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Call animal control and have them put down.

BBC — Isabella Sorley was jailed after posting abusive messages on Twitter

No idea what the “abusive messages” were.

Anyway, a couple of questions: To date, how many people have been jailed for sexually abusing underage girls in Rotherham? Which crime is actually seen as worse in today’s UK: posting “abusive messages” on Twitter, or sexually abusing underage girls?

Still looking for answers…

Disgraced former Milton Keynes Mayor gave character references for THREE alleged sex offenders

Disgraced ex-mayor Subhan Shafiq gave character references for THREE alleged sex offenders applying to become city cabbies, it has been revealed…Mr Shafiq resigned as mayor when it emerged he had given a reference to a convicted rapist who successfully applied to become a city taxi driver. Nadeem Ahmed Kiani, who had four convictions for serious sexual offences, went on to work in the city for three years. Mr Shafiq has also worked as a cabbie in the city himself.

A cabbie as mayor? Why not!? Convicted sex offenders as cab drivers? Ditto!?

[…] supposedly feminist Labour council. The anthropologist Peter Frost has discovered that “500 girls were missing from the 15 to 19 age group at the last census” in Rotherham. “Confinement” may account for […]

A pensioner who said ‘I’m not Muslim’ when he was asked to remove his shoes at airport security has spent more than six months facing charges for racism.

Mr Griffith was allowed to go on his trip but was arrested when he returned. He was charged with causing ‘racially or religiously aggravated harassment, alarm or distress’.

I guess the Asian men who sexually abused all of those young white girls did not cause anyone “distress” — anyone of consequence. That’s why they weren’t arrested. Also apparently no one was ‘alarmed’ by what they were doing.

Andrew Green co-founded MigrationWatch with Professor Coleman in 2001

At the time, there was widespread fear of being accused of racism

Of course no one in the UK today worries about being called ‘racist’ — the very idea is absurd. And they would certainly never, ever let white British girls be raped by muslims rather than risk being called ‘racist’ — that may have happened years ago, but not today.

First libtard its true theres libraries full of research [see authors footnotes] in the relevant disciplines which has been going on for at least since Darwin and Galton.
Secondly this remark insinuating its only a matter of weather that makes one fit for an environment is well pretty retarded.The point of this article and the studies of disciplines like evolutionary biology and psychology, evolutionary genetics, etc etc is that its not a question of nature vs nurture, its all nature! Yes that means the whole liberal progressive project is a dead letter. As traits were selected for, cultures were formed that reflected those traits, eventually those cultures themselves become a selection pressure in a biological feedback loop.
So while it might be true that White people have solved the technological problems of living in northern climates and that the technology is transferable through welfare subsidies to people selected for hunter gathering in southern climes or in this case inbred tribalism in mideast climes.What we cant do is send their DNA through a 10 or 40 thousand year process where they do not inbreed and become tribal but outbreed and become democratic, where they can form large cities with their higher tolerance of strangers which allows for more complicated financial social and government systems reliant on high degrees of trust through guilt, where violence is selected out and co operation is selected in. Now we are starting to identify the specific gene s for thing like high IQ and low violence and while it might be possible to give welfare subsidies to make these people more like us why bother why not just let them be in their own environments you know diversity. Or is the progressive idea not really multiculturalism but monoculturalism?If you think it would be too in humane to send them back to their own countries LOL perhaps you could manage their countries for them we wouldn’t have to call it colonialism maybe call it the IMF united nations World bank NGOs Organized Religion oh yeah it doesnt work when you bring your culture to their lands heres a better way take away all the AK47s nikes and TVs and let them revert to natural state it would be organic

It looks like that, in addition to Bradford, the ‘search for answers’ in Rotherham must go on.

BBC — Rotherham protest: Traders call for demonstration ban

Traders in Rotherham have launched a petition calling for new laws to ban protests in the town…Charlotte Scothern, owner of the Patchwork Pig gift shop on High Street, started the petition which asks for marches and demonstrations to be measured not just in terms of public safety but on “economic impact or reputation“.

Yes, we certainly would not want anything to happen that would damage the “reputation” of Rotherham. No we wouldn’t.

Question: Has anyone in Rotherham — or anywhere else in the UK, for that matter — called for new laws to make sure that what happened in Rotherham — you know, when muslims raped underage British white girls practically with impunity — never happens again? Instead of calling for laws to ban “protests”, which can rightly be seen as free speech. Just curious.

Perhaps the search for answers needs to be expanded to include Bradford.

BBC — Council sent abused girl back home to rapist father

Bradford Metropolitan Council has paid £160,000 to a woman who was sent from a care home back to live with the father who had already raped her.

Sarah* gave evidence against her father in court about the rapes, which took place from the age of ten, but he was acquitted.

She was then sent back to live with him, where she was repeatedly raped, fell pregnant and gave birth to his child.

*Sarah is not the woman’s real name.

Almaz’s Story — Benjamin Dix and Lindsay Pollock tell the disturbing story of a young Ethiopian woman abused by her employers in Saudi Arabia

A sad story.

But somehow I don’t think they will be telling the “disturbing story” of poor white girls “abused” by muslim rapists and officialdom in Rotherham (assuming you can call ignoring underage rape “abuse”, which is not too much of a stretch ).

A future Conservative government would seek new powers to ban extremist groups and curb the activities of “harmful” individuals, Theresa May says.

Did she propose any new measures in the aftermath of the report on Rotherham? I don’t recall hearing of any.

I wonder if muslim pedophile rapists are, or will be, considered ‘harmful individuals’…

BBC — Peter Nunn jailed for Twitter abuse of MP Stella Creasy

It appears that when it concerns people who post mean things on twitter, the police in the UK are hot on the trail of the, err, criminal. For muslim rapists of underage British white girls, not so much.

So how’s that search for answers going? Find any answers yet?

Couple singing Peppa Pig tune to toddler ‘forced off bus after complaints they were being racist’ because it goes against Muslim pork ban

The couple, who live in Rotherham, started singing the song in an effort to cheer their daughter up, but say they were branded racists by another passenger and told to get off the bus by its driver…The couple claimed the woman, who they saw was wearing a hijab, took offence to the snorting sounds in the song and believed they were a reference to how pork is forbidden in Islam though this has not been confirmed…She complained to the bus’s driver, who, it is claimed, then told the couple it would be ‘easier’ for them to get off two miles from their home.

