Btw, non UK users here, would be genuinely super helpful if you could boost posts relating to the far right violence happening and also counter protests. A lot of UK users don’t really follow each other, and also it just helps to increase the chance of people who could go to counter protests seeing posts about what’s happening when. I know posts about our politics; and non USAmerican politics really; don’t get a lot of traction on here, but like despite the UScentrism of the English speaking user base it’s really helpful and beneficial to share these things. The situation is likely downright horrifying to those being targeted right now and it really should be a priority for us to go out and counter this to the best of our abilities

Realised since this is getting notes I might do well to summarise briefly what’s happening. 3am for me so don’t just take this post as your only research please ! Have a read of the news too

On Monday the 29th of July, someone went with a knife and violently attacked and killed 3 children in a dance class in Southport, near the northern city Liverpool.

Online misinformation rapidly spread by racists and nationalists, and a local mosque alongside Muslims generally were (very incorrectly!) blamed for this horrific attack. A ‘protest’ for ‘justice’ was planned by the far right that quickly escalated into a violent riot on the 30th. This riot occupied a local mosque and was aimed heavily at threatening the local Muslim community.

Since then over 35 violent riots have occurred in various UK cities between Friday the 2nd and Sunday the 4th, all organised by the far right and targeting immigrants, Muslims, and people of colour. The UK right has had a sharp rise in blaming these groups for our issues, prioritising British nationalism (see: white supremacy) and encouraging violence to those they see as a threat to it. This violence isn’t me being hyperbolic, the most horrific example I have seen so far is a hotel housing asylum seekers being set ablaze with people still inside. A second hotel has now been surrounded by far right scum in Tamworth, again set alight with people inside (in the early hours of the morning)

These riots have already injured people and have potentially already killed. The safety of many people in this country is heavily at risk. We need to be talking about this, I can’t state that enough. Calling these pogroms is not incorrect by any means. Over 50 planned protests have been found in the next few weeks too. We need international outrage and concern, and for those in the UK we need to talk about this to one another, warn those in our community who may be at risk, and whenever possible, counter protest. The counter protest work done already has clearly scared a lot of fascists, we need to let them know their racism is not tolerated.

The sites I’ve been using to keep track of protests are standuptoracism and hope not hate, however I’d recommend checking your city/counties ANTIFA group, and looking at international ANTIFA. Anyone with good suggestions for keeping track of these planned riots please add on.

If you're in North London we'll need lots to come out on Wednesday night in Islington, don't let these rat bastards win a fucking thing

thanks to all those that came out, the fascists were tol cowardly to show their pathetic hides

maybe 5,000 in attendance, hoping it's going well in the north as well comrades, keep showing up and keep fighting until the attacks are over

while obviously i understand that the far right ARE encouraging people from around the UK to descend on certain areas i think white people have to also understand that just saying "this doesnt represent us" and focusing on community cleanup in the aftermath (which is a very good thing we should be celebrating!!!!!) are completely avoiding any accountability or pressure to actually fight this. YOU need to be outwardly against the fash. YOU need to be out there and counterprotesting. YOU cannot sit idly by and wait for things to calm down before acting. obviously certain individuals will have their reasons but if you do not start actively applying pressure to the far right that exist in YOUR community then this is just going to keep spiralling out of control and getting more and more violent. we have to kill this now while we still can.

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Btw, non UK users here, would be genuinely super helpful if you could boost posts relating to the far right violence happening and also counter protests. A lot of UK users don’t really follow each other, and also it just helps to increase the chance of people who could go to counter protests seeing posts about what’s happening when. I know posts about our politics; and non USAmerican politics really; don’t get a lot of traction on here, but like despite the UScentrism of the English speaking user base it’s really helpful and beneficial to share these things. The situation is likely downright horrifying to those being targeted right now and it really should be a priority for us to go out and counter this to the best of our abilities

Realised since this is getting notes I might do well to summarise briefly what’s happening. 3am for me so don’t just take this post as your only research please ! Have a read of the news too

On Monday the 29th of July, someone went with a knife and violently attacked and killed 3 children in a dance class in Southport, near the northern city Liverpool.

