemic racism all right, and it’s almost entirely black on white, from murder and rape to preferential hiring of blacks and their unmerited advancement throughout every institution in America.
Obama promised a million-strong, armed and uniformed civilian army that we now should anticipate will be made up of these black rioters and white Antifas. Once Biden is sworn in after the upcoming rigged election and turns the WH over to Stacey Abrams or Cory Booker, these armed and uniformed leftists will be going door to door to confiscate whites’ guns (only) and using public mental health as a weapon perfected by the “Bolsheviks” in Russia during the last century to imprison dissenters.
Take this for what it’s worth. A Russian monk, when asked abut the Jewish extermination of tens of millions of Russian Christians, replied that that was nothing compared to what they would do to America in the next century.
Already we have cops and National Guard units taking a knee in a ritualized surrender to the rioters, as well as the former’s disgusting supplication for forgiveness for Antifa’s spitting in their faces; soiling cops’ uniforms and faces with piss-and-shit bombs; getting shot in the back of the head; getting run over; and, insult of insults, being made fools out of on their own streets under direct orders from communists like DiBlasio and Garcetti. How about that impossibly degrading Barney the Dinosaur hugging and kissing ritual with BLM savages who’ll be found raping those cops’ kids when the action moves to the suburbs next?
And richest of all, what about video of rioters, arsonists, and Antifas being chauffeured around the police defenses by government-looking black and white SUV’s with the license plates removed? I’d say we’re being had, from Trump to DiBlasio and all in between. Talk of “rebuilding” is meant to lull us to sleep and catch us unaware as the “Bolshevik” genocide moves to the suburbs next.
I’ll bet when he slithered off to Cuba and then China he was a good boy ! Fidel is a very charming man but how this Chimp behaved in the US would not have been tolerated in Cuba under any circumstances. He would have found himself against a wall looking down 6 rifle barrels. China would have treated him no differently.
Its the old creole saying ” A monkey knows which limb to jump on “.
They do what they do in the US because they are treated with kid gloves.
Ultimately, Robert Williams was just a useful idiot for Cuba and China, a black pimp who got pimped. These people are not the smartest on the planet no matter which country they live in.
We always had black groundhog and raccoon hunters back in the day. So yes blacks owned guns. Now it also true Frank Rizzo sent a some cops up to Newark to speak with the Black Panthers. Essentially told them you are welcome to come, but expect leaving in a body bags. Philadelphia was spared, and I don’t think the average black resident was all that upset. I miss Rizzo.
As for little old me not being upset about the bankers and revenuers looting me, you would be wrong. So I ask anyone reading this, do you know any lawyer that would challenge my need to pay estimated taxes the 15th. Given the myriad of Constitutional failures on part of the federal government this past week for failing to insure tranquility and common defense, I should have a case. Yes or no?
Team Brown, Team Goodwhite and Team Badwhite have already been selected and the riots and reprisals have already started. Welcome to the future you chose.
It seems Mr Cook wishes to replace the (admittedly deeply flawed) court system and jury trial with ‘trial by riot’. Rather than granting soneone the presumption of innocence, we should now simply ask a mob whether the accused is guilty or innocent, and let the enthusiasm with which they riot determine the degree of punishment or acquittal necessary to appease them.
Assuming these riots are indeed ‘popular’, and so spontaneous and arising from genuine and deeply felt popular discontent, then this at best would result in a few million dollars property damage, a couple of unsolvable murders, greater community tension, and so on, each time one of these ‘trials’ were held. On the other hand, given the all powerful standing Mr Cook ascribes to the corporate world, it would be fair to assume that pretty soon (if not in the current instance… ) the oligarchs would figure out how to purchase riots in order to influence this new mode of ‘trial’. Either way, the powerful get their way, but the old fashioned way leads to a lot less innocent suffering and mayhem.
I don’t really like the status quo myself, but given how the roman republic finished up, mob rule doesn’t look like an improvement.
It is amazing how fast this site showed its true colors.
George Floyd was not murdered and only morons think he was.
Non whites are not treated badly by the gov’t in the USA and only morons think they are.
The only systemic racism in the USA is aimed at white people with the gov’t and the corporations doing the aiming. Again if you can’t see this you are a moron.
If you “understand” why non whites protest, protest not riot, when one of their life long criminals dies in custody then you are a moron and partly responsible for what is wrong with the USA.
Thinking we should allow the people who commit most of the crime in our society decide how law enforcement is allowed to behave means you are a moron.
George Floyd died of a heart attack brought on by his decades of drug use, the drugs he used that day, and his decision to struggle with the police. You did not watch a man murdered and the police were only charged because the non whites were going off the reservation again. This site used to have people that understood this stuff. I guess lying about the flu drove them all away.
And you are the classic example of a low IQ non white.
The US, not to long, still had a core, a culture based on white people and Christianity. Now it’s just a hodge-podge of people with little in common. English used to be the language that tied us together, now we are trilingual (English, Spanish, Spanglish). Bye-bye America–the Chinese century has begun. America blew it!
Two groups of people have a teflon shield: Jews only have to say anti-Semitism, blacks only have to say racism. End of any discussion.
Outstanding comment.
I wouldn’t be so sure they’ll be spraying rounds. I don’t know about recent events, but years ago the JDL and similar groups possibly cross-identified with Antifa’s leadership were training in not just the use of automatic rifles, but practicing paramilitary, guerrilla tactics while dressed in full military combat gear. When the nearby white neighborhoods in harm’s way tried to stop it and prosecute the leaders, Chuck Schumer intervened and the story went away. That’s just one example of what’s out there. We must anticipate these Antifas and black racists will be armed to the teeth with fully automatic rifles and high-powered pistols, as well as very sophisticated incendiaries and IED’s, when the government gives them the green light to move on the suburbs. This should be a given, not today but early next year, now that we know the Dems are virtually guaranteed to steal the election by adding mail-in voter fraud to voting by the dead and illegals. Once Biden is sworn in, he will have to turn the administration over to his VP, which we should anticipate will be a white-hating racist like Stacey Abrams. Obama did promise a million-strong civilian army that surely won’t be manned by any of us. They’ll be going door to door to confiscate guns and using mental health to send dissenters to the Gulags if they’re so lucky to survive the rape of their wives and children.
I guess you’re new to the Internet. Nobody ever offers any solutions, just nihilistic venting to prove they’re smarter than you. Hence the term “sheeple” every five minutes.
LOL
As if Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden would be any different.
Trump, better than the Communist alternative any day.
Obi, I blocked you several months ago because I realized everything you write, including commas and periods, is a complete waste of my time. Now and then, though, I mouse over a direct response to a comment and suffer through another of your “contributions.” Thus here we are.
Daily Mail reported “92% of left-wing activists live with their parents and one in three is unemployed, study of Berlin protesters finds.” I guess these misguided souls could be Republicans, but it sure doesn’t sound like their M.O.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4200272/92-Berlin-left-wing-activists-live-parents.html
“But people do discriminate and form such communities.”
I assert this to be an abject falsehood in the main, a patently obvious one, and therefore a mendacious lie.
Voicing support of such rights will exile one from polite society, end a career, …
People are forcibly clumped together into brainwashing matrices, social engineering, a big mess…. I will not waste my time elaborating on this atm.
“Team Brown, Team Goodwhite and Team Badwhite have already been selected…”
According to Who/Whom? The fact of the matter is that our politics remain firmly rooted in ideology, and these squads are a figment of a wild imagination.
Civil War? N—–, please. Americans are generally content with how they identify within their racial, ethnic, religious, social-group, and sexual milieu. IF there is this magical standoff you dream of, it will be short-lived, considering there would be no conferral of legitimacy to the radical right or radical left at any level of government. Consider how pathologically law-abiding normies tend to be. Assuredly, devotees of the Second Amendment own more private weapons and may have taken a couple of paramilitary classes on-line, but are they willing to put their lives front and center? LOL, no. They simply vent their rage on a blog rather than go full Pinochot and throw their opponents out of helicopters.
You should know with your “get angry and hate-filled” rhetoric. If you were serious, you would practicing what you preach by hanging your “enemies” off overpasses with signs around their necks right now. But you will remain in the confines of your comfy Virginia home, content with chasing ambulances.
Understand there is no substantial, consistent groundswell of support by Americans for dividing into several separate ethno-regions. Policy wonks across the spectrum have entertained secession, but they are not actively promoting the cause for the mass consumption. Besides, if you look at the history of nation-states, partisan homogeneity is a feature, not a bug, and thus does not require a “divorce”. The normies want to make reforms within the system, not blow it up. Despite your fatalism, there is not an obvious way to dissolve our union, and “blowing up our nation to suit your fancy” requires levels of political coordination far beyond what you or Mr. Sailer or Mr. Derbyshire or the assorted cast of Alt Right/Extreme Left characters bring to the table. Several questions would have to be answered:
“How in the world would the people ‘hammer out details’ when we have difficulty getting things done now?”