Yes, “easier”.

Not to overdo it, but…

Daily Mail: Angry MPs demand police and prosecutors explain ‘absurd’ failings in investigation into missing teenager Alice Gross

Can you — or anyone else, for that matter — find a news story about how ‘MPs demand police and prosecutors explain absurd failings in Rotherham abuse scandal’?

The probems all have one source: FEMALE SUFFRAGE

Just in case you are still looking for “answers” here:

Police open investigation as Mario Balotelli suffers racial abuse on Twitter after post about Man United’s defeat at Leicester City

As I recall, the gist of the report on Rotherham was that when it concerned muslims raping underage white girls, the police could hardly have cared less.

1. Re-instate the death penalty.
2. Apply death penalty to abusers.
3. Apply death penalty to treacherous domestic enablers/apologists.

Problem solved.

Several commentators here criticized the working-class White population for not speaking out. The following article explains how no less than six police officers jumped out of a van to assist in the brutal arrest of a working-class White victim who recently encountered her abuser on the street. The charge? “[S]uspicion of racially aggravated public order offences.” Her (alleged) abuser, on the other hand, remains a free man pending the conclusion of the essentially moribund investigation investigation into his (alleged) actions.

“Rotherham child-sex victim confronts her alleged abuser in the street… but SHE is arrested by a van load of police”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2756140/Rotherham-child-abuse-victim-confronts-alleged-abuser-street-SHE-arrested-van-load-police.html

I’m English.

ExPat though. You need to carefully re read what I actually said.

The high cooperation and trust can only work if the population is relatively homogenous.

Anon2 “I wouldn’t comment on shame cultures or immigration, but can today’s Western culture be qualified as guilt and empathy culture? Sounds like wishful thinking to me. Not when it invades and otherwise destroys other nations, craves world dominance and superiority”.

Humanitarian intervention in Syria and Iraq, but why no humanitarian intervention in Rotherham, eh?

reiner Tor, if a politician like Griffin, the most electorally successful leader the BNP has ever had, is simply avoided the issue, that is for good reason. There is no evidence Farage understands that humans have adapted to local circumstances in many different ways with adaptations that involve mental traits with moderate to high heritability, none at all (and even Enoch Powell never said that). Anyway the Western world says you can’t get an ought from an is. Probably they should make the genetic argument, if only because it can’t do much harm, or good. A half-century trend of accelerating immigration shows that no argument will work.

IC, “If your view or conclusion agreed by mostly underclass people (i.e Low IQ types), your intelligence is in question.”

For the highly educated, facts do not determine values. But those of dominant socioeconomic status have a deep suspicion that the white masses don’t understand that moral advanced position. So the social sciences (including economics) strain and torture the data to prove that their values are a logical deduction from the facts. Hence Rotherham.

I’m sorry, but it does sound racist. Not in sense of criticizing immigrants from South Asia. But the article sounds like those claiming moral superiority of *so called* Christian society. Police in Rotherham have failed to prosecute a rape gang for 10 years, haven’t they? Come on, let’s blame it on immigration, no guilt or shame for police and authorities.

I wouldn’t comment on shame cultures or immigration, but can today’s Western culture be qualified as guilt and empathy culture? Sounds like wishful thinking to me. Not when it invades and otherwise destroys other nations, craves world dominance and superiority, corporations making poor more poor. So much for immigration from countries that used to be colonies or invaded. But sure, we only should be ashamed in front of our military and business partners.

Scholarly advice: If your view or conclusion agreed by mostly underlcass people (i.e Low IQ types), your intelligence is in question.

Present as scholar article is by no mean a true peer criticallly reviewed scolarship. Especially make assumption without true data or fact, all just based “gut” feeling is no different from average folks.

A true scholar should possesses scholar IQ (at least above 125). If not, better stay away from scholarly investigation. To make thing easy, just measure the head size. If not in x-large range, do not even try to become scholar.

Farage got tied in knots

This actually means that Farage knows the answer, doesn’t it? So Farage must know why immigration is bad, and he is pushing for less immigration. This at least gives us a chance that he is pushing for less immigration for all the right reasons, doesn’t it? OTOH this makes the interviewers not merely wrong, but also evil: they know the truth, yet pushing for more anti-racism…

Maybe Shaun Wright can help you look – seems he’s out of work now.

The real question here: why so many children got abused for so long while police and families were looking the other way? There were extensive reports in Rotherham over years and nobody moved a finger. The victims were treated with contempt, people who raised concerns criticized and suspended. And even after the scandal, nobody took responsibility. THIS ONE is the culture everybody should be wondering about. Where is your guilt and empathy, people? Missing. You can claim your cultural superiority to those Asian boys, but I’m sorry, you’re still their accomplices.

However, the scandal forced the South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner to resign, after calls from residents and politicians. Isn’t it a textbook shame culture?

I think you’ll find that up here in Canada ethnic groups do tend to, if not ghettoize, at least self-segregate quite distinctly. The ‘burbs of Toronto and Vancouver, now minority-majority cities, as they say, provide examples of this. This ethnic togetherness is quite natural, of course, but it also plays out, perhaps more disconcertingly, in the business sector. For example, you may recall a truckers’ strike in Vancouver a few months ago that effectively shut down the port of that city. A truck driver who used to run his own trucking business there told me that South Asians had essentially taken over those businesses by constantly underbidding white truckers for years and driving them out of business. Now that they control the industry, they can strike and apply pressure to bring the wages back up to what they were before. This has not made them very popular though, as you say, they were just acting like human beings.
The Chinese grip on real estate in those cities is another example and has contributed significantly to making home ownership close to impossible for the white middle class.

A short-term solution to prevent the obscenely widespread rape of children sounds like a reasonable start to me. I’m all for real explanations and entirely support Mr. Frost’s research and presentation of hypotheses. The fact remains that we have a very very serious problem on our hands right now that requires immediate attention. What are the visible, tangible causes of this problem? Unfettered mass immigration and Islam. Let’s deal with those right away. We cannot afford to wait for our savants to unravel with final certitude the inner mysteries and workings of the human psyche. We are at a very definite historic juncture in the development of our society and, like at every other juncture before this, we cannot hesitate to use the effective means we have at hand. What other choice do we have? Sit back and wait for the perfect solution? When was the last time you saw one of those in human history?
Mr. Frost’s analysis suggests that the evil is already firmly installed at the heart of our society and that tackling multiculturalism and Islam is an ineffective rearguard action. I agree that we have most certainly placed ourselves in a terrible situation through our misguided immigration policies. As to how effective that action can be…….well, history is replete with examples of societies pulling themselves out of a death spiral. It is, however, equally replete with counter examples.
And when I suggest we put an end to mass immigration, I certainly mean to include folks from Africa and the Caribbean.