Online misinformation rapidly spread by racists and nationalists, and a local mosque alongside Muslims generally were (very incorrectly!) blamed for this horrific attack. A ‘protest’ for ‘justice’ was planned by the far right that quickly escalated into a violent riot on the 30th. This riot occupied a local mosque and was aimed heavily at threatening the local Muslim community.

Since then over 35 violent riots have occurred in various UK cities between Friday the 2nd and Sunday the 4th, all organised by the far right and targeting immigrants, Muslims, and people of colour. The UK right has had a sharp rise in blaming these groups for our issues, prioritising British nationalism (see: white supremacy) and encouraging violence to those they see as a threat to it. This violence isn’t me being hyperbolic, the most horrific example I have seen so far is a hotel housing asylum seekers being set ablaze with people still inside. A second hotel has now been surrounded by far right scum in Tamworth, again set alight with people inside (in the early hours of the morning)

These riots have already injured people and have potentially already killed. The safety of many people in this country is heavily at risk. We need to be talking about this, I can’t state that enough. Calling these pogroms is not incorrect by any means. Over 50 planned protests have been found in the next few weeks too. We need international outrage and concern, and for those in the UK we need to talk about this to one another, warn those in our community who may be at risk, and whenever possible, counter protest. The counter protest work done already has clearly scared a lot of fascists, we need to let them know their racism is not tolerated.

The sites I’ve been using to keep track of protests are standuptoracism and hope not hate, however I’d recommend checking your city/counties ANTIFA group, and looking at international ANTIFA. Anyone with good suggestions for keeping track of these planned riots please add on.

If you're in North London we'll need lots to come out on Wednesday night in Islington, don't let these rat bastards win a fucking thing

Important post

I was getting suspicions but now I'm very 100% sure that most of this website's userbase hates Palestinians and not passively. I'm now fully 100% comprehending that the vast majority of this website's userbase passes by any mention of Palestinians and seethes to their core and the only reason little of it came out was because you thought there might be social repercussions for attacking Palestinians in our time of need. All it took was an easily debunkable false accusation to get people to attack people undergoing genocide as well as a genocide survivor, and now he's been stopped from doing the work he has spent months doing. I will not allow this experience to go undocumented or forgotten. Those who partook in the harassment know what they've done and the unspeakable repurcussions of it. I expected this honestly, because that is exactly what happened to BLM and other Black rights activists since 2014; a cycle of unbelievable praise before horrendous abuse and harassment once they stopped being deified. I also saw the way people treated Moataz Azaiza after he evacuated Ghazzah, and expected the same to happen to Ahmed, who also survived unspeakable things for months in an accelerated genocide, and got harassed and attacked by the THOUSANDS on tumblr after this harassment campaign was put out. I will not forgive any one involved, especially not for what they've done to Ahmed.

Here's a collection of links to posts about the issue in the past couple of days, in chronological order I think. And under the cut will be screenshots of the initial post that I saw that brought this to my attention.

[Post 1] [Post 2] [Post 3] [Post 4] [Post 5]

[Post 6] [Post 7] [Post 8] [Post 9] [Post 10]

[Post 11] [Post 12] Edit: forgot one [Post 13].

These links are absolutely non-exhaustive and there's more shit these people have said that I don't have the patience to go collect and link here.

If you have ever benefitted from my or another Palestinian blogger's posts, especially but not limited to my and nabulsi's vetted fundraiser list, reblog this post. The baseless accusations got thousands of notes, and the damage will not be undone if this doesn't reach the people who got misinformed.

Kind of important post?

There's this cracker that's apparently really hellbent on accusing most Palestinian gofundmes of being scams, especially the ones verified on my and nabulsi's list, while also shading me implying I expect people to believe me wholeheartedly, which I've made several posts about the contrary. I ask every one of you to exercise critical thinking, and my list is a tool for that critical thinking, not a replacement for it. We have also always made it clear we are not infallible. This is a lot of work for 2 people to do and sometimes miscommunication or misunderstandings happen, which I admit did happen when we discussed Basel Ayyad's blog being suspicious! But this person's accusations go far beyond making mistakes.