“How would rights be delineated?”
“How would trade deals with foreign nations be reconstituted?”
“How would our national debt be dealt with?”
“How would we address legal decisions made by the Supreme Court”?
“Would people be willing to move from your current place of residence to achieve such a goal?”
“Would people support efforts made by the new government to coerce or force others to move?”
“How would the people respond if forced to move merely due to your ideology?”
Very true, sir, I concur.
Look at those two idiots with their fingers on the trigger, they know nothing about firearms.
I’m in L.A., aka Armageddon Central. The looting in Van Nuys occurred two blocks from my house.
The pussifed accommodations of our government toward these protesters/rioters/looters (PRL) is disgusting: apologies, take a knee, “open dialog.” Jesus, are there no real men left?
I have almost nothing in common with any of these PRL. I’m more than twice their age and we disagree on gay marriage, abortion, welfare, Obamacare, global warming, BLM, George Floyd, you name it. But there’s one thing we can agree on, and it’s the central premise of these events: the militarization of America’s police force.
I’m torn, because on the one hand I want a Caterpillar to sweep the PRL up en masse and put them on the first plane to Liberia, where I’m sure they’ll be much happier without Whitey’s oppressive yoke on their neck. On the other hand, get rid of the tanks and the bazookas and the Mossad tactics, LEO. The people signing your checks are the real enemy, not the people on the streets.
Yep. During the “hijack an airliner to Havana” craze, the hijackers received a warm welcome from the Cuban constabulary: arrested, charged, and sentenced to long prison terms. No early release or parole, served the full sentence then deported.
American decline will be worked out the way imperial decline is always worked out. It’s never pretty but it always happens.
The venting is because they are concerned. Living in clown world makes people insane because it is a reality inversion.
Since there is always hierarchy, and if an existing hierarchy has been perverted to reward… say a grabbing finance plutocracy, then the pillars of control have to be bypassed.
Since pillars are corporatism + FIRE sector that is now our ruling oligarchy, then you should direct your attention there. This oligarchy is illegitimate in that it was not voted into power, but usurped power. They inserted themselves as rulers via money power.
The lowest hanging fruit is State Banks in each state. Those states that have referendums are probably even lower hanging fruit.
State banks then gives a modicum of power back to the states, where it belongs. North Dakota’s state bank acts as a guarantor of its private banks within the system, and does not need the FED. Further, the ND model does not send state money to wall street to then be gambled on derivatives. Instead state funds are backed by secure investments in the local economy. Local economy is anti-fragile, and does not depend on centralized power located in Washington.
Another pillar of control that has been usurped is the political system, which is controlled by money and hidden string pullers. While democracy is an easily perverted system for hidden masters, rank choice voting is violently opposed by both republicans and democrats.
Why? Because rank choice voting destroys hidden control methods. The only time republicans and democrats worked together in Maine was to oppose RCV.
RCV and Public Banks are bottom up solutions., especially so in referendum states. Top down solutions that Trump could have done, would be to bypass the intelligence agencies with Open Source Intelligence. Trump could bypass the owned media by creating a public/private media truth channel. (And also revoking 1996 telecommunication act)
There are a lot of solutions. Centralized power in Washington began almost immediately after 1912. It is in the Congressional records, where Woodrow Wilson is complaining about the immediate increase in lobbyist activity, where he could scarcely walk the halls without being accosted. Prior to Wilson and “progressive era” banker take-over, the White house and Congress had little lobbyist activity, as power was centered on the states.
Also, glad to see you follow me on Twitter as well.
While he may be not as much a chinless wonder as Owen Jones, Captain Jonathon Cook shares the same type of eductional b/g. Expensive pivate schools or a selective, and an elite university, to keep, not the troublemakers out, but those who should be there by simple merit
I was fortunate to graduate (nnt in Britain) beforehand.
Captain Cook and Owen Jones seem to represent the upper-class
This is revealing. With all due respect, what kind of a sick person considers what has happened following Floyd’s homicide a feature not a bug?
Here is merely a couple of today’s headlines:
Democrats and their Allied Media didn’t just encourage people unemployed and disoriented to take to the streets to express their “rage” at Floyd’s “murder.” They have been giving them license to do so, rather obviously to exploit for the purpose of getting rid of POTUS Trump.
Want an even bigger challenge? Rise above “pack mentality”! Rise above “divide and conquer”….rise above black vs. white, man vs. woman, gay vs. straight, rich vs. poor, young vs. old, Christian vs. Muslim, Catholic vs. Protestant or Catholic vs. Orthodox, Zionist vs. anti-Zionist, and (though this is hard for me to write but I have to get over it) true believer in Jesus Christ vs. the Syn of Sat and Talmudic Jewry, and, finally, Jew vs. Gentile. There, I said it!
Because nothing enhances state power like pack mentality:
Nah man… A public menace!
Hey man, can you blame a guy for pressing them to the mat for solutions and not just nihilistic ranting? I keep thinking one day I’ll get lucky, but I know I’m pissing up a rope!
Nice handle btw funny as shit!
Ignorance on this forum is rampant indeed. So Churchill had nothing to do with the founding of the NHS you say?
In 1943, on March 21st Winston Churchill broadcast his Plan for Post-war Britain:
Martin Gilbert’s “Churchill: A Life”. Page 742.
https://books.google.de/books?id=MzytDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT737&lpg=PT737&dq=%22echoing+his+own+previous+goals+of+1908+and+1924,+and+drawing,+as+he+had+done+in+1908,+on+the+ideas+of+William+Beveridge%22&source=bl&ots=zYIWL9O8U1&sig=ACfU3U3tW0901NQwdeJ5g1Td-eNNgivcsg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJzYbgyujpAhXE5KQKHTFxAOQQ6AEwAHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22echoing%20his%20own%20previous%20goals%20of%201908%20and%201924%2C%20and%20drawing%2C%20as%20he%20had%20done%20in%201908%2C%20on%20the%20ideas%20of%20William%20Beveridge%22&f=false
Here’s one of those “If You Only Watch One Video Today…” videos:
Sounds like a song by The Eagles…..Hotel Whatever….
Speaking of “classic”, the fact is that Marxist, racist ‘Democrats’ like you “can’t handle the truth”:
Number of people shot to death by the police in the United States from 2017 to 2020, by race : https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
‘Black Lives Matter is a joke, they are the racists’ says black African woman
February 19, 2020 Compliance 101: Gun-Toting Cops Endanger Students and Turn the Schools into Prisons
“Every day in communities across the United States, children and adolescents spend the majority of their waking hours in schools that have increasingly come to resemble places of detention more than places of learning.”—Investigative journalist Annette Fuentes
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/compliance_101_gun_toting_cops_endanger_students_and_turn_the_schools_into_prisons
Feb 5, 2015 What Happened to the ‘Peace Officer’?
The concept of the “peace officer” is a myth. Those so-called “peace officers” were, like today’s police, enforcing arbitrary legislation, operating based on the claimed legal right to do things wrong for you or me, and subsisting on stolen money.
http://youtu.be/v-uKAkJtjIY
One can conclude from watching the video that Floyd died while in police custody after repeatedly saying he couldn’t breathe.
Do you dispute that?
Now, please proceed to prevaricate to your heart’s content.
for 10,000 years that has never been achieved.
I didn’t write that, but it rings true.
Not just giving them license, but joining the protests.
It does seem to me like the protests are coordinated on social media. It *seems* like election year voter manipulation, but who specifically started it? The DNC? Antifa? China? North Korea?
Only Mark Zuckerberg knows.
You know we’re fucked when we have to press 1 for English.
I was speaking in general terms, but I take your point. I have no illusions about the author of this, but am truly amazed how uniform the kneejerk reaction has been across the spectrum.
What’s your point? You’ve outlined a case based on circumstantial evidence. Do you care to establish mens rea? Would you care to show any causation that rises to a level any higher than gross negligence.
Except the people protesting police brutality don’t care about the whites victimized by police, and will often cheer police brutality against whites.
Okay, let’s say I have a serious heart condition. An escaped tiger runs past me on the sidewalk and I die of a heart attack. Did the tiger or my heart condition kill me?
It’s like all those unfortunate nursing home citizens who had diabetes, heart issues, infinite underlying conditions and all officially died of Covid-19.
I don’t think liberals understand how death works.
Who said anything about Trump?
“where a police officer stands trial as an entire political and economic system is allowed to carry on with its crimes.”
This “just” in:
“Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree
“Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere
“Why Government Doesn’t Work”
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work
Regards, onebornfree
This would be the best alternative to police (who are now all but ineffective). But then people in charge would want some sort of state authority to arrest whites who defend themselves against black crime.
They also dont care about blacks targeting whites.
Frank Rizzo was a hero and his approah reprersents the only way to deal with black crime and racism.
“George Floyd was not murdered and only morons think he was.
Non whites are not treated badly by the gov’t in the USA and only morons think they are.