Of course, Islam could make things worse by being a less than intelligent religion.

No, Ed Balls was pushing before that. In fact the Conservatives were saying On migrants, Balls ‘is to right of Enoch Powell’: Tories condemn would-be Labour leader. The Tories are a capitalist conspiracy, and UKIP is not that different. Farage got tied in knots just trying to explain why he might prefer a German neighbour to a Romanian neighbour. No politician can say that there are differences in behaviour between Europeans and non Europeans that are due to a genetic difference between Europeans and non Europeans. The interviewers know this, they are the ones who bring up race differences. On Newsnight Paxman asked the BNP’s Griffin if he would object to white south African immigrants , or to a his daughter marrying an Asian or African. They were trying to draw him out on genetic racial differences. What Peter is saying is considered evidence of a mental disorder, if you say it in public. The mass of the public, even the anti immigration consensus, don’t accept there are behavioural differences between English and Pakistanis stemming from genetic adaptations.

Thanks for the correction, I won’t repeat the false information any more.

However, as far as I know, in India, Muslims are lower class, and the reason could be some sort of self-selection among people converting to Islam, because jizya (the Muslim tax on non-Muslims) was a kind of head tax, and so rich people just paid it easily, whereas poor people rather converted to Islam. This is why Coptic Christians in Egypt are elite status almost as much as Greek Orthodox Christians, even though Coptic Christianity started out as the religion of the poor masses while Greek Orthodox Christianity was the religion of the ruling elites before the Islamic conquest. But all poor people converted to Islam, and only rich Christians stayed Christians. (This might have been a reason for the relative elite status of Jews – poor and less-intelligent Jews tended to desert the religion/ethnic group, and converted to the dominant religion, be it Islam or Christianity.)

This process is described by Greg Clark in his new book, and I think it is a very good explanation for why Muslims tend to be socially so much worse off than Christians (and other religious minorities) in their midst.

So this means that, at least in a country formerly ruled by Muslims, Muslims of the same ethnicity will tend to be on average lower IQ and poorer than members of other religious groups.

The whole world would be looking to Canada as an example, if Canada had been able to make the Native Amerindians into a community of doctors engineers and young professionals . But they didn’t, they brought in people who would be cheaper. Which is what the rest of the world is also doing.

I would point out that although you can not avoid being caught on a security camera in any urban area of Britain , our police pretend not to notice Muslims in Bentleys (doctors can’t afford a Bentley) cruising around town centres and waiting outside schools for little white girls. And those fathers who dared protest about what was happening to their daughter were the ones who were treated like scumbags.

The difference on UKIP stance on immigration and Labour stance on immigration is that UKIP is the party to launch the question into the public arena and Labour is the one which begrudgingly had to follow suit. Labour was forced to it after pressure from UKIP forced the Tories and then pressure from UKIP and the Tories forced them as well.

Sikhs in UK, who are the same ethnicity as the Pakistani muslims, and also working class dont do this – in fact Sikh girls are also preyed upon by these muslims

Suppressing Islam is just a short term solution. It might be OK to support a politician with a chance of grabbing power right now, but Peter Frost is an anthropologist, and he needs to find real explanations.

If you stop immigration from Islamic countries, but redouble on immigration from the Caribbean or from non-Muslim parts of Africa, you might make the problem just as bad or even worse.

Canada selected her immigrants better. High caste Indians and upper and middle class Pakistanis move to Canada, and they become doctors and engineers. Low caste Indians and lower class Pakistanis move to the UK, and they become an underclass. On average, the average Pakistani in the UK is way more similar to the average Pakistani in Pakistan than the average Pakistani Canadian.

Why is it so difficult to understand?

UK Hindus are mid-level castes like Gujurati Patels – ( mid-level farmers )
UK Sikhs are Punjabis of working class background, Jats ( mid-level farmers )
same ethnicity as the Mirpuri Pakistani muslims – Difference is religion –

The british ruling class, had a pro-muslim bias and deliberately imported 4 times more Mirpuri muslims than Sikhs for industrial labor

For islam, infidel women are legitimate targets –

In Europe, North African, Turk, muslims predate on white women

I read about one girl victim who was from a middle class home and went to a private school, but she was adopted. Most of the gangs (few of them have been convicted) steer clear of girls under 13. When the girls get too old at 16 or so they are sometimes used to get the younger girls involved. The pimps have a variety of ploys. Pakistanis in northern England tend to be descended from low class immigrants who left a couple of rural regions of Pakistan. There is a dual standard with arranged marriages and Pakistani girls being supervised in their communities. The Ali G character is the other side: an asian trying to act like a black gangsta.

UKIP is an anti European Community party. The EC is supplanting the authority of the UK nation state, the Crown. UKIP’s main policy (leave the EC ) is actually quite close to the views of many people in the Conservative party. The City of London types want the EC to leave them alone, and their people (the top Conservatives) are beginning to ostentatiously toy with the idea of leaving to get concessions from the EC, so the city of London can continue as a hypercapitalism fox with freedom in the EC hen roost. Will Britain really leave the European Union?
“Is it conceivable that Britain will leave the European Union? A few years ago this question would hardly have been worth asking. In the past 12 months, however, the issue of EU withdrawal has shot into the British political headlines. The latest, and apparently most authoritative, such headlines appeared this week, after a pugnacious speech by George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and second most powerful figure in the British government. Reuters headlined the Chancellor’s comments like this: “Reform or lose us as a member, Osborne tells the EU.” The Daily Telegraph highlighted the same message: “Osborne warns Britain may leave EU over reform failure.” The BBC headline concurred: “Osborne – Don’t force UK choice between euro and EU exit.””

Anyway, you can’t really describe UKIP as anti establishment. The stereotype of their leadership is they are the golf club crowd. It is true that they are starting to explicitly call for strong controls on immigration. But even the Labour party are doing that now Miliband shifts immigration policy, saying Labour ‘got it wrong’.

