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Autodescription — Alexander the Great (Q8409)
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@Jahl de Vautban: I removed country of citizenship (P27), because the only source was English Wikipedia. However, the article en:Alexander the Great doesn't state this information. Also, another user in Ukrainian Wikipedia states that country of citizenship (P27) didn't exist at that time in Macedonia (Q83958) at all. Unfortunately that user don't have time to talk here. That's why I think it's better to remove (or at least deprecate) this statement, because there's no proof for it. --Kanzat (talk) 11:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Hi @Kanzat: arguably stating country of citizenship (P27) for anyone who lived in Antiquity is perhaps using a modern concept that didn't quite existed at that time, especially for such states which weren't polis (Q148837). Nevertheless Alexander the Great (Q8409) was list of ancient Macedonians (Q622602), so he is de jure a citizen (whatever this concept could mean in Antiquity) of Macedonia (Q83958). I'm noticing the participants of WikiProjet Ancient Greece in case anyone would like to add something. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 11:51, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Ancient Greece
While nationality is a modern concept, the concept of citizenship (here in question) begun in the early city-states of ancient Greece. Greek states were giving specific rights to their own citizens (f.e. the right to vote) over resident foreigners, and sometimes they would protect their rights and interests while abroad. Of course that is not a fact for all people and not all states/countries. Whatever the label of country of citizenship (P27) in each language is, the main concept is "the person was subject of (country)" which covers all types of relations, whether the person was a citizen with rights or no rights, a woman, a child, a royal, or slave. --Geraki (talk) 12:16, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
The belonging to a state is a concept that fit people since the aera of history begun. So ofcourse Alexander was citizen of ancient kingdom of macedonia. Especially the greek city states were very aware of their citizenships. Wew know a lot of legal issues depending these themes. For example, Athenians were only allowed to marry athenian citiziens. Citizenships was very important. Without a citizienship you were a stranger without any political power. Like a child. -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 12:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree with the reasoning of @Jahl de Vautban:. --Epìdosis 19:06, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- This interpretation of citizenship in ancient polises (and other city-states) is more or less acceptable. But I think this is unacceptable for authoritarian states.--SitizenX (talk) 07:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)