The only systemic racism in the USA is aimed at white people with the gov’t and the corporations doing the aiming. Again if you can’t see this you are a moron.”
Excuse my moronism. But I actually believe that the system is bent by historical practice to leverage skin color against blacks. It’s hard to understand why the record isn’t clear on that.
At the same time I certainly agree that whites comprising a much larger shar of the population are killed more by police than blacks — however,
that is not really the issue.
The issue is proportionally does the smaller population get extrajudicial treatment because they are inherently criminal or has that general assumption been falsly applied to justify said treatment.
Again, if looking at the social structure and practice, — color and color alone is a major component. It would be nice if there was some fancy new fangled way to note the obvious based on related factors connecting the dots. It would be nice to jump and say eureka, something new — but when examining some artifact regard social construction — the stats in context appropriately applied are the way to comprehend the matter. It may be a broken record — but until the tune changes (in this case we change the social history) no point trying to remake the wheel —
the problem is having the correct wheel and you don’t have it. It is entirely possible for their to be systemic discrimination built in and at the same time those outside of the systemic practice experiencing some level of the same. For example, the hip hoppity nonsense about black on white crime — and why whites don’t get in a huff.
Well, usually whites will spill a tidal wave to find and prosecute said blacks in some cases any black. In the case of white on back crime, the wave to prosecute is a tad smaller and why social unrest becomes part of that debate. The argument unless there is outside pressure, whites will just continue to give each other a pass when the victim is black. As if one needed a second autopsy to know –
“ohh it was suffixation” afterall.
And Mr Grey was not killed by being crushed or banged around. He died because he was overweight . . . these stories are old news. What is unfortunate is that the black population will most likely pay a high price for the violence despite that very few blacks actually engaged violence.
Laugh. It’s like one black guy is acquitted of killing his exwife and whites are beside themselves in dismay as though there is some major change in the system against them. Laughing. They took the guy’s mother’s house —- black men across the country were reminded not mess with whitey. Nevermind the history of whites murdering blacks, raping blacks and nevermind seeing the inside of court room —- nevermind in that very case — the research uncovered that blood evidence was planted — nevermind that very few blacks or citizens period have the money to afford a defense that would uncover such behavior as planting evidence.
Come now, do at least pretend to have some integrity.
Jew scumbag of the day. Anti-Christ enabler.
Jews first need to destroy Christianity completely, and then subjugate all people that survive (after killing 7 billions) — and if you don’t believe it ask the 160 million dead Christians killed by Jews since 1917.
There was once another man from Nazareth who was mercy incarnate and who associated with the marginalized, the outcast and the poor. The Jews gave him a hard time because of it but for all that he declared there was only one who was good and that to enter into life that led to heaven they had to repent and try to abandon wrongdoing. There was no groups who were beyond his rebukes, none who were perfect, none who were in perpetual state of grace like protected mobs of criminals today who can do no wrong. He was a good Shepherd who told people the truth no matter if they liked it or not.
A true friend doesn’t hold back from telling you if folly is leading you to disaster. If a person truly loves you they will you what you what bad friends, cowards, will not.
So what was the violent incidident that caused the brave and innocent 2A activist to flee to communist countries? That’s a strange thing to mention in passing
Are you seriously saying that’s the same as what happened with George Floyd? Did you not watch the video? If you don’t want to be called a killer don’t kneel on someone’s neck while he ‘coincidentally’ dies of a heart attack.
Brace yourself for this truth: A person can simultaneously think Floyd was killed by a cop, support the protests, be conservative, and against the rioting/looting.
“Are we supposed to eliminate police forces all together?”
I couldn’t see why you would offer this as a reasonable question, especially after reading the rest of your comment. How would you feel if, in response to your statement,
“Both sides will not let ordinary law abiding citizens alone while they enrich themselves out our expense.”
Someone responded to you, “Are we supposed to eliminate political parties and our form of government all together?”
The police didn’t always act the way they’ve increasingly acted in the last twenty or so years. They’ve become worse with time. Far worse. I suppose I would settle for going back to “the way it used to be” when I was a boy and the police were often conciliatory, tolerant, and not quick to punish people or get them in the situation where they were likely to be punished (a.k.a. arrest, for the presumption of innocence after arrest isn’t much of a presumption… and police, understanding what jail does, and the way it fosters rather than suppresses future crime, avoided it.) Most police never used their weapon.
Seeings how I would settle for that, could you do me a favor? If we do go back to “the way it was” make sure we extend those treatments to black people and native Americans much more than it was then? (My skin is quite white and just a bit ruddy. I needed to say that.)
– So then, you deny verifiable stats which show that blacks are the overwhelming leader in crime.
– You deny the massive and verifiable black on white violent crimes & murder rates vs. the very low and verifiable violent crimes & murder rates of white on black.
– You deny the verifiable fact that whites are more likely, by far, to be killed by police than blacks.
fact:
You have no proof that repeat offender Floyd’s death was due to racism.
you said:
“Nevermind the history of whites murdering blacks, raping blacks”
– Whose “history” is that?
Claims of lynching, as far as I have seen, are a few cases absurdly exaggerated into unverifiable wishful thinking & fakery by your fellow Marxists.
– Given what you’ve said, you believe that two wrongs make a right.
A healthy state – committed to the social contract
T’hell is that? Where is the contract? Who wrote it? Who approved it?
You’er just making up crap as you go along
Nihilistic venting? Maybe from bloggers, but out there in the real world there’s typically a 3-hr wait at the gun store just to buy a pistol, and lots of luck trying to buy a pump shotgun. Here’s the deal. You and your family will not be protected by the police and National Guard when the government gives the green light to move on the suburbs. Those unmarked white and black identical SUVs say government like it was painted on the sides, seen chauffeuring rioters, looters, and their Antifa leaders around police positions like maneuvers on the streets of Afghanistan or Iraq.
You will need to defend yourself and your family from Antifas and other anti-white militias such as the JDL who have been training for years with fully auto rifles and high-powered pistols. Based on current trajectory of events and the CV19 lockdown, a bunch of white guys defending their families from being machete’d or burned to death in their own homes will be either shot or prosecuted by cops and National Guards taking a knee in solidarity with the rioters and Antifas—and this after saying excuse me as they wipe the piss-and-shit bomb slop off their faces and uniforms or get shot. Watching Barr and Wray take a knee to BLM and Antifa on TV just before some bullshit about getting to the bottom of this—only now?—almost guarantees complicity. Maybe I don’t watch enough TV news, but from what I can tell the president has surrendered the country to the homicidally anti-white POC/leftist white Dem coalition. Forget the elections if abdication is all but fact today.
There really isn’t an issue with “state power”….that really is the death knell of libertarianism. They don’t get it….”nature abhors a power vacuum.”
Mexico right now is an excellent example of libertarianism. Libertarianism equals anarchy. There are 2 kinds of anarchists…..left wing antifa types aka old fashioned Italian Black Hand types and then right wing militia nuts.
Mexico is on paper a socialist banana republic but as many note the de facto power rests within the narco state…..the dopelords actually run Mexico….they even own factions of the armed forces, federal officials in Mexico and murder cops with impunity.
Libertarianism doesn’t mean freedom it means rule by warlord. Early 20th century type Chinese warlord nationalism, etc.
Mexico right now is a libertarian paradise. Decentralized rule by drug warlords, weak central govt with corrupt politicians etc
Libertarianism means decentralized tyranny rather than centralized tyranny which in a way is worse because it multiplies the number of bad apples you must deal with….its better probably for corporations and would be capitalist oligarchs and plutocrats because it’s easier for them to bribe their way into supply chains, contracts etc.
“The response was that it was plausible that this was the best way[applying a knee and body weight to side of neck for eight minutes] the to keep a large man who might be hopped up on something from harming himself while convulsing or thrashing his head and body.”
Plausible to whom? This is only plausible to people who would defend police no matter what they do. “They are just doing their job.”
Once Chauvin had Floyd cuffed behind the back and face down on the sidewalk, he had Floyd pacified, subdued, and under control. There are a number of ways of preventing convulsing and thrashing at that point which have nothing whatsoever to do with the knee to neck maneuver.
Floyd complained, what was it, 16 times, about not being able to breathe. He was under distress and in danger of his life, and able to communicate it. Chauvin persisted and this is murder.
You care deeply about Floyd, that much is obvious. Why else would you speak of what Chauvin did as necessary to keep him “from harming himself while convulsing or thrashing his head and body”? Clearly you are decent, a humanitarian, and very, very well-informed about proper police procedure and so on. Yet what you see as plausibly to keep Floyd from harming himself, killed Floyd. What kind of person would fail to see such a procedure was risky of just such an outcome?
I think you will need a functioning police force in the very near future. That’s a police force where police strictly follow the police procedures which so long kept them personally safe and functioning strongly as an institution of law and order.
Please do not make excuses for the police who have chosen to abandon that good police procedure and chose thuggish brutality instead.