No politician with a sniff at comming to power will say that people from other countries are biologically different and will behave differently in society (especially when they form their own communities within the society) for the reason that I gave in my comments above. Claiming that you are just against Islam is a way to get round the reigning white ideological principle that the unenlightened white default is animus toward non whites. So all this quoting from Islamic texts about right hand sexual abuse is bowing to the ‘you must never say that immigrants’ behavioral propensities are, all other things being equal, not the same; and it’s genetic.

Buddhism is quite a bit different from Christianity. Take a look at this. And what they were protesting about was Muslims merely marrying their women. (There is another, really horrific, video if you want to look). Now your average white western Buddhist does not do that kind of thing, does he? People in the west who become Buddhists tend to be highly educated, high IQ types. There is a difference between the affluent whites and the white working class; and yet more difference between the white working class and the white underclass. No one denies the within population differences for IQ. Heritability within groups is OK to . But no one will acknowledge the heritability of differences between groups. They prefer to defer to authority, and put immigrant behaviour down to their bad ideology (like Islam). That is what you are doing Georgie; you’re giving ground under authority’s threat to call you a racist.

If I follow Mr. Frost’s line of argument correctly, I seem to be getting this:

The problem in our society now is “the mass migration of certain communities from an environment where behavior is subject to certain checks and balances to one where these are virtually absent” and these “differences keep us from becoming interchangeable units in a global community.” Sounds like a problem with multiculturalism to me. But ‘multiculturalism isn’t to blame. The problem is elsewhere.” And Islam isn’t to blame because “many of those (people) are no more religious than the rest of us. You won’t solve this problem by banning radical Islam or Islam in any form.” So there are serious differences somewhere but they aren’t multicultural or religious. They’re actually very hard to find because these people with the differences “have assimilated to a great degree.” But, here’s the rub: “Maybe they aren’t assimilating as you would like them to assimilate.” So the problem seems to be that we are being unfair and irrational in our expectations for foreigners to fit into our society. And why is this so unfair and irrational on our part? Well, (take a deep breath now) because “… for almost any individual difference one wants to assess in the psychological realm, the percentage of within-population variance that can be attributed to underlying, within-population, genetic variance is about 40 percent, plus or minus 20 percent. (The mass of studies which has accrued over a long period suggests that heritability for cognitive abilities is probably on the high end of that range, heritability for attitudes is probably on the low end, and heritability for personality is about in the middle …” So what’s to do? Well, you see, it’s like this: it’s kinda hard “to translate the explanation into applicable solutions. To go from one to the other may involve surmounting mental and political obstacles.” Yes, indeed, “the whole issue is a messy ball of wax”. Thank you for that, Mr. Peter Frost.
1400 young girls have been gang raped by Muslims in the single town of Rotherham over the course of the last decade. Numbers aren’t in yet from other English or, for that matter, European towns. I, who am definitely no enlightened anthropologist, would say that we have reached critical mass here and the pussy-footing and theoretical fine-tuning needs to be put to the side for a few moments while we implement no-nonsense policies putting an end to the multiculturalist social engineering project which is killing the West while doing horrible things to our children. Mr. Frost may claim that the real problem is deeper than multiculturalism and Islam, but if we could just deal with those two for the time being, immediately halting mass immigration, placing severe limits on the practice of Islam in our countries to the point of encouraging emigration and instituting merciless draconian laws compensating the lack of psychological guilt in our assimilated immigrants with a heavy dose of legal guilt, we would undoubtedly create a safer environment for our womenfolk and our children and then we could sit down and have a civilized discussion on genetic variance and heritability for attitudes which I, for one, would definitely be curious to follow.

Given that at least 10% of British voters are non-British in origin, the 30% (actually nearly 33%) means that almost 40% of the British support a heavily anti-immigration party (whose leader actually told the public that immigration was not primarily an economic issue but at least as much a cultural issue of keeping Britain British) which is perceived to be anti-establishment. (You can also add to that the vote of BNP and some smaller splinter groups.) Also take into account that Scotland has very few immigrants and UKIP is very weak there, this could mean that in spite of a very strong establishment propaganda nearly half of all non-Scottish Britons voted for parties whose main issues were leaving the EU and stopping immigration. You can imagine the level of discontent there. It also shows how difficult it is for the electorate to get its preferences through the political system.

That’s what happens when you Ghettoize your immigrants (like the UK does). Look at Canada and its large Indian and Pakistani communities who constitute as the country’s LEGIT doctors, engineers, and professional youths of all kinds.

In Canada you get treated like a human being and therefore you act like a human being. In the UK you get treated like some scumbag terrorist (or in the US how black and Hispanic population are automatically treated as criminals) then you’ll act like a scumbag/criminal/etc. etc. etc…..

If Canada (with its 20% immigrants for a population) can do it…why not the rest?

Frost, they’ll never form a government, even with 30%, because of first past the post. The popularity of UKIP is evenly spread such that it never reach a critical mass in constiuencies to secure the seat. The electoral system is rigged.

I’m not banking anything on them, the reason I cited them is because you said there’s a preponderance to defer to established authorities, when the fact that a new party like UKIP, a right wing anti-immigration party, can do so well in elections is a testimony against that point.

Big question that I don’t see addressed in these discussions: what kind of girls fall prey to these pimps? I suspect it’s often girls from unstable homes (ex. abuse, parents having a different sexual partner every week, etc.). Sadly, the same kind of girls who fall prey to serial killers – look at, for example, Robert Picton who killed a bunch of street prostitutes in Vancouver, Canada, or the late mass murderer Clifford Olson, who preyed on runaway teens. Girls whose families might not be in the picture or might be so embroiled in their own problems they don’t or can’t stop their daughters from going down the wrong path.

“If this behavior in the UK is caused by culture or ethnicity, then why isn’t it happening in the US?”

In a word, “firearms.” Of course, it is happening to a degree in the U.S., but only to those who have been completely abandoned by their caregivers. There were British fathers who attempted to intervene, but they were brushed aside and ignored. Nothing for them to do but go home. An American father, on the other hand, goes home… and gets his gun. Then bad shit happens. But it gets noticed. Not so easy to marginalize and ignore a problem when it comes with dead bodies. Sometimes, violence is the answer.

“If I had to choose a single word, it would be “seducer.” The girls in question were seduced before being gradually brought under control and ultimately confined.”