You almost absolutely cannot set your fundraiser location to 'Gaza', it's very rare and only happens in instances where the Ghazzan in question has some kind of U.S. bank account based in Ghazzah for some reasons like being an exchange student or something like that. Shahed, the girl whose fundraiser is being mocked below, was verified by my friend nabulsi by verifying her national ID and photographic proof of current presence in Ghazzah, which was cross verified with her personal Instagram having a presence in Ghazzah long before Oct 7, 2023. Nearly every Palestinian in Ghazzah that has a legitimate fundraiser needs a beneficiary external to Ghazzah because GFM doesn't operate there, and everyone except this racist piece of shit understands that. Oftentimes, the fundraiser holders are diaspora Palestinians themselves, hence Arab names located in Europe or the U.S. or Canada. I've verified fundraisers for 2 Palestinian families that were being held by the same American individual, because people who do this are few and far in between and the people who do it end up being referred to from one Ghazzan to another. This is something I discussed with my friend Mohammed El Shaer as well, who has a fundraiser for his family organized by a woman whose name I saw under another fundraiser I helped verify.

In the end, I agree with this person on one thing. Do what you want with your money. But we are taking the effort to help you figure out where you can send it, what your options are, and they are a more direct means to help the people who need it. That doesn't mean you're under obligation to.

There's also a difference between, scrutiny, criticism, and outright defamation and baseless accusations - which is what this person's actions has encouraged their followers to put out.

To be clear this is one of their followers, not the person in question:

And here's the person in question:

Apparently they believe Ashraf and Heba Alanqar are the same person, you know, a man and a woman, located in two different cities. Your racism is making you ignorant enough to think you know more than Palestinians do about our own conditions and the conditions of the people we speak to in Arabic it seems.

Anyways, if you have any questions or concerns about specific fundraisers - which I expect you to be cordial in your communication about - I'll be opening my inbox back up soon after I setup something with my on-the-ground fundraiser verifier.

[Photo ID] From interview with Palestinian lawyer Fadi Bakr, who was detained by the IDF at the Sde Teiman torture camp for forty days:

Fadi (also interviewed by Middle East Eye) also recounted in detail his torture, of which he said "the lightest and most preferable" was the cigarettes put on on his body, but also included medical neglect, starvation, surgery without anesthesia, beatings, a "disco room" where they played music so loudly his ears bled, and being forced to witness a fellow prisoner being raped by a dog. He was contacted after release and told not to submit complaints about his treatment (particularly to the media) by the IDF soldiers.

I don't really share hate often and even still I deleted a lot, but I know I posted a lot today. I'll probably just be deleting them again going forward.

I just wanted y'all to know what fighting white supremacy looks like. What poc go through every single election that we decide to advocate for ourselves. What it looks like when the people fighting you don't even really understand what they're fighting for or what they're asking you to do.

That the people who fight us often have queer flags and the Palestine flag in their bios and "dni: racist, nazist, TERFs, etc" in their bios. They're people who think they're allies and don't even understand how they're being harmful and upholding white supremacy. They're people who even as they ignore us still see themselves as people who listen to poc and are our allies.

And the people who messaged me all that stuff today are only the people who messaged me. And I'm a big blog. Not only that but my blog is for politics. I signed up for this knowing that being attacked would be part of my experience.

I really, really, really need you to listen to me and reread this post as many times as you need to.

The people attacking me weren't Republicans. They weren't Trump supporters. They probably weren't Russian psyops either.

They were Democrats living in the USA. And they were attacking me for not voluntarily electing a war criminal. On purpose. Literally dogpiling a native for not wanting to participate in a genocide.

These are facts.

And lot of people in the tags today did not sign up for that and their inboxes will have looked a lot like mine if not worse.

And most people criticizing Biden and Democrats are in fact...poc. It's systemic racism. Plain and simple.

This is the average Tumblr experience for us.

I'd even go so far as to say that about half of our interaction with people goes this way even outside of Tumblr.