Jews
looting, looters, mobs, thugs….., indeed. in the money-printing spree of late, 5 out of 9 Trillion went to the sphere of Judeo- Zionist-controlled activities. as if a”protection money”, a cut, was handed over to the defenders of our American way of life, and our currency, and our flag, and our “National Security” at the expense of the 99% of the people. when polity is gutted from its core substance by entertainments & welfare substitutes you can do whatever you want of that mix.
Funny that the gun-ignorant still haven’t learned to avoid advertising it with copypasta as above. It’s always something-automatic and high-powered something. Hilarious.
– From Taki Mag, you’re going to love this piece by Jew, David Cole.
– Cole uses the example of wealthy actress Frances Fisher, who tries to out-Jew the Jews, tries to pretend that she is a revolutionary POC. LOL
Blacks recognizing the real enemy: ‘Rise Up Already, You Schvartzes’: https://www.takimag.com/article/rise-up-already-you-schvartzes/
excerpts:
Some sense !
If anyone (ha ha) actually manages to assemble a genuine set of reforms in the hope of salvaging something from this crashing edifice, then I too think that they must center on those three areas : the media, state-enabled (protected) intelligence, and banking. They are the three spokes of the corrupt system.
Cook maybe gets some of the media element, but is pretty clueless about the other two as far as I have read – which leads him into blind alleys politically.
Thanks for posting that Mefobills.
Chavin has now been charged with second degree murder, the other three with aiding and abetting second-degree murder, which in that state consists of having: “Killed a human intentionally, but without premeditation”. Perhaps Mister Cook can provide the prosecution with the proof he claims to have that Chauvin intended to kill Floyd.
By saying that Chauvin deliberately killed Floyd, Cook shows himself to be a dogmatist. Cops do commit intentional murder and premeditated murder too, but then again so do doctors. Far more common is that doctors and cops do not do their job very well and make a mistake. Or that they did what seemed reasonable with the facts available to them at the time, but looks like a bad mistake in view of the end result. There is no exact protocol for many situations that both police officers and MDs face in the course of their duties. Judgement as to how a rule should be interpreted is required under conditions of uncertainty by police officers and surgeons alike.
I am quite certain that African Americans are killed in consulting rooms and operating tables at a high rate because African Americans have poor health (take worse care of themselves) and come into contact with medical services more often. It is wise to avoid getting ill because then you will have to go to the doctor and that can start a serious of potentially dangerous test and procedures in which the doctors will treat you with a view to avoiding being sued, and overtreat you as a result. For what are slow growing cancers no treatment is the wisest option on average and statistically this will give you more years of life and also good years, but sometimes an apparently slow cancer grows fast, so doctors are reluctant to do what is best for you at risk to themselves. Getting into it with cops is only making them behave defensively.
Cops are also reluctant to take personal risks with themselves and their means of supporting their family . The police’s first duty is to their families and consists of not getting killed or fired. So what is going to happen is the police will just avoid arresting black people if they are the type that physical force needs to be used on.
State violence has been going on for years.
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Gun ignorant? You’re a bluff who’d disappear up his own ass like the Antifas do when confronted on equal terms. Your imbecile, too-clever-by-half play on words with “copypasta” proves you’re not half as smart as you think you are inasmuch as you’ve unintentionally identified your ethnicity without having a clue.
Corporate power needs to be in the title sentence that is truly what drives the state apparatus.
They will feed and encourage racism, misogyny, homophobia and other forms of bigotry. Why? Bigotry among wage earners distracts them, and keeps them from recognizing their common interests as wage earners.
This is a class war!
Thanks. I did give myself wriggle room as you can see. As I was aware of the Beveridge Report I said he was out of government 1945 to 1951 (during which time the NHS was created with Aneurin Bevan getting most of the credit). Of course Churchill was a minister in the pre WW1 Liberal governments which started the British welfare state IIRC.
“…the police that decide who is going to be summarily executed without a trial or a jury.”
Where is the outrage when a criminal decides when a policeman is summarily executed without a trial or a jury (criminals executed 106 officers last years). OJ Simpson had a black racist jury that let him walk for brutally killing 2 white people.
A 10% of population commit 70% of crime – that is the problem. Police cannot avoid violence that is their business in chasing criminals. On the other hand a criminal seeks the violence that he can easily avoid even in this unfortunate case.
Here’s a solution:
“I Am Your Progressive Mayor and I Think We Need to Cut Our Roving Death Squads a Bit of Slack”
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-am-your-progressive-mayor-and-i-think-we-need-to-cut-our-roving-death-squads-a-bit-of-slack
Ignorant of common internet terms too. Okay. Er, I mean, “‘At’s oKayyyy!”
Minor request: provide 3 examples of “fully auto rifles and high-powered pistols” (3 each, 6 models total) used by these legends. I want to know what the terms mean to you. Will be fun.
You are exactly right. You ought to hear them try to wiggle out of this one. It’s a fact. Class not race.
A. I think my response is clear. Using the stats on criminal conduct largely linked o specific conditions over rids the over generalized argument about color. Because the record indicates that regardless of color neighborhoods harboring said conditions have higher rates of criminal activity. Certain blacks in certain conditions as noted.
B. I think the argument is clear – again. blacks receive rougher treatment due to very specific practices based on improperly applied stats such a;; blacks are 7x more likely to do x. That is a misuse of the data set regarding criminals. And in this we are focused n habituated behavior. So n officer thinking that blacks in general are more likely to be guilted applies said standard to all blacks they encounter — result extrajudicial treatment, heightened responses to normative behaviors resulting in increased conflict, etc. there’s not real mystery here.
C. It is unlikley that had Mr. George been white, the officers would have been so brazen. However, moot point because the behavior in question by reasonable measures was unreasonable regardless of color — but it sheds light on what we have claimed was but the hypersensitive sensibilities of blacks across the country — that indeed there really is am ingrained built in bias. That helps explain some of the overload — that in o manner supports criminal conduct — though try as you might to make it appear that way.
D. Short answer – verified US history. I can’t bail enough water to stop that sinking ship — our shared history. Here’s a secret, that record is no longer a secret.
Note; your personal attacks are not only unwarranted, they are wrong. No one and I mean not even my enemies, who have spent anytime in discussion or reading my comments, would attempt to pin a marxist communist label on my lapel or anything else. Die hard capitalist and I think whites have been utterly foolish not to foster black citizens as economic partners for more than 150 years — nuts. You don’t bar people from making money or getting an education — you foster it so as to build a healthy vibrant strong community, so you don’t have to import undermining populations. I am not sure you have noticed, but you don’t see a bey of commenters who are black hanging on my sphere. I am not a liberal and unlikely to ever be one — despite my understandings regarding black ad white relations/socialization in this country. I am aright ticked that conservatives don’t own this discussion. We have been so busy playing on the shallow end of stats , .i.e, crime stats and like children splashing in shallow waters for so long, we don’t even recognize a gift horse wen its standing right in front of us. hint: (my guess) most rap songs are about getting paid — not shooting the police or getting whitey. And i don’t think that the officer intended to kill Mr. Floyd, in all sincerity regardless of color. Meant to send a message, . . . that’s a more likely truth.
E. uhhh, nothing in my commentary condones wrong, I am not convinced Mr Simpson was guilty, based on the evidence and the narrative provided by the prosecutors. And there is this, most ex’s don’t kill their ex-spouse. What I said was that whites got all upset about Mr. Simpson’s case as though it was anything but an anomaly. In my view, blacks just breathed a sigh of relief, though measured, because most people black or white don’t have the money to pay for the stellar defense he had. So if that what it costs to defend oneself against a murder charge, in this case of one’s former souse who was white —
Oy eh! i take the position along with a Texas farmer who took time to watc the tial or at least read about it, when he said,
“The case against OJ, didn’t make any sense.”
But if it costs one’s mother losing her home to white revenge politics, that’s a very heavy price to pay. So look, blacks in my view are very aware of just how vindictive whites can be, are and will be, once they don’t get their way. No I do not condone rioting. I understand it and its use.
No. i am not condoning any clear violation against anyone.
Can blacks be dangerous people —
some, a minority certainly can be and are —
Laughs. Blacks don’t buy my celibacy claims either laughing.
They are wrong six ways to Sunday.
I am sure you are not barking from Haiti or Zimbabwe but from the very USA.
‘They are wrong six ways to Sunday.”
Most of them apply definitions that are a tad narrow such that even a castrated monk wouldn’t qualify.
Like I said, you’d disappear up your own ass if confronted in a fair fight. Don’t count your black chickens quite yet, because they’re not half as stupid as your people think they are. You mention ignorance of “common internet terms,” but you show English isn’t your first language with that “At’s oKayyyy” bit of revealing illiteracy regarding American idiomatic language. You’re a troll, and probably from Israel.
Correct. The labor party triumphed in the 1945 elections. It proceeded to establish the national health , child benefit for all children, pensions for all, massive rebuilding, and everything the labor party and real economic, not crazy liberal racist progressives had worked for since the mid 19th century.