And there’s that semantics battle I was talking about. One does not “seduce” preteen girls, they are unable to give consent; any type of sexual relationship with them is abuse, and intercourse is rape. But you paint it up as pretty as you can so we can all pretend that what’s happening isn’t exactly what we all know it is.

Guilt (being punished) is different from shame (being despised). Both can be mere external or internalized. Both can be integrated in an ethnocentric or in an universalist value system.

Oh, my goodness, but you haven’t the faintest notion of what you’re talking about.

Self-selection of immigrants. Pakistanis from different social classes immigrated to the UK and to the US. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the Pakistani immigrants in the US are usually middle class or upper class types, similarly to the Hindus who are usually from higher castes. (AFAIK Hindus in the UK are also way higher caste than the general population in India.) That is not true of Pakistanis in the UK, who tend to better correspond to the average of Pakistan.

Simply isn’t true – all this talk of ‘weak kinship’ or ‘deference to perceived authority’ are just stabs in the dark at trying to postulate causality. You write as though this is a congenital trait – where’s your evidence?

The fact of the matter is that it’s very hard, nigh impossible, for minority political parties to break through in the UK: first post the post, the electoral system in the UK, effectively rigs the election in favour of the two major parties. How can a party like UKIP, that won the European election with 30% of the vote, not have a single seat in Parliament? And yet that’s the state of affairs currently in the UK; the fact that UKIP can win an election, where only 10 years ago they hardly registered, completely makes redundant your point about ‘deference to authority’. You can’t make changes to the establishment if the system is completely intractable. 2/3 of the white population of London voted for ring wing parties (predominantly UKIP & also Conservative), whilst 2/3 of the ethnic population of London voted Labour. London is only 45% ethnic English now, a decrease from about 70% in the late 1990s. The demography is stacked against the population.

(Incidentally, all your talk about intellectuals – journalists; economists – is irrelevant. The vast bulk of the population isn’t sitting waiting to receive instruction from the UK’s intellectual doyens; nobody, apart from other intellectual middle class types, gives a monkeys what they have to say.). If you’re talking about how people talk in private, that they discuss immigration in guarded tones, then the only thing you can go by are anecdotes – so tell me, where are you anecdotes derived from? Because believe me, as a man from a working class area and upbringing in west London, you couldn’t be more wrong.

Sorry, you can not change the definition of words and say that now “assimilation” doesn’t mean what it is still defined as in the dictionary — it, “assimilation,” instead means young Muslim men changing. Total Orwellian nonsense. (Because young Muslim men don’t assimilate, we’ll just change the definition of “assimilate” in order to say that they do assimilate.)

The South Asians in UK doing this are Pakistani muslims. In the USA, the same Pakistani muslims drive cabs – The other South Asians in UK, such as Sikhs and Hindus dont do this. bcos, this is part of islam – Right Hand Possession rule – meaning Ok to rape kafir Infidel women. In UK, Hindu and Sikh girls are also victims of these muslim Pakistani. In Silicon valley, most are Hindus and Sikhs, not Muslims

If this behavior in the UK is caused by culture or ethnicity, then why isn’t it happening in the US? South Asians are considered to be a model minority in the US, regardless of their religion or region of origin.

The stereotype is that they’re working in Silicon Valley, not gangbanging in the ghetto or molesting kids.

Complete and utter rubbish. You Americans don’t half talk some amount of rubbish – England is balkanised; there’s no ‘suicidal’ levels of altruism – polling data continuously shows that Britons, upwards of 70%, want immigration completely halt. I kid you not: you can literally draw a line on the map of northern towns, like Bradford, Leicester or Bolton, that clearly demarcates English areas and Asian areas.

The English more or less invented individualism. Atomic family structures and whatnot.

I will try to keep this long. Britain is a high trust high cooperation society. You see this with the formation of new team sports, the island mentality of inviting in assimilable well behaved migrants and dissidents.

Furthermore you have the progenitors of the American pioneer the settler and the explorer. These sorts of endeavors require suicidal levels of altruism.

The Pakistani is a hive mind tribalist clansman. The English have a nasty habit of getting rick rolled by influx groups of tribal clans. The Scandinavians are even more trusting and docile.

“The culture the immigrants come from could exhibit serious pathologies.”

In a new situation in a host country, an immigrant community’s particular average behaviour (stemming from interaction of genetic propensities and social environment) could be either adaptive or maladaptive. We can’t say something is a pathology just because we don’t like it.

“Such immigrants will remain in their silos and not absorb the values of their new countries. So any bad behavior they exhibit cannot be blamed on racism. ”

That argument has nothing to do with the case (though it is true in relation to intra immigrant community problems like genital mutilation and honour killings.) We are talking about the way the immigrants’ problems obeying the law of the land are attributed to racism by the indigenous host community.

For instance:-
IF you leave university and you are 'Bame' [black, asian and minority ethnic group], you are still more likely to be unemployed one year on," said Kerr, ascribing the problem to "that subtext of what you don’t know… I think it’s unconscious bias. Some employers are being really truthful about it already”

Precarious work, protest masculinity and communal regulation: South Asian young men in Luton, UK”

“This article presents an argument about the reactions of young South Asian men to their economic and social exclusion. In a labour market increasingly characterized by insecurity, where bottom end service employment often demands a feminized ‘service with a smile’ performance, young working class men from minority communities are often disadvantaged in their search for work. It has been argued that in these circumstances a version of protest masculinity and involvement in urban unrest are typical responses. This argument is explored in a racialized minority area of Luton, where right wing organizations attempt to provoke street-based reactions by young men. Instead, ‘radical privatism’, constructed through communal regulation, is a reaction to exceptional provocation, although young men’s involvement in low level street unrest is also common in more ‘normal’ times.”

An example of unrest in Luton: a 13 year old girl was raped and her community had a mass protest outside the police station to stop them releasing a Muslim suspect. The release was stopped by the protest and a suspect was later charged. The protest was by Sikhs.

