NYTimes Realizes That The FBI Keeps Celebrating Breaking Up Its Own Terrorist Plots
from the not-quite-as-impressive dept
Over the last few years, we've noticed that nearly every victory the FBI celebrates against terrorism is actually about stopping its own terrorist plots that it feeds to hapless individuals, often nudging them and pushing them down the road to "become" terrorists, despite commonly displaying little to no aptitude for actual terrorism.Add the NY Times to the newspapers who are beginning to question the FBI's penchant for setting up its own plots for the sake of a high profile arrest of some clueless individuals.
The United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years - or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts.As the article makes clear, claims of entrapment rarely work in these cases, but it certainly raises questions about whether the FBI is actually protecting us from real plots or spending time creating publicity stunts that leave some people in jail. No doubt, some of these setups bust people who could potentially be interested in taking part in attacks if they had any real opportunity to do so. But, in most cases, it doesn't seem like they would ever have the opportunity (unless the FBI was helping). In one case, the judge -- even as she was sentencing the guy to decades in prison -- admitted that the guy wouldn't be a "terrorist" if it weren't for the FBI:
But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.
"Only the government could have made a 'terrorist' out of Mr. Cromitie, whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in its scope...."This is the same guy who laughed at earlier attempts by an FBI informant to get him to get involved in a plot.
There's no doubt that there are real plots being attempted. But wouldn't the FBI be better off focusing on those, rather than play acting all the time?
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...in the land of make believe
Making up fake terrorists is just SOooo much easier.
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You and Masnick are a sick bunch.
The FBI busts its ass making sure the plots terrorists are involved in are controllable, and you people just bitch.
We have not had a terrorist attack in the US in over a decade thanks to the tireless work of these people.
Freakish zealots like you and Masnick would benefit the world immensely by going and dying in a fire.
Work on that, please.
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I'm sure glad I bought that rock...
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I'm sure glad I found that tiger. : )
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It looks to me like the anti-terrorist elements of the FBI, Homeland Security, and the military industry are equal to terrorists on the "freakish zealot" scale.
The difference between the two being that the government agencies have real resources as well as political and legal power. Terrorists can only do very limited harm, but the government's potential for harm is astronomical. The government agencies have also caused, in real terms, far more damage than terrorism has.
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Seriously, this is penny-ante stuff. European intelligence services break stuff like this up all the time without a sweat, and believe me, we've had a *lot* of terrorism in Europe in the last 60 years (some of it even funded by the US!). So once again, you play catch-up and then try and act like you're doing something *so* amazing - and yet, there is so little credible threat (like from Iraq) that the FBI have to resort to making them up! And then you complain that we call them on it?
Seriously, go to Londonderry with a Union Jack on, or the Basque Country with a Spanish flag, and you'll be glad of the efforts of *real* intelligence outfits.
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Making-up Terrorists by sucking people into it and their lame attempts to control the Internet screaming about Terrorism will backfire on them.
People are slowly waking up more and more as the younger generations all have known a Computer their whole life.
There is a reason why my first punk band "The Transplants" had a tune called F.B.I. (Fat Bellied Ignoramuses).
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the land of make believe
202-324-9444 but it goes to the FBI.
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the land of make believe
202-324-9444 but it goes to the FBI.
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Microcosm
And they said perpetual motion was impossible...
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Should be a crime
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6,000 unsolved murders a year in the US...
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It's just so much easier to do it that way and then sponsor programs and movies such as The Untouchables to raise their public profile to the demigod status.
Just remember, folks, Elvis is alive and well and working as a FBI agent!
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Best quote from a judge ever! If I were younger I'd form a band: The Shakespearean Buffoons
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That's Big Brother for you, keeping us all safe from the terrorist plots they themselves created.
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Another one...
5 arrested in cleveland bomb plot
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"Vaughn winds up and delivers, and it's... juuuust a bit outside."
"And the Indians have a runner. I think I'll wet my pants."
"If that isn't Shaquille O'Neal out in left field, that ball is outta here."
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Politics as usual
Without all this terrorism, it would be extremely difficult for some of the wackadoodles in Congress to keep their jobs. If they couldn't decry "My opponent is weak on terrorism", they might actually have to have a political platform. Since it looks like TERRORISM is losing steam, I have to wonder how long before Protecting the Children rises to the top again.
It's just a dream, but maybe Congress might want to actually focus on problems it can solve.
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"Hey, I don't need this old laptop anymore. Do you want it?"
One day later...
LAPTOP FULL OF CHILD PORN SEIZED, SUSPECT HELD WITHOUT BAIL
That one would be even easier than going through all the motions of a "terrorist" plot. Promotions all around!
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Busy FBI Arrest Two More in Terror Stings
what kind of messed up logic is that? If the FBI hesitated, a suspect MAY NOT HAVE COMMITTED THE CRIME for which they' were arrested.
Sounds like thoughtcrime.
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I thought the entire point of the FBI was to PREVENT these 'operations', not ACCOMODATE them.
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FBI Supplies Cleveland 'Anarchists' with Fake Bombs, Arrests Them
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Whoa whoa whoa now. I have my doubts. Let's not all jump to conclusions here.
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But...but...
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Now, forget them, they are idiots so it's not like that could've been you, which means you shouldn't care at all.
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No shock.
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Reminds me of an old Harry Harrison book...
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Nothing more or less, really. It's like asking a squirrel to stop beating a jealous lover over the head with a nut -- it's only going to get stupider from there.
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You have to wonder....
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FBI Director of "CYBER" (lulzsec) was CounterIntelligence Director for Middle East in 2001
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appeal to fear
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Clueless comments!
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If I talk someone into robbing a bank for me, can I keep the money while they go to prison?
How about this: I'll provide all the criminals in my area with automatic weapons, but I'll take out all the firing pins so they won't work. Then I'll petition the government for millions of dollars a year to provide a security force against those criminals so we can be safe from their terror. After all, you seem to be okay with your tax dollars doing that.
Now go to work and pay more taxes.
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This is why:
http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/23/mae-brussell-charles-manson-was-a-patsy-exposed-10-13-1971/
Made more AMAZING because the Laurel Canyon gang is now part and parcel of the DC/Chicago kosher nostra mob.
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I FEEL SO SAFE NOW!
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IMO, you buried the lead
This is what makes it all possible--judges defining "entrapment" so narrowly that police have wide latitude to create the crimes they are "preventing."
Give it it's real meaning and much of this would go away.
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FBI are incompetent and inept..
FBI lucky they've got corrupt Federal Prosecutors and corrupt Federal Judges (and most fa ass Kapo Jews) on their side, cause if it wasn't for the corruption, the FBI couldn't get any real conviction/indictments.
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Problem Reaction Solution (Latin: Ordo ab Chao)
1. Create a problem
◦ FBI and others cultivate terrorists and promote the image of rampant terrorism; old families within the global elite create a financial crisis; etc.
2. Manufacture a reaction
◦ Make a big noise on the world stage as the Global Cop displaying awesome military might; make a big show of arresting "dangerous" domestic terrorists. Let the mainstream media only broadcast/print stories you approve of, or even create yourself.
3. Provide a solution
◦ establish war as an ongoing, profiteering enterprise; intimidate other nations to create an atmosphere of fear or buy off their leaders and take control of their government, resources, and economy; manipulate entire domestic economic and legislative agenda in order to funnel wealth and power upward; legislate new laws that allow unprecedented control and the ability to arrest or kill all dissenters; etc...
The latin phrase Ordo ab Chao literally means Order out of Chaos and is the moto of Thirty-third Degree Freemasons.
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