There was a significant communist presence in England at the time. But it was a college educated upper middle class phenomenon.
The working class labor party triumphed over the communist wing.
This article is straight out of the BLM talking points manual.
Is there any proof that Israelis are the ones behind the “knee in the neck” tactic used by the police?
Great comment on a great article, Parfois.
France suffers the same predicament. The abuse and unlawful killing of ethnic minorities’ members happened routinely and lead to countless riots and unrest, with the authorities and the media playing the class/race card to stigmatise the victims.
Then the “Yellow Vests” insurrection occurred, driven by a entirely different class of people, more “regular”, older, employed, of native French ancestry, from small towns and countryside, with clear economic demands. And the police forces acted the same way they did with ethnic “vandals”, maiming thousands of innocent demonstrators who lost limbs and eyes, and showing the true fascistic nature of the state’s relationship to the public it is supposed to protect.
Western states’ handling of domestic riots is indicative of why they find it so easy and natural to kill their own population in false flag attacks organised by themselves, an all-time Western speciality.
Yeah, I call bullshit. When was the last time you subdued someone the size of Floyd who was hopped up on something? He was not pacified and under control apart from the fact that three people were holding him down. If he had been pacified and under control, three cops would not have felt the ned to hold him down, and if their intent was to harm him., there would not be eye-witness accounts that the cops actually discussed the best way to keep the guy alive.
Being a Janissary in a multiracial empire is a precarious existence at best.
White nations are stable, multiracial empires are not.
Jewish Supremacy is the problem.
Got it; you’re gun-ignorant, as noted at start. Now cry more.
Ah, the jealousy of rival provocateurs.
Pity Charlottesville ‘Unite The Right’ (despite tiki torches, kakis and Nazi slogans).didn’t stage the slow suffocation death of a victim by three Police and a kindred lookout ala Minneapolis. Forget that? Maybe you can plan better next time?
Look up Operation Hummingbird (30 Jun – 2 Jul 1934). Endow the ‘president’ with emergency power and things will happen. Make sure you’re well away from the snuff, Jason.
Wait, wait. What am I saying?
Of course Jason, Guillaume, Ron and all the rest are well removed from ‘events’. Makes ‘commentary’ easy.
said:
“Pity Charlottesville ‘Unite The Right’ (despite tiki torches, kakis and Nazi slogans)”
– What “Nazi slogans”?
– You don’t even know.
– However since there was no ‘6M Jews & gas chambers’ you’re peeing in the wind as usual.
See irrational Zionist Incitatus crushed here:
https://www.unz.com/?s=Incitatus&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally
said:
“Martin Niemoller’s reminder should be a warning to everyone, especially the “patriotic’ whites who might feel protected by their brothers in uniform: “First they came for the Communists… and I did nothing because I was not one of them, then …””
– Pure propaganda.
– That’s the same Martin Niemoller, Protestant church leader, who ridiculously claimed in 1946 that 238,756 persons had been exterminated in gas chambers of Dachau … which did not exist.
Only lies require censorship.
The defence will almost certainly be that standard procedures (per Israeli training?) were being prudently followed. If that leads to acquittal what will Antifa do? More riots?
As to the fact that they must have heard him say he couldn’t breathe I am reminded of what my companion in a tent at 16000 feet said irritably when I woke with a touch of altitude sickness and wheezed desperately that I couldn’t breathe. Something like “Oh shut up; you ARE breathing”.
That’s right.
I’m actually bigger than Floyd, and was a bouncer in night clubs in my youth. One of my tricks was to allow some negroes into my clubs with the proviso that they come to my aide whenever I glanced their way. They could always see me because I am so much taller and bigger than the crowd.
Anybody who has fought a big man one on one, comes away the knowledge they are very hard to subdue. It is not like in the movies with little women taking down big men. A big man can crush a woman… pretty much any woman easily. Even getting access to weak points on a big man is hard if they keep their distance.
As a rule, I never took on big men unless I had my black posse nearby, and then it became a game of psychology. Three on one, and the one is going to lose every-time.
The black guys were always hunting white poon and thots, and they knew the score and had to help me as free labor.
Black policemen have to be present to arrest and subdue black men like Floyd. The law of jungle is there, civilization is only a veneer.
FWIW a quick search turned up this
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/minnesota-cops-trained-israeli-forces-restraint-techniques
No one should die over a broken taillight stop.
Bad things happen between cops and citizens during traffic stops. Citizens fear arbitrary arrest over nothing.
New rules – a traffic officer may not make an arrest during a traffic stop – tickets ONLY – period. What started as traffic stop, must stay that. This removes the tension between cop and citizen from the get go.
If there is trouble – the traffic cop must call another cop trained in arresting people.
It is absolutely true that in many localities in America today – the cops and courts form Jim Crow II.
Read the report on the Ferguson justice system. Targeted arresting black folks, paid their salaries.
Violence is inherent in state power? Would that be the Minneapolis police that were told to flee or the SF police that were told to stand down? Why did this inherent state power sit back and watch so many businesses burn?
This article is all the more proof that libertarianism is an anti-rational philosophy that is seeped in race denial. That shouldn’t be a surprise since their goddess Ayn Rand denied racial genetics existed despite mountains of evidence. Funny enough she though that Palestinians were savages and below Jews but all other cases of race don’t exist.
Do Icelanders need to “rise above” state violence against them? Why is it that certain demographics continue to have violent interactions with the police? Is that really the fault of the government?
Black rioters and antifa have done over a billion dollars in damage but here come the libertarians to warn about police in black helicopters. Watch out for bugaboo government you guys! It’s not the Black guy throwing a brick at your head, it’s the state that is the problem!
Good article good info
Looting is fine so long as Syria, Iraq, El Salvador, Guatemala, are the ones getting looted.
Looting is fine so long as the CIA is doing it. Goldman Sachs, Texaco, Nestle any other capitalist.
https://historicly.substack.com/p/when-the-looting-starts
Heres a great twitter thread of all the videos of police inciting violence for anyone who still doubts who the instigators are:
Cops aren’t intended to solve societal snags. They exist solely to protect the state. That requires a facade that you’ve apparently fallen for, but not for much longer.
State domination of transport avenues is its arterial system, not ours. If they lost roads, they’d probably lose all. They don’t give a damn about easing up, so long as they aren’t getting trounced beyond the gullibility of the cattle. They don’t care for your degradation-reducing suggestions. Degradation is their pulse.
This article offers a very good explanation of the situation at the deep proximate cause level, but fails, as is usual for virtually all such geo/sociopolitical analysis-oped articles, to go a bit deeper into ultimate causes that lie in geographic, technological, and genetic factors. It also offers explanation without any detailed description of how to move toward some sort of imagined “solution”, but at least does acknowledge (“Why would we expect these global forces to be sensitive to popular unrest in the US when they have proved entirely insensitive to the growing signals of distress from the planet, as its life-support systems recalibrate for our pillage and plunder in ways we will struggle to survive as a species?”), though it’s not so clear that even the author himself fully realizes his own acknowledgment, that there is no real solution, no cure but only treatment of symptoms, within the current systemic framework…the technoplex amoeba in which we all currently live, breathe, and have our being. He seems to hold, as we all are wont to do, to the hope of finding a way to maintain the technoplex system and its growth but to keep everyone happy enough or anesthetized-mesmerized enough…aka to find a way to reform the system, to do a little socio-political re-engineering, maybe implement some new policies and regs and maybe even some new technologies beyond the tech phalanx that’s already operating…to keep the system alive and well by restoring its “social contract”…keeping the masses under proper control so that the system can function optimally.
Reality is that we need a real revolution that would take us to a new non-technoplex and non-growth path, maybe back to some old paths that worked for much longer, and were a better fit of humanity with earth, than the current path that started with grain agriculture and the first states back about 5 -7 kyears ago. For that to happen it looks like the only way is for the technoplex system to self-destruct and maybe (a very long shot since this is all really looking like 1960ish deja vu all over again) these riots are going to be a part of, or a trigger for, such a self-destruction process. It is even possible that we are now seeing such a process well underway and approaching its terminus but, even if so, my bet is that it’s still another generation or two away from finality. It’s too soon now to say what will come of this latest internal disturbance of the technoplex system.
What is certain though is this: If the system does not self-destruct, the ultimate future best case outcome will be humanity’s replacement by machines or its transformation into Borg and the total artificialization of the earth, and the worst case will be human extinction and utter collapse of earth’s life support ecosystems…How about that for a “social contract”? Is it not best then to just forget about all dreams of restoring the “social contract” and maintaining the governmental form called the state? How about instead hoping and working for a fairly smooth and gradual technoplex breakdown, the ending of economic growth, and the permanent crippling of our ability to rebuild the technoplex, so that we are forced by nature as gently and painlessly as possible to some paths that lead to real freedom as a way of life in harmony with the earth, fellow humans, and all living things? Wouldn’t that be a social contract worth restoring? Well, we might get there, but I wouldn’t bet that it will be because we are wise enough to do it pro-actively.