As development economist Paul Collier notes in his excellent Exodus: How Migration is Changing Our World:-
‘However, while multicultural policies permit and encourage immigrant groups to preserve their cultural and social distinctiveness, policy towards the indigenous population is necessarily quite different. Well founded fears of the potential and reality of anti immigrant discrimination require government to strongly oppose the equivalent networks among the indigenous population. Prior to immigration the social networks that exist are, inevitably, exclusively indigenous. Antidiscrimination policy essentially forbids such networks: quite properly, they have to become inclusive. […] It is easier to build social networks within groups—what Robert Putnam calls “bonding” social capital—than between them— “bridging” social capital. It is also easier to build social capital in small groups than in large. Hence the conjunction of multiculturalism and anti discrimination laws give rise to a paradox … by force of law indigenous social networks are required to convert from “bonding” social capital to “bridging” ‘

There is no way to have a single culture and moral standard for both immigrants and the indigenous. The immigrants are judged by different standards, in consequence they act as a wedge on the indigenous communities. For instance the police in Rochdale and many other places have stopped enforcing the law against men having sex with 13 year old girls; the law was against what immigrant men were doing to the indigenous girls so the crimes are redefined as consensual relationships.

What a load of BS – I always come across these sorts of pseudo-psychoanalytic diatribes from yanks, as though they have a window into the (’emasculated’) British psyche. (Try coming to a football match and accost the natives as a bunch of pussies – you’ll be slapped black and blue before you could scream “I’m an American!” – this is nothing to do with emasculation).

I don’t know what you people expect? Militias? Paramilitaries? Get a grip. This isn’t the wild west. This particular tragedy was without recourse: it’s Pakistani gangs street grooming vulnerable white girls. These gangs are organised and the institution that’s supposed to be policing them – the police force – was found to be inept.

[…] Frost writes regarding the Rotherham […]

It is not too surprising that the Pakistanis still view their native British neighbors as alien. It is not surprising that they have no qualms victimizing attractive yet alien young women given cultural norms in Pakistan that despite one generation of moderate assimilation still prevail. It is a real head scratcher that other white working class people in the community don’t rise up together. The police are mostly white working class from this community. If they collectively stood up to the PC bullies, this would have stopped.

So why do Western Europeans have such low abysiah, as Ibn Khaldun would say? I don’t think the Jews or Cultural Marxism really explain the collective lack of community thinking.

This is one of Frost’s best posts yet. The way he can find scholarly research articles to bolster his arguments — I had no idea such articles even existed — is truly impressive. Hard to imagine that his analysis would not be highly influential if it were more widely known. Do him (and our society) a favor by linking to this post when you comment on articles on related subjects in the mainstream press. “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.”

“There may have therefore been selection for young men who can exploit sexual opportunities, if and when they arise, via specific personality traits.”

What a politically correct way to say “rapists.” Ironic that semantic arguments are so frowned upon, when an entire culture is in decline because it is losing a semantics war.

I believe it is time to openly declare myself a “cultural supremacist.”

The haters of the White Christian West, over the course of decades, in order to make Europe increasingly non-European, have promoted the importation of a resentful, smoldering, culturally incompatible underclass, while seizing every opportunity to throw gasoline on the flames of racial discord. Why wouldn’t the establishment react with a yawn when 1400 white girls are forced into prostitution? (Think of the victims as “comfort girls” for the shock troops of the invading army.) They don’t regard this as the monstrous calamity that it is, they regard it as progress.

The truth is, these third world enclaves are doing exactly what the social engineers brought them here to do.

If humans have not adapted to local circumstances in many different ways with adaptations that involve mental traits with moderate to high heritability, then any problems that immigrants have must be due to the culture of a host society, and any problems fitting into the society that immigrants encounter due to the host societies being racist.

The only way to refute the accusation is to say that immigrants have different hereditary propensities, but if you do that you are in effect saying the immigrants are not interchangeable with the host population, which is racism.

Not at all. The culture the immigrants come from could exhibit serious pathologies. If immigrants come as individuals (or in nuclear families), they will try (or be forced) to assimilate into the host culture. If much larger groups immigrate en masse, they could end up in cultural ghettos if multiculturalism is the norm in the host society. Such immigrants will remain in their silos and not absorb the values of their new countries. So any bad behavior they exhibit cannot be blamed on racism. But neither can it be blamed on defective genes, not without ignoring various other factors.

The Anonymous populated itself there.

Harry Flashman had to be re-entered each time. Very laborious.

I predict a gendercide too.

Every male Pakistani killed and the women divided up as spoils or repatriated. Same medicine for the Muslims from Nigeria and Somalia.

I reckon a Breikvik sort of event is highly likely at this point.

The authorities should have prosecuted this stuff before the recession in 2008. This is probably going to lead to a massacre. The Authorities sat on this for far too long.

You are confusing the mating game with something else.

Working class whites would massacre pakistani men if the British government turned a blind eye for a week.

This is coming from central government. It’s a legal restraint on a pogrom of blacks and browns in the UK.

Ergo it’s genocide. Specifically of the working class English.

It would not be the first Harrowing.

Orwell warned us.

Johnny Foreigner knows that working class whites are prey.

The consciousness of Jewish elites in the UK is very dimly understood by poor whites. Middleclass whites are generally either philosemitic or displace anti semitism into Anti Zionism. I can’t speak for the upper class. They are more or less in business with Jews at that level.

A few points.

1. This must end in massacre. Probably a gendercide of either white males or brown males.
2. This is biologically based. White female flesh is almost universally lusted after in our species. Let’s say that paler flesh tones at least.
3. Once the men of either racial group start the massacres nothing will stop it.

I think another reason the Muslim pimps don’t go after Muslim girls, is that the girls father or brothers will probably come after them. I don’t know what happened to the English, maybe the best of them emigrated or died in their many wars, but they appear to no longer have a backbone.

If an enraged Muslim father goes after a Muslim pimp, the British police will do their best to look the other way or, failing that, to let the father off with a slap on the wrist. An enraged White father who goes after a Muslim pimp can expect to be vilified by the media, aggressively prosecuted by the British “justice” system, subjected to involuntary psychiatric “treatment,” have their children and property taken away, and deliberately imprisoned alongside violent Islamist radicals.

Nor is this disparity limited to sexual abuse. Consider, for example, what happened during the riots which rocked Britain during August 2011. When Asian communities formed self-defense groups
that violently expelled would-be rioters and looters from their neighborhoods, their efforts and “community cohesion” received fulsome praise from the British government and media. When working-class White communities (or even individual working-class Whites) engaged in the slightest attempt to protect their communities, property, or personal safety, British elites denounced them as racist vigilantes and sent in heavily-armed police units with orders to subdue the White residents by any necessary means. The same police officers who hesitated to use even the slightest force against Black rioters had no problems using overwhelming force to subdue White shopkeepers trying to protect their businesses or White pedestrians fighting off mobs intent on literally stripping them naked in the streets.