We don't hang out in conservative areas.

So how it possible that conservatives are the only ones ignoring us? And if liberals listened to us, why are we having to fight with them to be heard?

I'm very, very grateful to those of you who messaged me with cute pictures or support amongst the chaos; instead of unfollowing or adding onto the hate. I'm grateful to those of you that took time to reblog and help tear them apart or added an article that helped validate something I said.

We need 1000x more of that, desperately. We need more allies, more people willing to speak up and reach out and let us know they have our back. We need people to actually have our back and listen to us. If you see a racist take, make sure it doesn't stay up. If you see a Black trans woman getting harassed then help her. If there's a protest for Palestine near you, go.

Performative allyship is so loud, I need the rest of y'all to be louder.

Make racists afraid again

Tags from my lovely mutual @hussyknee

I need you to grasp this. We're suicidal. I'm glad democrats and libs and white people feel safe standing behind Kamala, I'm glad you feel like you have someone who'd be there to protect you from project 2025.

I don't. Lots of us don't. Not only that, but we haven't ever had anyone to protect us in the USA. And after spending the last year telling us we need to vote Biden to protect you and the world from project 2025 you just turn on us and send us messages like the ones in my original post?

Like this?

This is a thinly veiled white supremacist threat being used against me by a so-called liberal. This is a fellow queer person with "no TERFs" and watermelon emojis in their bio who's weaponizing my oppression to convince me to vote against my best interests.

The party that has constantly critiqued queer Republicans and pro-life women as people for supporting "the leopards eating faces party" now expects me to do the same.

What does that make them?

What would that make me if I listened?

Nobody with white privilege knows discomfort like we do. They never will and they are lucky for it. Even still, so many white people are cowering behind Kamala over mere descriptions of project 2025.

The things listed there are already happening to poc in the USA, queer people in Florida, anyone in Palestine, Sudan, and DRC, and anyone in the global south. So project 2025 is already a reality as far as I'm concerned.

But selfish white people are hiding behind Kamala while we are being left the wolves as they approach. Not only that but those racists are telling us we'll deserve what happens when the wolves get here. Yet somehow they're also trying to convince us things aren't bad enough for them to do something besides vote.

Do they think we're stupid?

This behavior; The fear, the willingness to let us die 500 years later, the insult to injury....

That's what's killing us and making us suicidal. And it's what's gonna cause Dems to lose.

You don't get solidarity without giving any and we've waited plenty long enough. Some of us are entirely giving up hope not just for a better future, but for the end of racism, on equality, on white people, on allies. Completely.

I get it. Can you blame us? Like what the fuck do you mean I fought for my whole life just to have some piccrew user who's never heard of Angela Davis tell me that my oppression isn't bad enough to address, but the oppression they MIGHT experience IF Trump wins, is definitely worth abusing & oppressing me over?

Racist liberals did everything but load the gun themselves.

And if you are a white liberal who's upheld any of this I want you to know that. There is blood on your hands and no amount of fear or self-preservation will justify it.

And if you're not one of those racist white people then please go out of your way to love & support the poc in your life right now. The last 48 hours have been fucking awful with how fast people stopped pretending to care about us. We always knew our care was never more than a talking point but liberals and so-called allies have gone completely mask off so quickly that I'm still in shock and trying to figure out the new political landscape I have to work in.

I almost forgot to add the poem hussyknee mentioned

I remain very uncertain that replacing Biden is the best move, so I hope all of the people who are very confident that it is turn out to be right.

nope, it's bad.

you know when a corporation does something really fucked up but they don't want to actually change anything, they just fire the CEO as a sacrificial lamb and keep doing the same shit? that's what happened with the dem nomination and palestine. instead of changing policy based on widespread demands of their voterbase, they waited until 4 months before the election to announce a new candidate who's just as disliked and is still not planning to address or resolve the primary cause of disapproval.