Meanwhile, the stresses build, and whether the technoplex system can survive is increasingly doubtful.
And to do so by eliminating the need for the citizenry to resort to vigilantism to protect themselves, family, and property and to achieve justice for wrongs. In that respect, the state functions more to protect and safeguard the rights of wrongdoers.
Uh … maybe they should carry tranquilizer shots to inject into unruly bulls like this, although there’d still be some risk of someone with poor health and/or pumped up on drugs dying. Don’t the stewards on airplanes do this sometimes to violent passengers exhibiting cockpit rage? Hell, they could even start using tranquilizer guns to pacify thugs at a distance, like they do with animals escaped from the zoo.
Years ago I read that US cops were instructed to shoot to kill anyone violent who they suspected of being high on Angel Dust PCP as even shooting them in the leg wouldn’t stop them from ripping up their face or tearing out an Adam’s apple or an eye, ear or nose, with their bare hands. PCP definitely gives one the perception of having superhuman strength but to what extent that translates into reality I don’t know. There were even stories circulating of 80 year old frail grandmothers high on PCP lifting 18 stone cops and throwing them against a wall smashing their bones. Maybe urban myths? But I’d hate to think what someone pumped up with steroids and high on PCP could do. Maybe Mike Tyson knows if he ever tried this combination.
Thanks! The first paragraph says it all …
There were a few working class districts e.g. Glasgow which returned explicitly Communist MPs to Parliament in the nineteen forties and later. The Labour Party faced a constant struggle with communist entryists long after 1945 and it gave the Conservative Party a huge rhetorical club with which to strike Labour during elections by stressing its vulnerability to this and the security implications because of the cold war. (And it worked even though the Tories had worse problems with the John Profumo/Christine Keeler/Ivanov affair and upper-class communists such as the famous Cambridge five). The communist problem (and disagreements over cold war policy and Europe with their ordinary socialist colleagues) caused a minority faction of liberal MPs led by Roy Jenkins to cleave itself from the Labour party and found a separate rival party in the early nineteen eighties that finally merged with the proper Liberal Party in Parliament during the following decade. It ensured Margaret Thatcher’s victories by splitting the Labour vote as some followed Jenkins and his gang in the Social Democratic Party. Eventually, a group of college-educated entryist communists led by Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson took over the leadership of Labour and won the country in 1997. They immediately and secretly initiated massive levels of immigration.
“American decline will be worked out the way imperial decline is always worked out. It’s never pretty but it always happens.”
The world has changed, friend. Past trends in this new ideological and technological age may not necessarily lead to your foregone conclusion. And you’re refusal to jump right in and wear your (skin) uniform on the front lines tells everyone all we need to know about your dedication to the cause.
“Also, glad to see you follow me on Twitter as well.”
I’m not on Twitter.
Good analaysis. I’m surprised more people aren’t suspicious of this latest hoax crime. Especially with BLM inciting riots over it worlwide.
The so called cop involved must be the skinniest cop I’ve ever seen in uniform.
How can I get a good bet on that the three non kneelers will not be convicted of anything? Defence would be not that they were “just obeying orders” which doesn’t sound too good even 75 years on but “following established procedures [or that the kneeler was]”. But what about “I can’t breathe”? “You can’t talk if you can’t breathe so there was no reason to suppose he was more than uncomfortable.”
And no doubt an expert witness from Israel can say that they have researched this method of restraint and found no evidence of it being life threatening. (What did he die of?).
I am astonished that you call Mandelson and Blair “communists”. What is your evidence?
Wasn’t the massive levels of immigration a bit later from the new members of the EU? And would not that have been motivated by a very New Labour wish to keep labour costs down? Or do you have facts, figures and quotes to refute that?
It’s true that the question of solutions is not discussed directly in this article. But J.C. shows the direction that he means: a better police and a more democratic state that isn’t an instrument of special interests. He speaks of “a healthy state – committed to the social contract” and he speaks of a “police culture” that would prevent such acts.
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I haven’t outlined any case. I’m stating a fact. Floyd was in police custody, handcuffed. He was prone, with the partial weight of four cops pressing his body into the concrete. Floyd was saying he couldn’t breathe, essentially begging for his life. He was or was recently using drugs. He had a very minor set of health disorders common in Americans.
My point is that Floyd was killed directly at the hands of the police. Whether or not it was an accident we’ll never know for sure, but I believe it was an intentional killing. Everyone knows to let up pressure when the victim yells ‘uncle.’
Had Floyd not encountered police that day he would be alive today to snort more crank and pass more fake bills.
Are more unarmed white people killed by cops? Yes, apparently. Are blacks the victims of police racial bias? Probably, though less so now than in any time in the past. Are protests against cops warranted? Absolutely. For a variety of reasons. Cops are basically private security for wealth. Is rioting over Floyd justified? I don’t think so.
What is *your* point?
J.C. has written critically about many aspects of or societies. Maybe you haven’t read very much by him before our informed yourself about his books and where he lives. What he writes is quite reasonable. None of the points that you put in your list needs any riot in order to be implemented (I’m not going to discuss them point by point in order to see what is realistic or what isn’t realistic in your list).
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“Cops aren’t intended to solve societal snags. They exist solely to protect the state.”
Exactly. The problems and issues we see with the States law enforcement arm are institutional, and, therefore, no amount of tweaking and rule changes are going to alter the outcomes and consequences we observe.
Do your own research. It’s quite easy to find.
Peter Mandelson jokes about his communist youth to the BBC in 2002.
Blair discusses his Trotskyist student days with the Financial Times.
Andrew Neather reveals that the Blair government had initiated mass-immigration as a weapon against the Tories and conservatives in general.
It’s also worth noting that it’s inevitable that the conditions and consequences we observe and experience with the State and its law-enforcement arm will worsen as the State and its administrators further consolidate and centralize their power.
In front of many witnesses who were objecting and filming, common sense would dictate to not follow that procedure–especially for multiple minutes–whether or not it is standard or even mandated. It looks too bad. The situation called for a little bit more that mindless robotic application of training. Standard practice would be to exercise better judgement than Chauvin seems to be capable of.
A court that would dare acquit him is inconceivable. Chauvin isn’t even in jail he is in a maximum-security prison, he is good as convicted of at least third degree murder; no possibility of him being freed for a decade or more. Even if he were to be acquited of everything the Federal government would bring their own charges. The Feds will probably do that anyway.
The lungs are surprisingly high up. Chauvin had both knees on Floyd, the right knee on Floyd’s upper back had almost all Chauvin’s weight on it and was what killed Floyd in my opinion The family commissioned autopsy said said he died from asphyxiation due to the pressure on his “upper back”. A common way to die with people on top using their weight to keep you immobile is the ribcage is prevented from expanding and thus breathing halts. Mass deaths in crowd crushes are usually by asphyxiation from rib constriction.
Tastes like… truncheon!
More accurate to say he died in policy custody.
Speculation. Here’s another possibility: He may very well have sat down, bowed his head, and suffocated in his sleep, as have other persons under the influence of fentanyl.
Public police forces reduce the need for those of us with wealth and loved ones to protect from taking matters into our own hands without giving those we perceive to be perps the benefit of due process and civil rights protections. Go ahead and abolish the police and criminal justice system; the rest of us with a stake to protect won’t be as accomodating to extenuating circumstances.
Thanks. You’ve done enough research for me and simply not understood how little it does for your assertions. In particular your projecting youthful folly – joked about because of its absurdity in hindsight – suggests a wilful rejection of what is well known about human nature and human maturing.
Niemoller did not say that the number above was the number of people gassed at Dachau. What he said was that a US Army soldier showed his wife and him the crematoria, and that a sign at the crematoria noted that ~250,000 people had been cremated there.
You should represent your claims accurately.
You seem to be better informed than I am but history doesn’t seem to support your confidence in what a jury would do. Presumably the police will have very experienced and successful defence counsel and it seems likely, at least on their record in Minneapolis, that prosecutors won’t go hard on jury selection. (So maybe at least a hung jury). A jury could be made to understand that people heckling the police from the sidelines are prima facie to be resisted as people attempting to intimidate the police (even when they are not). ** ” But members of the jury you cannot convict this numbskull – if that’s what you think of him – for lacking common sense”. I foresee trouble in counsel not being able to have Chauvin give evidence where he could state simply that he was following established practice and didn’t think Floyd was in genuine distress – a view supported implicitly by his colleagues not voicing concern that he should take his knee off. The problem would be that it would almost certainly open up cross-examination on past complaints about him.
**and something might be made of Chauvin’s being conscious that his colleagues were hearing the objections but not agreeing with them.
Tomato / To’mah’to. I say he died at the hands of police.