The inaction of working-class Whites stems not from indifference or even a fear of the Muslims (or Blacks) themselves; it stems from a fear that the UK’s upper-class liberal and Jewish elites will send swaggering bully-boys in blue uniforms to ruin their lives and take them to jail.

One more point on how much Islam has “assimilated” in the UK:

“Remarkably, zero percent — yes, zero percent — of British Muslims believe homosexuality is morally acceptable.” Shadi Hamid citing the May 7, 2009 Guardian article: Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll

“On the contrary, they have assimilated to a great degree.”

If the Muslims in the UK have assimilated to a “great degree,” I’d like to know what not assimilating is. Geez! They want their own laws, they patrol their streets to keep “lewdly” dressed Western women out, they don’t order pints at the pub, they won’t inter-marry unless the spouse changes religion, they don’t date, they have to have their meat slaughtered a certain way, and most think that 7/7 was cooked up by the government.

Does the person who wrote the above understand “assimilate.” Assimilate is what the Japanese, Chinese, Jews, Poles, Italians and Irish did when they came to America. Some of these groups more quickly that others, granted, but they do, generally, date everybody freely, marry everybody freely, don’t have “their” neighborhoods (anymore, generally), they don’t require special aspects for their food (not counting the few Jews who are still kosher) and etc etc etc etc etc.

Why do you identify the way out and then claim there is no way out?

How about loving fathers and mothers that stay in the daughters lives?

Sorry – that was dumb.

The solution is to return them all to their home countries.

“Each human and each community is a product of adaptations to specific circumstances, and what works in one set of circumstances may not work so well in another.”
What means “work well”?
I see it that way: what works really well around the globe is being of subsaharan ancestry, especially westafrican. Those people raise their share of population in many countries, like in the UK, France, Germany, Italy, USA, even China. Everywhere where they live westafrican men are most successful in interracial dating/marriage. Also they are most successful when it comes to violence, I do not know one country where more peoplee with subsaharan african ancestry get killed by people with european or asian ancestry than the other way round.
And being muslim obviously also world quite well, not as well as with people with subsaharan african ancestry but still well. At least muslims are able to raise their share of the population in UK, and also it feels certainly better to be the muslim lover boy than being the white girl working for him.

I think it’s because working class English whites know that they live under under what amounts to a totalitarian anti-white (“cultural marxist”) regime. Leave aside the well-known speech prosecutions, instead recall that, during the 2011 London riots, large numbers of police were rushed away from the riot zone to suppress a crowd of whites who had gathered together to organize defense against any advancing rioters. No such efforts were directed against Sikhs or Hindus or whatever who had done the same.

If humans have not adapted to local circumstances in many different ways with adaptations that involve mental traits with moderate to high heritability, then any problems that immigrants have must be due to the culture of a host society, and any problems fitting into the society that immigrants encounter due to the host societies being racist. And so accepting that humans have not adapted to local circumstances in many different ways with adaptations that involve mental traits with moderate to high heritability, means accepting that the host society will always be the accused and the immigrants the victims.

The only way to refute the accusation is to say that immigrants have different hereditary propensities, but if you do that you are in effect saying the immigrants are not interchangeable with the host population, which is racism. So there is no way out. Even intellectuals who try to speak up for the white working class (30% of the host population) can’t get get round the problem. The victims are the kind of people who might vote for the BNP, and the received wisdom is to get rid of them, by encouraging mixing with the immigrants.

Absolutely true! Much of this behavior is biological. Women will imprint onto manly, sometimes violent, controlling, strong, high testosterone men. It’s very similar to stallions taking mares by force. Or women consorting with invading armies. Stockholm Syndrome a la Patty Hearst and Quanah Parker’s mother, Cynthia. They can kill your entire family and you will still want to have sex with them. There will always be women who are attracted to men who are in power. If your own men have been usurped, you will be drawn to the usurpers.

Clearly, if you read the UK Daily Mail regularly you can see that it is those men of Anglo British descent who are taking an a$$ whooping. Or at least bending over to grab their ankles.

British men have been emasculated. Since the Brits declined to re-elect Churchill, the Anglo male masculinity quotient has declined greatly. Preadolescent and adolescent females, who, despite our society’s desperate attempts to prove otherwise, are capable of great sexual desire and attraction toward males, and especially those with absent fathers, will be drawn to what we call “bad boys”.

Of course leftist and rightist alpha males such as Russell Brand and Clint Eastwood have an interest in maintaining the new status quo. If girls and women went back to keeping their legs closed, and fathers stuck around to protect their daughters again, all men would have to work harder to get sex. Look at Elizabeth Taylor, men used to be willing to marry her to get her. My grandmother had 4 kids and she told me that her second husband married her because he was grateful to get sex and was willing to support all her kids to get it. Withholding sex is a form of power that Western women have given up. But with the advent of universal porn, I doubt we can ever get that cat back in the bag.

I was casting doubt on a sweeping statement made by Mr. Frost, and not making one myself as you seem to imply. Doubtless humans have adapted to local circumstances; otherwise they would have died out or moved to greener pastures. Some of those adaptations may be reflected in the genetic code, but some of those are just passed on as culture from one generation to the next. And humans are a lot more malleable than you seem to allow for, especially young ones.

And by the way, there’s no connexion between internalized guilt and empathy. In fact, internalized guilt (what Freud would have called a strong Uber-Ich) can block empathy.

The followers of Benedict seem to make a quite wide-spread mistake: a typology which collects all “good” traits on one side and all “bad” traits on the other.

To assert that humans have not adapted to local circumstances in many different ways with adaptations that involve mental traits with moderate to high heritability, is a very sweeping statement; but it is the received wisdom among the dominant social class, and you can say it without feeling guilty.

Unconvincing analysis.

Guilt (being punished) is different from shame (being despised). Both can be mere external or internalized. Both can be integrated in an ethnocentric or in an universalist value system.