to guarantee good turnout, they needed to change palestine policy, the primary cause of biden's disapproval ratings among his support base (before it was co-opted by the right and turned into questions of cognitive fitness). biden could have heel-turned on the genocide at any point and killed dissension among his ranks, but he didn't because US interests are too tied to israel's acquisition and ongoing control over palestinian territory. so they fired the CEO in the hope we'd take the consolation prize and shut up. which we won't. because it's a fucking genocide. so it's not like it actually improved their election outcomes.

if this gives the election to trump and people blame the voters instead of dnc incompetency, i'm going to scream. they thought the specter of the orange fascist would scare people into ignoring continuous monetary and weapons support for a genocide, we've been screaming for months that that's the dumbest, riskiest, least rewarding, and most morally harrowing bet possible to take out of the situation and will not win them votes, and still. here we are. 4 months out from the election with all of the same problems + one more. it's almost like routinely ignoring your voterbase in order to generate more viral images of mutilated children is kind of a bad fucking idea and can't be freed of consequences no matter how scary the other guy is. like if you're relying on people to side with you against the other guy specifically because he's a fascist, it might be hard to keep their support if you also start supporting the most extreme manifestation of fascism: a genocide.

par for the course, the democrats solved none of their problems and manufactured a new one.

one: presidents actually exert enormous personal influence over foreign policy. not the democratic party. the idea that this is just a symbolic change is weird, unless harris's palestine policy is actually identical to biden's (i have no idea what kamala harris thinks of the israel-palestine conflict).

two: this assertion:

is flat out wrong. the opinion of democratic politicians and voters on i-p has been pretty divided. doing a 180 on i-p would have just had a different half of the party mad at him (i think he should have done it, but i don't have any illusions of what the consequences would have been). but polls have also clearly shown than i-p is not at the top of most voters' minds. biden's personal approval ratings have been low and holding steady since long before oct 7, and trump's lead in the polls has been due to other factors like trump's personal popularity. (the polls have been weird this cycle, but if were are talking about polling, that is what the polls show: trump has been ahead because people like trump, not because people are pissed at biden over i-p.)

i do not think you actually have a very good understanding of how the i-p conflict at the moment relates to the presidential campaign. sorry! i wish more americans did care about it, but if they did 1) dumping biden is absolutely the right move (yes, "biden is bad but trump is worse" should convince you--because trump has explicitly said he will be worse on this issue, that's not dem fearmongering, that's just a bald assessment of the facts), and 2) who is president is not a cosmetic difference when it comes to foreign policy. quite the opposite actually.

kamala harris actually seems to be much more pro-palestinian than biden, which suggests a harris presidency might look significantly different from a biden presidency on this particular issue.

it took me about fifteen seconds of googling to figure that out. you know how i know a lot of people on this godforsaken website don't care about solutions, they just wanna be mad? because it would have taken the person replying to my post above an equal amount of effort to also figure that out. and when confronted with a real, substantive choice--now not just between biden and trump on this issue (which is still a pretty stark choice!) but between harris and trump, which is an even more significant divide, they don't give a shit. they just want to throw rocks. they just want to be Outraged. they don't want to think substantively about how u.s. foreign policy works or who actually controls it (mostly the president! congress can exert more influence than it does but has largely abdicated its powers to the presidency for various historical/political reasons). they have already decided nothing can ever be different or better because that would imply that they maybe just bear a little bit of moral responsibility for their inane both-sidesism.

I know I'm being peevish and uncharitable, but my god. We just spent the last ten months being lectured about how it's actually morally obligatory not to vote for Biden because of his stance toward Israel, even if it meant letting Trump back into the White House, and now that Biden has explicitly stated he's dropping out of the race, and someone who by all accounts seems like they have a real shot at having a better policy on this front is likely to be the nominee in his stead, people are coming up with excuses as to why you can't and shouldn't vote for any other Democrat, either. I'm starting to think you actually just want Donald Trump to be president!

time for another lecture: Kamala has a terrible record on Palestine, and whatever ovations she has made towards cooling the current ongoing genocide should be suspiciously interrogated before there are any victory laps here about any change in US foreign policy. Here's a good piece on her personal actual history:

Words mean absolutely nothing, and they have from every US head of state, certainly since I have been alive. The position Harris is in demands more than just promises: if she is actually against the ongoing ethnic cleansing of the Gaza strip (and not to forget escalating evictions, brutality and killings in the West Bank), while she holds the second most powerful position in the country, we should expect action from her BEFORE rather than after the election. If she cared to change America's relationship with Israel she would have to prove she has both the will and the competency to do so. Biden is clearly doing little governing right now, so this would amount to her having to overcome the Biden staffers that are currently running the show.