Not at all likely. Fentanyl’s respiratory center knockout potential is greatest proximal to the administration of the dose. The further from dosing, the less the respiratory depressive action of the drug. Fentanyl is rather short-acting: https://www.drugs.com/pro/fentanyl-injection.html. Of fentanyl was the cause of death, the autopsy would have clearly stated so.
The state has a monopoly on violence, yes. But wealthy interests own the state nowadays and for me to say the police are essentially private security for the wealthy seems uncontroversial. Do you disagree?
I don’t think I’ve seriously advocated for the abolition of police. I think tremendous reform is needed, however. A good place to start would be the adoption of common standards including a mechanism to weed out the sadistic cops, of which there are many.
What’s your solution? Or perhaps you think the police are performing adequately?
The jury might be willing to find that that Chavin had no intent, but that would only get him out of the second degree murder charge not the third degree one. Loathing for Chauvin is so widespread even his wife is divorcing him, so he is not going to find it easy to get a good criminal defence lawyer to defend him. And no more than Al Capone could s he getting a fair hearing from the judge. The jury would not dare acquit him of everything, they won’t. Considering the circumstances his trial will be in, Chavin will be doing very well to end up with no more than conviction for murder in the 3rd degree and serving 7 years.
By voicing those objections Chauvin’s colleagues convicted themselves because it shows that they knew Floyd’s life was in danger. Giving they were aware of what was happing to Floyd being dangerous, the other cop’s failure to insist that Chauvin get off of Floyd immediately constitutes an offence of extreme seriousness. They will be kept in jail until the trail and offered a time served deal to testify against Chauvin.
“I assert this to be an abject falsehood in the main, a patently obvious one, and therefore a mendacious lie.”
That would be Fake News on your part.
“Voicing support of such rights will exile one from polite society, end a career, …”
Not in the heartland, the lifeblood of whitedom. There are a plethora of white communities who are quite discriminatory.
“People are forcibly clumped together into brainwashing matrices, social engineering, a big mess…”
According to Who/Whom?
Me? I wish the police had pursued BLM / AntiFa rioters (not mere protestors) with half of the zeal with which they pursued persons transgressing the so-called lockdown orders … well, at the the white ones … the minorities in a number of places continued to do as they pleased with minimal interference from the state.
When was the last time I subdued someone the size of Floyd? That’s all you’ve got? I call your bullshit and raise you ten bags more, chump.
See, Floyd was subdued. He was already subdued when this 8.5 minutes of torture even began.
There had been no ferocious battle before that, either. See, I look at Floyd and then glance over at Chauvin and I would give you credit for half a brain if you chose Floyd over Chauvin any day. I would as well. What we see, though, is Chauvin easily dealing with Floyd, who was not resisting– not at all. Chauvin pulls Floyd out of the back seat of the police vehicle– no problem. The skimpy little punk in blue pulls the big man out of the backseat of the patrol car and onto the ground– no problem. You’ve actually admitting you’re nothing but bullshit if you fail to see what that means.
You seem to love the idea he was hopped up on something. That’s been alleged to have been the case, not proven.
Floyd had bought a pack of cigarettes with a twenty alleged to have been counterfeit. That’s what precipitated his murder. That’s all. He wouldn’t give the cigarettes back when the dummies from behind the counter came out of the store and asked him to give it back. I wouldn’t have either. They called down the thunder over a pack of cigarettes. They had to juice up their story by discrediting Floyd as being “hopped up.” He otherwise doesn’t appear to have been “hopped up.” He went to a store, got some cigarettes, paid for them, walked to his car, got in. And then all hell broke out.
I’ll tell you who I think is all hopped up and in severe need of a reality check– those clerks, those police, and you.
Maybe the police really are going to get a reality check this time. It is coming far too late, too little too late.
On second thought, having been very annoyed
by the introductory part of the article. i read a little more, Fell asleep before finishing my earlier post. The words ‘upper class’ were meant to have been followed by ‘twits’.
May re-read it in detail tomorrow.
I tried but was unable to finish it.
Srsly, most of theleft-leaning and leftish people that Mr. Unz chooses to publish or republish often are saying interesting things.
Captain Jonathan Cook, except on Israel-Palestine, is never of much interest.
The Guardian, one of the many self-appointed arbiters of truth in the West and that any of us outside who read english well enough and have an IQ near, at, or well above celcius boiling point, see the harmful lies of the US MSN, TV, Guardian (Warden), on both the BLM/Antifa shit and the fake virus panic.
He also never replies to comments here.
From this article, it is clear that although he may have been fired by the Grauniad, he has certainly made their bullshit part of his autonomic nervou
I am not meaning this in the sense that I expect a reply to my comments, just stating on social background and style,
To me as an outside observer, four things are most bizzare.
1 in at leart one U.S. city with riots and looting(‘protests’) , the police drove around shnting rubber bullets at people in minor violation of the insane lockdown.
2. Your Democratic party mayors and governors ordering the police and then the National Guards to do nothing.
3. Inspired by Colon Capers (Kaepernick) the low-performance quarterback) police, National Guard soldiers, and white infants (forced tn) and adults are mimicing Colon Capers. What nonsense.
There is much more bs in and from the U.S.,
In Japan, we have no critical media, it was eliminated by the yakuza on behalf of the govt., including several assassinations, Iwas many years ago, late 1980s, threats in the early nineties.
However, outlets similar to the National Enquirer still exist. To me, the most interesting was , accurate translation, was the headline from Focus magazine.
Is Governor Koike a goddess or a goddess) of death.
The headline today was simitkar,
Some good points there, but as far as I know they still say the note was obviously fake, and you are admitting they gave him the chance to pay with good money, or leave without the goods . So he he had a way out. Also you stopped telling us about what Floyd did for getting on for five minutes from when he got in in his car until the cops arrived. He knew he had just been accused of passing fake money, and left premises with the shop’s money as change and goods they said not paid for yet instead of getting out of the area he just sat in the car until the cops arrived.
He got out is own car and let himself be cuffed and sat on the ground and then led to the police vehicle but then would not go in it. What was in Floyd’s mind I have no idea, but it must have pretty obvious to someone with the previous experience of having the law enforced on him that Floyd had, that his actions were going to lead to him being on the ground with cops on him. The unusual aspect in his case was he had cuffs on already. What are shopkeepers and cops called in by them supposed to do when dealing with the Floyds of this world? He was a man, not a child. Responsible for himself.
Haven’t my people been through enough? You’re obviously implying that to’mah’to is aberrant. Well, to hell with you, sir. It’s the best I can do for you, sir.
Tomato / Tuh’mae’to ’till I die!
“Anybody who has fought a big man one on one, comes away the knowledge they are very hard to subdue.”
Why would you speak of “one on one” in relation to what happened to big man Floyd? (Not even mentioning the fact no one has denied Floyd was big or that a big man might be hard to subdue.)
There were four cops dealing with Floyd, so it wasn’t a one on one situation. Maybe you think so because it was one cop, Chauvin, who took the lead in the murder…It was one man with his knee on Floyd’s neck? But that is ridiculous. The other cops weren’t out of the picture when the knee was on the neck, either. One had his weight on Floyd’s torso, while another was holding his legs.
I say this in reply to you,
“Anybody who has fought four other men at once, no matter how big he is, comes away with the knowledge four against one makes it nearly impossible for the one to win.”
“He got out is own car and let himself be cuffed and sat on the ground and then led to the police vehicle but then would not go in it. What was in Floyd’s mind I have no idea,”
In explanation as to why Floyd was hesitant to get into the patrol car, Floyd told officers he was claustrophobic. I don’t know why Floyd thought the officers would care two hoots about his claustrophobia, but it may inform you “what was in Floyd’s mind.”
That Floyd hung around for another five minutes after the accusations rather than skedaddling strikes me as a huge mistake, but we are Monday morning quarterbacking here. There may have been a number of reasons for waiting for five minutes. One might have been Floyd didn’t see it as that big of a deal. He may have been convinced he had given them a good twenty. Indeed, it is unlikely Floyd was part of some counterfeit ring and routinely passed bad bills. It is much more likely, if the bill was counterfeit, Floyd had come upon it through some accidental twist of fate. For all we know, we are all passing counterfeit bills from time to time. They are in circulation. I think it is at least possible this was the case for Floyd. More importantly, we really, really should be giving Floyd the benefit of the doubt now, or we are not American citizens worthy of the name.
I myself get sick of being hassled all the time for no good reason, and I hate like hell being accused of something illegal when I have no reason to believe I’ve done something illegal. I’m white, too, so I really doubt I get it half as much as someone black. I might even spend five minutes in my car cooling down after being confronted by store clerks who had the temerity to follow me out of the store after I’ve left. This just looks to me like Floyd getting a bunch of mistreatment and then getting blamed for his own murder.
“As to the fact that they must have heard him say he couldn’t breathe I am reminded of what my companion in a tent at 16000 feet said irritably when I woke with a touch of altitude sickness and wheezed desperately that I couldn’t breathe. Something like “Oh shut up; you ARE breathing”.