All that is rather unimportant here. The important difference between Pakistan and England is the change of roles and patterns for men resp. women. That’s a modern development. Five decades ago you would have expected from an English working-class girl to dress modestly and you would not have expected from an English working-class boy to gentlemanly ignore the girl’s immodesty. And as that all is a modern development it’s quite useless to look for differences in long-time demographic stats and to speculate about their impact on genetical differences.

Rb: White girls, especially blonde ones, bring the highest prices in the sex trafficking trade; everyone knows that. As they did in the slave markets of North Africa centuries ago. That is why sex trafficking came to be known as “white slavery.”

Muslim pumps/gangs do go after Muslim girls and girls from other South East Asian communities.

Look up – Unheard Voices by the Asian Women’s Network.

I don’t know what happened to the English, maybe the best of them emigrated or died in their many wars, but they appear to no longer have a backbone.

This is very easy to say. Remember though, the populace is disarmed, though some criminals will have weapons. Obtaining weapons would require having criminal acquaintances. Know also that several fathers did attempt to get their children back, and were arrested for doing so. No policeman was going to have to deal for accusations of racism for performing that arrest. Whereas breaking up some young teenager from her South Asian boyfriend could be seen as racist. Also look at what happened to Nick Griffin for raising this issue. Also remember that it is one, lone parent against a gang, that is probably armed.

The whole situation stinks, and that this sort of treason could be perpetrated against the British population without any proper recourse… the mind boggles. In a healthy society, you wouldn’t even have such immigration policy. But if you did organize some sort of local militia type activity to sort this sort of thing out, it would be ruthlessly crushed. So the only thing that can really happen is the occasional low-probability Breivik event or in the long-term, the public wakes up, public attitudes really turn against PC and eventually the mobs are either let loose or the hierarchy solves the problem.

This article raises one more side of the problem.

The obvious side of the problem is the multi-culti fiasco of “Asians” having, shall we say, somehow conquered the pimping business.

The less obvious side is that of white girls being perfect victims by virtue of certain aspects of modern Western culture. Namely: “Nowadays, there are girls of thirteen or fourteen years old who have already lost their virginity. They go to clubs and discos and stay away from home for a whole weekend. They want to go out, they want new clothes, but they don’t have the money. When a loverboy comes along and the girl spots him and he seems like a nice boy, things happen… Meeting a loverboy is like hitting the jackpot, you know what I mean?’”

When articles say “grooming,” this, unless I am missing something, implies a certain degree of complicity on the part of the girls. Now, it’s a bad thing to blame victims for their misfortune; so let’s just blame the sexual revolution, loose morals, etc etc. One can be against the notion of 13 year old girls living la dolce vita without being that worst of all things in modern culture, a prude. You get the point, I’m sure.

Maybe someone should try to explain to young Western women that if they want: 1) safe enjoyable sex from an early age; 2) the attentions of exotic, handsome, and tough-looking older men; 3) no-strings-attached presents and gifts from such men — well, then these young women are liable to get into trouble.

If “Jersey Shore” behavior is your idea of assimilation, then yes they have assimilated.

The solution is for the white men of the community to drag the Pakistani men into the streets and hang them, burn their houses and drive the rest physically out of the community. Which is precisely what would have happened only 50 years ago in England.

It is quite amazing how a few decades of Cultural Marxist conditioning can make an entire race so demoralized that they are literally suicidal.

It has largely been determined in genetic studies that empathy towards strangers is strictly a Northwestern european genetic trait and that such things cannot be taught. And the evidence in the “field” pretty much confirms it.

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Yes, the whole issue is a messy ball of wax.

Not really.

Not unless you think you can somehow outsmart the hundreds of years of wisdom embodied in the human experience of people not only of like aesthetics but also of like values desiring to live together by compiling and then arranging a bunch of supposed anthropological and sociological tenets on top of one another to come to some theory trumping that wisdom.

And so far all we’ve seen by the wax-makers is the idea that you can introduce people from a radically different culture into another without them making a commitment to assimilate or at least abide by the basic rules of that new culture—whether through desire or need—and things will be hunky-dory.

Really illustrates the supreme insanity of any amnesties for illegal entrants: *By definition* they’ve already demonstrated an unwillingness to abide by the rules of the society they jumped on the back of.

Rather amazing that for all their supposed sophistication that so many academics of the day seem to overlook the validity of the idea that some things are the way they are because of hard-won experience. Instead the prevailing social science idea seems to be that the way things are or have been arises purely by chance, or only via someone’s artificial imposition.

I suppose lots can be traced back to the influence of Boaz, with his student Mead’s incredibly shallow if not consciously deceptive book on Samoa perfectly illustrating the idea that in a state of nature and without that artificial imposition humans just naturally brim over with milk and honey and brotherly love for one another. (Or as one critic put it, the “Blue Lagoon” theory of human nature.)

Fittingly though given the scope of anthropological and sociological work—all humanity—their blunders have been and will continue to be profound.

I think another reason the Muslim pimps don’t go after Muslim girls, is that the girls father or brothers will probably come after them. I don’t know what happened to the English, maybe the best of them emigrated or died in their many wars, but they appear to no longer have a backbone.

Imprisonment of offenders is a start.

If you are searching or “answers” about why what happened in Rotherham happened, then you are probably the only one.

There is no known way to give people a greater capacity for guilt and empathy than what they already have.

You are probably correct, but this only applies to older children and adults, doesn’t it? Are you saying that babies or toddlers raised in different cultures from the ones they were born in do not possess capacities for guilt or empathy (assuming they were born in shame cultures)?

Haven’t people from European shame cultures (southern Italy and Greece for example) properly assimilated into American culture? Haven’t educated immigrants, and especially their children, from Asian countries assimilated well into American culture? The lack of anti-social behavior among these groups indicate that they have similar capacities for guilt and empathy that pedigreed WASPs do.

Also, as far as I know, the guilt-shame dichotomy was just a useful rule-of-the-thumb classification for a range of cultures. It was never meant to suggest that people raised in shame cultures cannot feel guilt. In fact, people in the Middle East and South Asia demonstrably feel guilt in various contexts; it’s just that those contexts may not make sense to modern Westerners. In this very article, you talk about Moroccan pimps avoiding Moroccan girls. But with so much opportunity to “corrupt” Moroccan girls in an anonymous fashion, what stops the pimps from doing so? Probably a good measure of guilt. another example: what kept the rigid caste system going for millenia in South Asia? Feelings of guilt and disgust at ritual pollution that was inculcated into people when they were kids.