There is no denying that there is an ongoing genocide being carried out with American weapons, personnel, financial support, and explicit global permissions via veto powers through all avenues of "international law" (a laughable concept in reality but it's what exists right now) plus the US' position on the UN security council. If you are willing to imagine Harris' historical positions rather than read about her actual policy outputs over the course of her political career, then it seems you might care about having a democrat in the white house more than you do opposing a genocide being carried out by your country with your taxes in your name. Pretty gross moral calculation!

I care about Palestinians being killed, which is why I think Donald Trump would be a really bad president! If you are indifferent to who wins the election, you do not actually care about Palestinian lives, because Trump would be significantly worse for Palestinians than Harris.

I am interested in actual human lives, not endless critiques of power and being able to feel morally pure in my politics.

RE: Your comment about feeling "morally pure"

This is not some minor disagreement about policy. This is a literal genocide. If you can't understand that the same people who opposed Biden's support for a genocide aren't going to vote for someone with an identical worldview, then you're just completely lost.

If you're interested in actual human lives, then you couldn't possibly support someone like Harris.

I will take this one step further and say that there would be a justification to support her run for the presidency if she did in fact make ANY movement towards even a cease fire at this point (which to be clear, is a MASSIVE compromise - it would be akin to agreeing to a cease fire with Nazi Germany in late 1944). If I were an American I would only vote for a party that would bilaterally cut off arms trading with the zionist entity, but hey, it's nothing I can vote on.

The fact that it seems like "purity politics" to try and calculate the acceptable level of mass human extinction Americans are willing to engage with politically speaks to how utterly powerless and non existent left wing power is in the US right now. If you call yourself a leftist the same way I do, the first step is coming to terms with the fact that the 2024 election has two extraordinarily right wing parties running this year; the democrats ARE the Israel party, and it also makes them the genocide party. If you do not oppose them when they continue to commit resources and personnel to an ongoing purposeful slaughter of a specific ethnic group you are a genocide apologist, it's that simple!

I remain very uncertain that replacing Biden is the best move, so I hope all of the people who are very confident that it is turn out to be right.

nope, it's bad.

you know when a corporation does something really fucked up but they don't want to actually change anything, they just fire the CEO as a sacrificial lamb and keep doing the same shit? that's what happened with the dem nomination and palestine. instead of changing policy based on widespread demands of their voterbase, they waited until 4 months before the election to announce a new candidate who's just as disliked and is still not planning to address or resolve the primary cause of disapproval.

to guarantee good turnout, they needed to change palestine policy, the primary cause of biden's disapproval ratings among his support base (before it was co-opted by the right and turned into questions of cognitive fitness). biden could have heel-turned on the genocide at any point and killed dissension among his ranks, but he didn't because US interests are too tied to israel's acquisition and ongoing control over palestinian territory. so they fired the CEO in the hope we'd take the consolation prize and shut up. which we won't. because it's a fucking genocide. so it's not like it actually improved their election outcomes.

if this gives the election to trump and people blame the voters instead of dnc incompetency, i'm going to scream. they thought the specter of the orange fascist would scare people into ignoring continuous monetary and weapons support for a genocide, we've been screaming for months that that's the dumbest, riskiest, least rewarding, and most morally harrowing bet possible to take out of the situation and will not win them votes, and still. here we are. 4 months out from the election with all of the same problems + one more. it's almost like routinely ignoring your voterbase in order to generate more viral images of mutilated children is kind of a bad fucking idea and can't be freed of consequences no matter how scary the other guy is. like if you're relying on people to side with you against the other guy specifically because he's a fascist, it might be hard to keep their support if you also start supporting the most extreme manifestation of fascism: a genocide.