You didn’t have a touch of altitude sickness because there’s no such thing as a touch of altitude sickness. You may have been getting a clue from your body you were pushing upwards a little more aggressively than it could take and were risking altitude sickness. And that is a serious risk, by the way. If your buddy completely ignored this, your buddy placed you in danger of death.
There are a lot of climbers who like to think they are tougher than they really are. Same as there are a lot of police who think they are tougher than they really are. Same as police, a lot of climbers end up not being climbers any more for this reason.
What was that guy I saw just the other day, struggling to muscle up a steep hiking trail? Oh yea, that was one of the most talented people I ever saw until he broke his back and bent both knees in a funny direction.
Why do you consider him lead? Because the others were obscured from view of lens?
May have been that he had little to nothing to do with the killing of that POS.
No. As needed, I use UV light, counterfeit-pen, and microscope to ensure I don’t fall afoul of the “counterfeit” droolers. But I’m White and of superior intelligence.
Sure, Yusef.
I don’t know about US, but when I was in China a long time ago and it was awash with fake money everywhere (I even had the bank give me some fake notes), they had these devices for checking notes, and if they accepted the money that was it, they couldn’t then chase after you demanding that you return the goods. If they rejected the fake notes, you could just tear them up there and then or try to pass them off somewhere else. Nobody would bother involving the police unless you had a suitcase full of fake money. In China you could tear up a hand-full of fake notes in front of a cop’s face and tell him to “F… off” if he hassled you because you were trying to slip some to a shopkeeper.
Didn’t they pass some Proposition 47 in California where they wouldn’t prosecute thieves for thefts less than 950$ – it’s just a misdemeanor and not a felony? And in Minnesota they killed a guy for a non-serious, nonviolent crime worth 20$. It does seem excessive.
Quite so. But Floyd left the shop after the shopkeepers had told him the money he tried to pay with was no good and requested he actually pay or return the money and change he got.
I have heard of unworldly upper class people protesting at being busted for jaywalking or some such, and ending up with their face pressed into the pavement through thinking like that, but Floyd had was hardly in the aforementioned category. He knew what must follow from him walking out that shop with 20 dollars worth after he had been called on it and offered a chance to hand the stuff back.
I have been had a cashier follow me when, so he said, he had made a mistake and given me change for a bigger bill than I had actually paid with. When he caught up and explained I gave him the excess back, even though I was not certain he was right, and I have also had a shopkeeper try to cheat me by giving change for a smaller bill than I paid with, and I simply insisted that I knew what I handed over (I did) and her colleague immediately intervened to give me the proper change.
But the seller can always refuse to sell. I would not dream of walking out a store with things after the shopkeeper made clear there was no sale and the goods weren’t legally mine. Even a thief would not do that and then do what Floyd did and be waiting in his car right out side the shop for the cops to take him to jail (where it gets very claustrophobic indeed).
To me Floyd was behaving as if he wanted to be arrested.
Agree 100% – the cops and courts first order of business, is to maintain the authority of the state.
The second order of business is to maintain money flowing into the state and the legal system.
The third order of business is to keep society’s elite on the top of the heap, and the lowly in their place.
Dispensing Justice comes somewhere down the line.
Correction, the shop did not realise the money was bad until after Floyds had walked out. Then they called the cops and officers Kueng and Lane ( on the 3rd and 4th full shift they had ever worked after probationary period) Arrived. Lane pointed a gun at Floyd who was in a car with two other adults, and over his weak resistance handcuffed him, As Lane and Leung were putting an apparently compliant Floyd in a police vehicle, Floyd went over onto the ground of his own volition. Then Chauvin and colleague arrived. So if Floyd had got in the vehicle, he would not have ever met Officer Chauvin at all. Lane twice asked Chauvin: ‘Shall we roll him over? Kueng told them ‘You shouldn’t do that.’ So only Chauvin’s partner Thao did not object to what Chauvin (the senior officer present) was doing.That the two rookies are in prison hardly seems a demonstratioin of police impunity.
Wally! A nice surprise. Hope you’re well.
“Blood and Soil” [“Blut und Boden.”] among others. Plus the whole torch ritual is right out of the SA playbook. Thankfully they didn’t burn books.
Rewind the clock to 30 June- 2 July 1934 Operation Hummingbird. Rivals/dissidents murdered by the Austrian Mob Boss. Generalmajor Ferdinand von Bredow for example – shot in the face opening his door. Well?
Yes, doubtless you’ll see it there. Nothing communicating ‘Zionism’, but Wally depends on weak minds and short memories. Who can blame him?
PS. Hope you’re being paid enough.
“Correction, the shop did not realise the money was bad until after Floyds had walked out.”
Sean, don’t you see– this is odd. I use cash nearly all the time. (I only use credit cards as a convenience.) I often use 100 dollar bills, too. The cashier checks its authenticity before anything else happens. They do it immediately. Right then and there. If it is fake, nothing else proceeds. (I’ve never passed a fake, though.)
In my experience, only one clerk, who I happen to like and see fairly regularly, checks the twenties. So from my experience it is also odd these clerks checked it. (I wonder if it is usual policy in that store to do so, but I doubt I’ll ever know the truth.) This one clerk who checks twenties also does it immediately upon receiving it.
Thanks for admitting to the correction. You’re the man!
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Hmm… You’ve given me a puzzle. Career politicians ingratiate themselves with local career politicians. Hmmm.
Your “and local voters” is close to the mark. (Passing the mark, but not distant.) It is the voting, the voting, that opens the way to corruption, and to the curse of career politicians motivated chiefly by self-interest, the career.
There can be universal suffrage but no voting. Every adult in the district is on the electoral roll for the district. And anyone on the roll can be chosen, elected, not by voting, but by chance. Everyone on the roll automatically participates in a lottery which consists of simply picking one of them. Picking not by preference, but by chance. That one becomes the MP representing the district. When that member’s term has expired the same thing happens again: someone is picked by chance off the role.
The huge costs of elections disappear. The chance of winnjng the lottery twice is low, so no second term: no career politicians. The person chosen by chance didn’t have to ingratiate herself to any lobby, it just happened by chance. So lobbies become powerless.
All problems solved.
I have certainly toyed with the idea of using choice by lot to create a forum of people who, provided they fulfilled some criteria of serious attention (and I recall seeing a juror in the front row of the jury box at the Maxwell brothers trial in London in 1995 with his feet up and eyes closed!!).would choose the actual legislators. However I was referring principally to my experience as an Australian. Significant protections against buying of legislators by lobbyists exist. One is spending limits and some public funding. Another is the absence of a large racially defined underclass. (Australians have made pathetic attempts to beat up causes e.g. against the Vietnam War or to treat the problems of our tiny number of Aborigines as though it made us equal to the US in having serious problems!)
The biggest may be compulsory voting (or pretending to so 90% do) and the preferential/alternative vote system which means voting may get you your second or third favourite over the line and keep out the worst.
Perhaps as important is anything is that knowing you don’t have to persuade people to vote because it is both compulsory and easy (postal and absentee and early voting are all available) the candidate doesn’t need to spend time raising money for ads and doesn’t have to run outrageous scare campaigns to get people to vote (If they do vote conventionally it will be on a Saturday which also helps e.g. vote while doing the shopping before going to the football). One more thing about compulsory voting which my hardnosed right of centre political party apparatchiks don’t favour for obvious reasons….it means that small minorities of e.g. Right to Life or Animal Rights or Anti Alcohol fanatics can be ignored (except in rational diluted form). Two year terms exacerbate US Congresscritters problems of dependence on lobbyists’ money. I once quipped in a speech prepared for an American audience “I thank G for America, saving the world from democracy”. Just compulsory voting in America would have gone far to preventing the economic rise of China which has been so good for Australians but allowed to impoverish so many Americans (combined of course with health care costing double what it should and vast expenditures for war…)
One more thing. “Local party members” have only ever been “career politicians” in Australia in the Labor Party, qua union officials, in a party formed to represent organised labour. There has been an unfortunate tendency for candidates from the right of centre parties (particularly the Liberal Party) to be chosen from amongst those whose employment has mostly been as staffers for ministers after a time in student politics. Obviously it has its defensible side but….. And they are selected by the general run of party members in their districts, not careerists.
BTW, I do’nt apologise for one word that I said against Max von wtf. He thinks he can be an Internet detective, but is clearly lame at it.
Any further attempted attack by this fool will be met by ddtermined trolling.
Most people have never had to street fight, and imagine things. If you haven’t done it, then you are not qualified.
Floyd would have been hard to put down, and it would take at least three normal sized people.
I’m telling you these things from experience.
There was no need to keep a knee on his neck once he was cuffed and/or had his feet bound.
“Mac Donald: Statistics Do Not Support The Claim Of ‘Systemic Police Racism’ . . .
A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing, Mac Donald writes; rather, crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/mac-donald-statistics-do-not-support-the-claim-of-systemic-police-racism