par for the course, the democrats solved none of their problems and manufactured a new one.

one: presidents actually exert enormous personal influence over foreign policy. not the democratic party. the idea that this is just a symbolic change is weird, unless harris's palestine policy is actually identical to biden's (i have no idea what kamala harris thinks of the israel-palestine conflict).

two: this assertion:

is flat out wrong. the opinion of democratic politicians and voters on i-p has been pretty divided. doing a 180 on i-p would have just had a different half of the party mad at him (i think he should have done it, but i don't have any illusions of what the consequences would have been). but polls have also clearly shown than i-p is not at the top of most voters' minds. biden's personal approval ratings have been low and holding steady since long before oct 7, and trump's lead in the polls has been due to other factors like trump's personal popularity. (the polls have been weird this cycle, but if were are talking about polling, that is what the polls show: trump has been ahead because people like trump, not because people are pissed at biden over i-p.)

i do not think you actually have a very good understanding of how the i-p conflict at the moment relates to the presidential campaign. sorry! i wish more americans did care about it, but if they did 1) dumping biden is absolutely the right move (yes, "biden is bad but trump is worse" should convince you--because trump has explicitly said he will be worse on this issue, that's not dem fearmongering, that's just a bald assessment of the facts), and 2) who is president is not a cosmetic difference when it comes to foreign policy. quite the opposite actually.

kamala harris actually seems to be much more pro-palestinian than biden, which suggests a harris presidency might look significantly different from a biden presidency on this particular issue.

it took me about fifteen seconds of googling to figure that out. you know how i know a lot of people on this godforsaken website don't care about solutions, they just wanna be mad? because it would have taken the person replying to my post above an equal amount of effort to also figure that out. and when confronted with a real, substantive choice--now not just between biden and trump on this issue (which is still a pretty stark choice!) but between harris and trump, which is an even more significant divide, they don't give a shit. they just want to throw rocks. they just want to be Outraged. they don't want to think substantively about how u.s. foreign policy works or who actually controls it (mostly the president! congress can exert more influence than it does but has largely abdicated its powers to the presidency for various historical/political reasons). they have already decided nothing can ever be different or better because that would imply that they maybe just bear a little bit of moral responsibility for their inane both-sidesism.

I know I'm being peevish and uncharitable, but my god. We just spent the last ten months being lectured about how it's actually morally obligatory not to vote for Biden because of his stance toward Israel, even if it meant letting Trump back into the White House, and now that Biden has explicitly stated he's dropping out of the race, and someone who by all accounts seems like they have a real shot at having a better policy on this front is likely to be the nominee in his stead, people are coming up with excuses as to why you can't and shouldn't vote for any other Democrat, either. I'm starting to think you actually just want Donald Trump to be president!

time for another lecture: Kamala has a terrible record on Palestine, and whatever ovations she has made towards cooling the current ongoing genocide should be suspiciously interrogated before there are any victory laps here about any change in US foreign policy. Here's a good piece on her personal actual history:

Words mean absolutely nothing, and they have from every US head of state, certainly since I have been alive. The position Harris is in demands more than just promises: if she is actually against the ongoing ethnic cleansing of the Gaza strip (and not to forget escalating evictions, brutality and killings in the West Bank), while she holds the second most powerful position in the country, we should expect action from her BEFORE rather than after the election. If she cared to change America's relationship with Israel she would have to prove she has both the will and the competency to do so. Biden is clearly doing little governing right now, so this would amount to her having to overcome the Biden staffers that are currently running the show.

There is no denying that there is an ongoing genocide being carried out with American weapons, personnel, financial support, and explicit global permissions via veto powers through all avenues of "international law" (a laughable concept in reality but it's what exists right now) plus the US' position on the UN security council. If you are willing to imagine Harris' historical positions rather than read about her actual policy outputs over the course of her political career, then it seems you might care about having a democrat in the white house more than you do opposing a genocide being carried out by your country with your taxes in your name. Pretty gross moral calculation!